AREA 51 DIORAMA!!!!!! Is it possiable to make a model levetate? Using magnets?

QUOTE: Originally posted by cthulhu77 How odd...I am working on virtually the same project ! Doing a fair amount of research, I found this place, and they have been really helpful with technical information about lifting the finished model according to weight, etc... Looking forward to seeing yours done ! (mine is at least a year away) greg Here's their address: http://www.gaussboys.com/

Sweet Hope to see yours to! Thanks for the information by the way!

Erik, Like you, I have experimented with many things in my youth... There was an old memory that ran thru my mind when ya mentioned the car battery. I reversed the wires by mistake & the battery blew up on me Looking back at it (some 25 yrs later) I see the humor in it.
Sit back, relax, enjoy life. Enjoy your project & I think it's a doozie of one! Good luck
Eddie

QUOTE: Originally posted by Hippy-Ed Erik, Like you, I have experimented with many things in my youth... There was an old memory that ran thru my mind when ya mentioned the car battery. I reversed the wires by mistake & the battery blew up on me Looking back at it (some 25 yrs later) I see the humor in it. Sit back, relax, enjoy life. Enjoy your project & I think it's a doozie of one! Good luck Eddie

Thanks Eddie! That means alot to me! Were cool now! As far as the battery goes I'm not planning on not going in that direction yet.

Erik, you'll find that life is not what you make it... it's how ya take it. Having a sense of humor is a good part of it The ability to see the humor in all things is another part. Happy building & Be Careful! Bad experiments can be hilarious but, They hurt too!!

Let me relate something to you that we "older" guys can attest to...

Back in 1978, I got a chemistry set for my birthday...it had all sorts of nasty chemicals (not the wimpy vinegar and baking soda chem sets you get today)...it also included batteries, magnets, wires, and a variety of implements of destruction.

I don't remember what I did, or how I did it, but...I managed to blow the garage door off the house...and I ended up in the hospital with a severe concussion. IIRC, it involved electricity and propane.

So lighten up...it's all funny until someone gets "blowed up" .

Jeff

AREA 51? But that place doesn't officially exist does it? Has anyone experimented by taking the magnetron apart from an old miicrowave oven to gain access to the two strong ring magnets? I love those things, have several of them. They are super strong magnets. Just be careful and don't get your finger in between them when they are turned so they attract each other. I have gotten them out for my seven year old but won't let her personally handle them. Afraid she'll get her finger in between their magnetic field.

By the way, you could have figured this out mathmatically...all it takes is a basic knowledge of elecromagnetic fields, Gauss's Law and Coulomb's Law, and Ampere's Law if you're hooking it up to a battery. It wouldn't hurt to have a working knowledge of displacement currents, the Faraday Induction, Lenz's Law, the Maxwell-Hertz equation, and Lorentz force. Of course, the phenomena involved in Ampere's Law can be reduced by suitable Lorentz transformations to electric fields and static charges. This means that the magnetic field ends up being (conceptually) reduced to an appendage of the electric field, i.e. something which interacts with reality only indirectly through the electric field. And here you thought I was just poking fun...

Jeff

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff Herne Let me relate something to you that we "older" guys can attest to... Back in 1978, I got a chemistry set for my birthday...it had all sorts of nasty chemicals (not the wimpy vinegar and baking soda chem sets you get today)...it also included batteries, magnets, wires, and a variety of implements of destruction. I don't remember what I did, or how I did it, but...I managed to blow the garage door off the house...and I ended up in the hospital with a severe concussion. IIRC, it involved electricity and propane. So lighten up...it's all funny until someone gets "blowed up" . Jeff

I remember that set!! LoL... oh, the memories!!

Jeff...good heaven's !!! and here I thought I was modeling for fun !!! LOL...

Like I said, it's all fun 'til someone gets "blowed up" lol...

I was that kid in high school who wrote the essay on building an A-bomb in your own home...all you needed was a source of Uranium or Plutonium (yea, I know, there's always one minor catch).

I don't know why I never pursued a career in science...I've got everything except the T-shirt...

Jeff

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff Herne ... I don't know why I never pursued a career in science...I've got everything except the T-shirt... Jeff

Well, I got the T-Shirt, but nothing else!

Jeff, I'm pretty sure this is just a simple magnetic dipole interaction in the static regime.

Brian

Good luck. Many years ago, I made a diorama with two 1/72 Mi-24 Hinds, one on the ground, the other 'hovering'.

What I ended up doing was carving a hole in the base for the magnets, and inserting more magnets into the fuselage. As you can imagine, there's not much room to play with in a 1/72 chopper with a passenger compartment, so I couldn't come up with a satisfactory solution for the flip-over problem.

I ended up using hairs, one tied to an AT-3 rail on each wingtip to hold the chopper in place. Visible if you looked for them, but much less so than a rod or some such. I'm not sure how long a hair would last before decomposing though, the diorama was destroyed in an accident some time ago. Perhaps really thin fishing line?

NTM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff Herne By the way, you could have figured this out mathmatically...all it takes is a basic knowledge of elecromagnetic fields, Gauss's Law and Coulomb's Law, and Ampere's Law if you're hooking it up to a battery. It wouldn't hurt to have a working knowledge of displacement currents, the Faraday Induction, Lenz's Law, the Maxwell-Hertz equation, and Lorentz force. Of course, the phenomena involved in Ampere's Law can be reduced by suitable Lorentz transformations to electric fields and static charges. This means that the magnetic field ends up being (conceptually) reduced to an appendage of the electric field, i.e. something which interacts with reality only indirectly through the electric field. And here you thought I was just poking fun... Jeff

Yah I know most of the different formulas like Ohms law, Coulombs Law, and Gauss's Law! But like I said I'm right now have no plans of using a battery unless I need it to boost the electromagnetic field, and that is partially why I'm getting help from two friends of mine to help me do the circuitry. but that is if I would even need a battery! But other then that I passed my Electronics class!!!! Though I must admit it wasn't easy! thanks for the info Jeff

QUOTE: Originally posted by Manic Moran Good luck. Many years ago, I made a diorama with two 1/72 Mi-24 Hinds, one on the ground, the other 'hovering'. What I ended up doing was carving a hole in the base for the magnets, and inserting more magnets into the fuselage. As you can imagine, there's not much room to play with in a 1/72 chopper with a passenger compartment, so I couldn't come up with a satisfactory solution for the flip-over problem. I ended up using hairs, one tied to an AT-3 rail on each wingtip to hold the chopper in place. Visible if you looked for them, but much less so than a rod or some such. I'm not sure how long a hair would last before decomposing though, the diorama was destroyed in an accident some time ago. Perhaps really thin fishing line? NTM

Perhaps really thin fishing line?

If I do need to use fishing line I'm going to use the Extreamly clear STERN Fishing line! It is a fishing line that stern makes that Almost disappears against the backround. I forger what the name of the line but it is made by stern and is very transparent!

Greetings!
Getting in on this thread a little late, but....
I had the same thought about getting the Area 51 saucer to hover and did a lot of "Googling"!
The best contraption I found was here

http://www.wannalearn.com/Academic_Subjects/Science/Physics/Super_Levitron.html

Don't know if you've seen this or not. I emailed the makers describing what I wanted to do, They pretty much said "Maybe it would work if you can keep the saucer centered"
Good luck and keep us posted!

Creekdude... that's awesome! Thanks for sharing this

QUOTE: Originally posted by Manic Moran ended up using hairs, one tied to an AT-3 rail on each wingtip to hold the chopper in place. Visible if you looked for them, but much less so than a rod or some such. I'm not sure how long a hair would last before decomposing though, the diorama was destroyed in an accident some time ago. Perhaps really thin fishing line? NTM

I don't think you need to worry about the hair starting to decompose within your lifetime and even you great grandchildren's lifetime, since the mummies they discover in Egyp and Peru still have hair most of the time.

However I'm sure that monofilament (or however it's written) is less visible than hair, unless you're using grey hair.

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