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My Italeri 1/35 S-100 Schnellboot Build

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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:44 AM

Bofors........hmmmm I always thought that was an Allied operational weapon....

I know Italeri does a kit of the Bofors, are any of those other weapons mentioned kitted by Dragon, Tamiya or Italeri?

Thanks

Joe
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Posted by Grem56 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:04 PM

The red/white aircraft recognition marks with corresponding hull camouflage can be found in the squadron book by David L. Krakov. Unfortunately it wasn't used on the 100-series. I am very tempted though.

I also recieved the 1/35 German naval mine today (that was fast !). Very impressive, very big and will look great on the DC racks. Only one problem, no bottom weight included and I am having problems finding a photo of mine + weight ready to launch on board (for scratch building the weight) Can anyone help here?

cheers,

Julian

 

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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:23 PM

Just a speculative guess......I would think maybe some kind of a concrete block?

And 5 of these mines would be the standard load? Could you post a couple of pics of the mine on the deck to get a size reference?

And I was sure I saw those a/c recog stripes on a built up of Revells S-100......hmmmmm

Thanks

Joe
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Posted by Gotrek on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:41 PM
Hi Firecaptain,
the red stripes on the bow deck are definitely not on the S-100 type! That was the very similar type S38b, also with the "Kallotte"-bridge and same armament.

To improve the S-100 armament, I approve gun barrels from Schatton! Theres a set including 3x 2cm gun 1x3,7 cm for only 21 Euros! And Mr. Schatton has announced a load of 6 german "Ankertauminen"; the full load for the both rails of Italeri's S-100. They will be available soon after X-Mas.
For the barrels look here: http://www.missionmodels.com/files/images/t_16867.jpg
You can also order directly from: www.modellbau-schatton.privat.t-online.de
I got my gun barrels yesterday - a wonderfull improvement!
... and now, I'm waiting for the mines!

regards from Germany
Gotrek

PS:
The mines will include the wheeled box (for the winch and the rope) under the mine-"ball", box and "ball" are cast in resin!
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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:20 PM

Gotrek, thanks for that info, I have purchased from Schatton in the past (K5 barrel).

Looking forward to seeing his mines, hopefully someone will post up some pics here upon their release. It will be just a waiting game but I am sure we will get some nice goodies for the S-100 in due time!

Joe
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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:24 PM
does Mr Schatton accept paypal? My German is really bad!

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:38 PM
why is white the worst colour to put on?????????

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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:42 PM

When I got my K5 barrel from him like 18 months ago, he did not. His site has no PayPal logos on it.

I found that pic of the boat with the red stripes.......

Here's the gallery link of that build

http://www.modelwarships.com/features/ships/s-100/schnell.htm

Here's another link that may be of some assistance...

http://www.prinzeugen.com/SBOATIND.htm

 

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Posted by Grem56 on Thursday, December 4, 2008 2:05 PM

Would appear good old mr. Garth told someone some porkies. In his own book he clearly states that the 100 serie didn't wear the air identification stripes. Still, it looks good what the hey? Build 'em for your own enjoyment.

I'll try a get some photos up this weekend of the resin horned mine I bought. The other "6-pack" of mines sounds promising as well.

Julian

 

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Posted by Firecaptain on Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:13 PM
Looks like those "can" type depth charges (?) (from the 72nd build in the link from my last post above) should be an easy scratch. I would like to see some pics of a craft with those porupine looking mines on them. 1 or 2 of those plus the cannisters would look pretty cool if they would be mixed like that.
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Posted by CG Bob on Friday, December 5, 2008 7:24 PM
One of the newer books on S-boats is "German S-Boats in Action in the Second World War" by Hans Frank.  The book is published and distributed in the USA by Naval Institute Press.  The books ISBN is 978 1 59114 309 3.  It has two pictures of the EMC or UMB type horned mines loaded on S-boats.  Page 25 has a photo of horned mines being loaded, two are on the port quarter deck with a third being lowered, several crew members are in the scene.  Page 154 has a picture showing 6 horned mines loaded on the stern.
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Posted by CG Bob on Friday, December 5, 2008 7:35 PM
 snapdragonxxx wrote:

I found references to the following armaments for the S-100

Torpedo... goes without saying. mounts for 4 ( I suppose that 6 COULD be carried if the tubes were preloaded before sailing)

How's That?

James

Most boats sailed with two torpedoes loaded in the tube, and usually two reloads - never 4 reloads.  The spare torpedo racks are just too close together to hold 4 spare fish, they would not be centered in the racks. 

Torpedo in the aft racks on my 1:36th scale Tian Jia S-100.  The TJ kit was released almost two years ago.

 

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Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:05 AM

Thanks Bob, will try that book. Have also found a couple of photo's online of mine + wheeled (and I presume weighted) carriage that would be able to roll off the stern racks. Haven't seen any of these little carts online yet so looks like some serious scratchbuilding will be necessary here. Check out the picture:

cheers,

Julian Yeah!! [yeah]

 

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Posted by Gotrek on Saturday, December 6, 2008 5:48 AM

I received my heavy metal on tuesday; as I stated before: a nice improvement to the plastic parts:





Gotrek

PS: ...and now I'm waiting for the mines!


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Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:14 AM

Looks great Gotrek, just ordered my set from Schatton models as well. Now if I can sneak this past mrs. Grem56 I might just still be alive next weekend Whistling [:-^]Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Julian

 

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Posted by Firecaptain on Saturday, December 6, 2008 12:21 PM

Is anyone drilling out all of those pipes and exhausts(?) in the side of the hull?

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Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, December 6, 2008 12:31 PM

I did on the Revell 1/72 scale s-boat. Stuck pieces of sprue on the inside of the hull where vents and outlets were supposed te be and drilled in from the outside. For the diesel exhausts in this scale you are going to need some very hefty pieces of sprue. Not sure about the Italeri offering.

Julian My 2 cents [2c]

 

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Posted by Firecaptain on Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:30 PM
I guess it will be hard to get some close-ups of that massive exhaust (one with the fairing) to see what's inside, like flappers, gills, etc (would have to be in dry dock or at the factory pics).
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Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:04 PM

There are several books with photo's of the engine rooms and underwater exhaust outlets of the S-boats. They had very powerful diesel engines and that generally means big exhaust pipes. As far as that is concerned the underwater exhaust outlets were state of the art in 1939 AFAIC.  Try these books for some reference:

S-boote: German E-boats in action 1939-1945. ISBN: 2-913903-49-5

Schnellboot in action. ISBN: 0-89747-457-0

No photos of the boats in dock so I have no idea if there were shutters or valves in the pipes.

Julian

 

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Posted by Gotrek on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:13 PM
...nice link:

http://www.plasticmodellbausaetze.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=333

I think, he was working day and night!

Gotrek
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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:27 PM

me thinks that someone has too much time on their hands!!!

but that diorama is superb!

James

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Posted by Grem56 on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:15 PM

Magnificent build !

Julian

 

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Posted by CG Bob on Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:22 PM
 Grem56 wrote:
No photos of the boats in dock so I have no idea if there were shutters or valves in the pipes.

Julian

The pipes would have valves, probably about a foot inboard of the hull skin.   Best way to replicate the pipes would be some brass or aluminum tubing - much easier than trying to drill out sprue.  The cooling water inlet valves would be globe or gate valves.  The exhaust valves would most likely be butterfly valves.
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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Friday, December 12, 2008 10:34 AM

My Trumpeter King Tiger II tanks have arrived this very day..... The Schnellboot is on hold for a little while. I do tend to move between projects and will come back to it.

James

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Posted by Firecaptain on Friday, December 12, 2008 12:55 PM

James are you in the States? Stevens said they were expecting them on Monday.

On that mine issue, a book I just got shows the porcupine mines on the back of a boat but they are nowhere near the size of the one you had. Also the roller was removed from the port side as on the right they had the cannister depth charges. Further on in the book I found that the mines were in fact in different sizes based on amount of explosive I guess. Don't know if the boats actually carried the biggest ones made, all the photos had the smaller size depicted, and they were almost half the size of that monster you posted sitting on the back end of your boat. 

Joe
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Posted by Grem56 on Friday, December 12, 2008 1:13 PM

Couldn't agree more Joe and agree that a smaller size will be more realistic. 6 of these bigguns (sound like Al Bundy here) would upset the trim of this ship in a big way I would presume. I will be waiting for Robert Schattons offering and might even do the mix of mines and charges you suggested.

'Oi, Snap old chap, this is a rather abrupt end to your build thread. Keeping us boat builders in suspense now you hear? Smile [:)]

cheers,

Julian

 

 

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Friday, December 12, 2008 2:15 PM

I will come back to this kit, I promise.

I live in the UK and I guess that import/export rules are a bit different here. Pocketbond Who import for trumpeter have done a great job in getting this out to retailers. You should have seen me go out of the door after I rung the model shop.... warp factor 9 or what!!!!!

I'm going to post some piccies of the kit onto the armour forum shortly. I will do a full photo shoot of the entire kit in proper daylight (or what passes for daylight at this time of year.)

For Julian and Joe - If you've ordered this kit you won't be dissapointed!

James

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Posted by Firecaptain on Friday, December 12, 2008 4:22 PM

James, won't tie this thread up with more tank talk but yes I have one on pre-order!

Will be looking for your comments in the armor section!

Joe
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Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:42 AM

 Gotrek wrote:
...nice link:

http://www.plasticmodellbausaetze.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=333

I think, he was working day and night!

Gotrek

Just been having a closer look at his photo's. Looks like he put his tube doors on with the hinges on the wrong side. Still nifty paintwork though.

Julian

 

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Posted by keef666 on Monday, January 5, 2009 10:04 AM

Hope you don't mind me joining in the debate, about the s-boat ! after a years wait i got my hands on one, mine is to be r/c, to go with my early 1/35 th scale s-boat [e-boat] which i did three years ago, but back to the new one,i was going to fit a quad on the rear as of s-174, but seems everyone is doing the same, found a firm who makes the mines, but by the time i put four on the rails, they would cost more than the boat kit ,got the hull glued together, don't like the screws or the way they have changed the keel, don't like the hull side inserts  afer you fitted the bracing, i think they have too many water outlets along hull sides, so far have three propshafts fitted along with kits propellers and have the rudders nexts.post more as i build keef666

 

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