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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:01 PM
Woody, the original painting doesn't have much in the way of markings. What sort of markings will you use?
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Posted by Woody on Friday, March 18, 2005 6:04 AM
Starship Modeler is working up the decals. I have sent a couple suggestions to John so we'll have to see what he decides. I recommended that we use these names and reg numbers; USS Moscow NCC-1357, USS Tehran NCC-1371, and USS Republic NCC-1378. Masao do you have any suggestions for markings?

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 18, 2005 6:23 AM
Nice work, Woody.
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Posted by Woody on Friday, March 18, 2005 6:25 AM
Thank you Jason!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 18, 2005 6:31 PM
Markings: I'd suggest using either the TOS-style pennants or the pennants I designed for my USS Swordfish, Lancaster, and Paris, which is based on the command star.
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:17 AM
Masao I suggested a stripe like this. Forgive the crude look I whipped it up in "Paint" and heaven knows I'm nobodies CG artist.Big Smile [:D]

I also suggested to John a layout similair to that of your Avenger.

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:51 AM
but if I remember correctly wasn't it starfleet policy at the time to give each ship a different badge and stripe design to set each ship appart from the other due to them litterally looking alike.

hmmmmmmmm that pennant you designed looks similar to the pennant on the Constellation.

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Posted by Woody on Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:29 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

but if I remember correctly wasn't it starfleet policy at the time to give each ship a different badge and stripe design to set each ship appart from the other due to them litterally looking alike.

Remember this ship was around long before the Constellations. I personally believe that the policy of different ship symbols had yet to be used. We know the Daedalus class used a simple three line stripe and The Baton Rouge falls between those two eras.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

hmmmmmmmm that pennant you designed looks similar to the pennant on the Constellation.

Yes, it is by design. I wanted to combine the tri-stripe of the daedalus era with that of the Enterprise's, but do you like it?

By the way if anyone has an idea about what markings this ship should carry, I'd love to see them. Masao? Hmmmm?Wink [;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

but if I remember correctly wasn't it starfleet policy at the time to give each ship a different badge and stripe design to set each ship appart from the other due to them litterally looking alike.


I don't think so. The only ships of that era we've seen on screen are Enterprise, Constellation (using an AMT model of Enterprise), and Daedalus (as a small model in Sisko's office). The TOS era ships used the same pennants, while Daedalus used a three stripe arrangement. In my ship schematics, I used the Daedalus pennants for the oldest ships, Enterprise-style strips for the more recent ones, and a modified command star for the middle ones. I didn't think that Starfleet would change markings very often, so three in 100 years seemed like plenty.
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Posted by Woody on Friday, March 25, 2005 1:39 PM
I've started building my Baton Rouge again. I hope to have some more pics up soon.Wink [;)]

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Posted by Woody on Friday, April 15, 2005 6:22 AM
I have most parts ready for assembly except for the saucer. I have to repair the saucer mold but that should be a quick and easy fix. I hope to have pics of my progress posted tonight or later this weekend. I also received an email from the caster who is doing the castings for my kit. He said they looked very good and will be starting on casting the parts soon.

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Posted by Woody on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:14 PM
A quick update. I just pulled my second saucer casting from the mold. The first one is deformed due to the resin expanding and causing a bulge. I cut a couple plywood squares to clamp on the outside of the mold to prevent the problem. The second casting is real nice. That means all the major parts are there and I can start on building a real model of the Baton Rouge class. Expect pictures soon. Wink [;)]

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:53 AM
Masao you forgot about the defiant and also the battle damaged studio model of a first pilot Enterprise used to represent the Constellation.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:23 PM
I mentioned Constellation. Forgot Defiant, but that was just the Enterprise model with some green fuzz. We both forgot Exeter, but that was Enterprise too. Anyway, all had identical pennants.
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Posted by Woody on Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:07 AM
What were the four ships in the M5 war games?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:39 PM
Excalibur, Lexington, Hood, Potemkin. But, they're all the same Enterprise model.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:57 PM
I strongly agree that Masao's pennet & emblem designs be used. He has done an incredible job of designing Starfleet and enemy ships of earlier periods in a consistent and original manner that complement the designs of th Original Series. I have recalibrated the Spaceflight Chronology timeline to put it in line with more recent developments in Star Trek Chronology, and the Baton Rouge class ends up having been launched about the same time as Masao's Valley Forge class.

http://www.starfleet-museum.org/valleyforge.htm

While that ship looks somewhat different in design, the overall volume of the Baton Rouge is about twice that of the Valley Forge, so it would play the role of a Battleship (which would euphamistically be called a Heavy Explorer by the Federation). So, one would not be suprised by differences in engine design required to move a much larger vessel, one who's design origins probably date back a decade before launch. The mass from the Spaceflight Chronology has to be corrected up to 277,500 MT to come in line with Masao's designs, such as his Siegfried Class Dreadnought.

Star Fleet Battles has the following registries for refitted Republic Class vessels (they may have a more detailed list in their "The Early Years" expansion product, which I do not have yet).

NCC-1371 Republic
NCC-1372 Reshadije
NCC-1373 Ramilles

http://www.starfleetstore.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=5623

While your design departs from the fan designs that came before for the missing secondary hull details, fan based Treknology, and more professional resources are now pointing towards the class receiving multiple large scale upgrades through the years. I have it in service from 2226-2266, though these dates may change by a year or so in the upcoming revision. The Republic Class appears to have been a somewhat later related design to which the Baton Rouge Class was uprated, so if you are concerned about copyright issues, that class is an option.

http://www.starfleetstore.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=5724

As to whether the Constellation class predates this class, it can go either way, either the Federation allocated blocks of registry numbers to certain types of ships, the designs of which might not be built for many decades, or the Constellation and sister ships were major refits of vessels that predate the Reuplic Class. SFB has the names of some converted Constellation Class vessels as well (which might also have been expanded upon in "The Early Years" expansion:

NCC-1017 Constellation
NCC-1018 Goeben
NCC-1019 Eximer

The Defiant was on my list as well (1016), but Enterprise has pre-empted that registry, at least for the TOS era ship, though the registry could be used for an earlier ship. Presumably, these were all originally Horizon Class vessels (NCC-1000, as provided in other Treknology sources).

Getting back to the model at hand, it is a really beautiful piece of work and you are a master of the craft. Please keep posting on your progress. Congratulations and good luck.
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Posted by SNOOPY on Friday, October 14, 2005 12:17 PM
Forgive my ignorance here but I am some what getting lost. I do not play the games but I do read the novels and watch all tv series. What I am babelling about is the Federation was not around that long before the TOS series started. I think it was approximately 200 years from the time Cochorane developed his warp drive engine (please correct me if I am wrong) In the episode when Kirk meets Cochorane, isn't Cochorane little over a hunderd years old? Also, with Khan, did not they say they were from the Genetics Wars, only a hundred and something years before? Like I said if I am wrong, pardone the ignorance. I am just wondering if my timelines are close, would the patterns of stripes and symbols be pretty close. It is kind of like the different blues and grays and greens of our military. Some don't change at all and other just get a slight change in shading of the colors. Woody, what ever the decals will be, they will be like all star Trek ships. A little uniqueness is good. I believe that there really is no right or wrong:) Woody this is a very nice looking ship. Do do some of the best work around. I cannot wait to see the next group build for ST models.
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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Friday, October 14, 2005 12:41 PM
Think in terms of what has changed in 100 years of US Naval history. Really a lot! Uniforms, insignia, things change drastically in a 100 year stretch of time.

These changes reflect the changes in styles and fashions as much as anything.

Compare army uniforms and insignia over the last 100 years. Styles, colors, shapes, all have made considerable changes in all branches of the service. Likewise navy ship markings, etc. differ over time.

So, it would follow suit with the change in Star Trek history. As ship designs change and evolve, the eye of the military and government leaders would likewise want to develop new images to match.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 6, 2005 10:25 PM
This beautiful kit is now available in the Starship Modeler store.

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/cfstore/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=516

Happy shopping!

Linda
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Posted by Griffworks on Tuesday, November 8, 2005 10:37 AM

Woo  Hoo!  Prolly have to wait 'til after Christmas now, but I'm definitely gonna pick one up!  Got to see this kit at WonderFest this year, as well as had the honor of meeting Woody there.  Great guy and awesome lookin' kit! 

 

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Posted by Prince of Styrene II on Wednesday, November 9, 2005 8:40 PM

Ditto on that!  Man, I've been waiting a long time for this one!  Thanks for your time, Woody!

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:12 PM

 LindaSmile wrote:
This beautiful kit is now available in the Starship Modeler store.

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/cfstore/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=516

Happy shopping!

Linda

What you do on your own site is up to you. And I for one enjoy the site you have created over there.

But here, we all have to respect the no trading or selling policy on this site. Maybe you may want to do the same?  Or atleast make posts concerning the topic at hand, and not those refering to your online store!

Chris

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Posted by Woody on Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:51 AM

 


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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:55 PM
 Chris_in_Japan wrote:

What you do on your own site is up to you. And I for one enjoy the site you have created over there.

But here, we all have to respect the no trading or selling policy on this site. Maybe you may want to do the same?  Or atleast make posts concerning the topic at hand, and not those refering to your online store!

Chris

Easy there, Chris.  I don't think anyone's business is hurting for this.  I think that sharing the development of this model was quite informative.  I know it's given me some idea of the design process of a new and fresh model not previously available.

Don't we come here for inspiration?  I'm personally glad to know where I can find this kit as well.

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, November 14, 2005 12:56 AM

Hi Fish.. I wasnt trying to play the Internet police.. But a few of us were at one stage throwing around the idea of creating a data base for un-used decals.. As it was seen as trading, the moderators quite politely asked us to move our discussion off the board in order to keep the site free of advertising in respect to thier sponsors..A little harsh we thought, as it was just a swapping (no profit) idea being thought of. But respected by the members concerned...

I have been reading the post's made by Linda over here, and as you can tell with her post count, she doesnt post very often or post regularly about certain subjects.. I have noticed however, that her posts usually contain a reference to their online store.. Pretty much to the extent that I have often wondered why a moderator hasnt noticed this themselves?

People have been allowed to discuss different kits, techniques and reference sites ect... But trading has been frowned apon.. My comments were made, in a way to say, that if we respect the views of the admin, then maybe others should do the same.. If Starship Modeler want's to advertise here. Then I am sure that Fine Scale would send them a list of advertising prices!Smile [:)] Pretty fair I would think?

Chris

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Posted by Admiral Grasshopper1 on Monday, November 14, 2005 8:22 AM

I think it is great Fish that Linda did that,I am glad to see Woody's fine work displayed over here.Woody is a very talented Modeler and his work should receive recognition.I personally do not think it is an advertising plot to sell his kits,I think Linda is just spreading the word that his kit is available to those who want one to build for their collection.

Because his original kit was at Wonderfest as an entry this last year,and I do not know if it won a prize or not,but If it didn't, it should have won a Ribbon.See when some are not able to come to events over here in the USA they miss out on some very interesting contests and events that go on here.

Anyway did you see Woody's lastest creations,his Vulcan ship he is working on,man it is cool looking.I am quite sure Woody will post some finished pics of it when it is done. I wish more people who create new bashes would make them into available kits to buy,because it would give us modelers a chance to own a piece of that person fine work.

 

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Posted by Chris_in_Japan on Monday, November 14, 2005 5:07 PM
In simple english for you Ty..

My comments had in no way anything to do with the great piece Woody did..

It was about advertising.. If the normal forum user has to respect the rules of trading, Then maybe the rule should be followed by all the members that sign up for an account...

Chris







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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:28 PM
Chris, if you are so bothered by what Linda has done, why don't you narc on her to the moderators? No one else seems to have a problem with it.
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Posted by Admiral Grasshopper1 on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:42 PM
Thanks I glad someone said that.
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