WWII historians...help!!

ddp59 wrote:

that wasn't a corsair but a f6f hellcat. that wasn't from battle of midway but i think from the mariannas turkey shoot(june 1944) in which 300+ japanese aircraft(land & naval) were destroyed. the aircraft carrier is most likely an essex class carrier.

CV-10 Yorktown. She was commissioned in 1943, sailed from Pearl Harbor on 8/22/43 in first combat sortie.

Trumpeter in 1/350:

http://hsfeatures.com/yorktownrc_1.htm

ddp59 wrote:

that wasn't a corsair but a f6f hellcat. that wasn't from battle of midway ...the aircraft carrier is most likely an essex class carrier.

jody_c wrote:

I swear looking at the video, it looked like a F4 corsair, and I know the actual clip was used in the movie Midway. By the way..where can I find the dio of Lewis Preneu, any links?

Thanks for the recollection, Manny. Looking back at those Verlinden Dios is really humbling.

Here's Lewis Pruneau with the dio.

If you look on this link, at 3:05 the clip appears to be the same. The deck number is 10, USS Yorktown. And it is an F6F.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcl9XkZOrUU

jody_c wrote:

Thank you folks for all the info. I really do appreciate it. So in conclusion, It was a hellcat, on MOST IMPORTANTLY, the CV10 USS Yorktown ? BUT this didn't occur durring Midway, right ?

jody_c wrote:

Thank you folks for all the info. I really do appreciate it. So in conclusion, It was a hellcat, on MOST IMPORTANTLY, the CV10 USS Yorktown ? BUT this didn't occur durring Midway, right ?

Nope, the Yorktown at Midway was CV-5, where she was sunk. CV-10 was renamed after her, prior to being commisioned. The Hellcat did not see operational combat on carriers until 1943. That clip was taken from the documentary film, "The Fighting Lady" filmed during the Marianas campaign in mid 1944.

jody_c wrote:

Got it !! Thanks alot folks. I was tossed up between Trumpeters 1/350 Hornet or the Yorktown. I just figured I would add a little interest by having a wrecked plane on the deck. Both look awesome, if I do the Hornet, then it was going to be the Doolittle Raid theme. But the Yorktown models I've seen have a selection of aircraft, therefore being of interest in itself. SO...OFF i GO TO BUY ONE..AGAIN THANKS TO ALL. Jody

There was a damaged Yorktown F4F that had a hard landing on Hornet during the Battle of Midway that might make for an interesting dio. Here is a link with info and photos.

http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/CV8/MidwayF4FDamageReport.html

Manny I wonder the same thing about those deck crew guys... obviously a very hazardous job during flight recovery ops.

Mike F6F wrote:

Looks like the island in the diorama shot is a CVL or CVE island, not an Essex-class one.

It'd be a later CVE if anything. I know for certain it's not one of the Independence class CVLs. 

Mike F6F wrote:

Looks like the island in the diorama shot is a CVL or CVE island, not an Essex-class one. Mike

jody_c wrote:

I know the actual clip was used in the movie Midway.

That movie has to be one the biggest stinkers of all time.  It has a ridiculous collection of stock and retread footage used throughout.  The biggest gaffe has to be Charlton Heston's plane-- he takes off to attack the Japanese in a 2 seater-- by the time he's over the fleet,  he's in a single seat fighter.  When he crash lands on the ship, his plane is now a jet!

About the only historical fact you can take from that movie is that there was an island named Midway......

ddp59 wrote:

jody, which hornet are you thinking of getting, the yorktown class carrier hornet or the essex class carrier hornet? the hornet that launched the doolittle raid is of the yorktown class carrier.

Jody go back to my earlier post of the Essex/ Hornet...

stikpusher wrote:

While it did have many technical errors, mainly in footage chosen, it still stands up better historicly than say, Battle of the Bulge or Pearl Harbor.... It did follow most of the historical facts. If they had cut out the romance sub plot, they could have had the time for the factual stuff that was left out.

bondoman wrote:

Actually the reason I don't like it is that it virtually ignores that the battle was largely won by land based forces.

Midway was largely won by land forces? Please elaborate, bondo. (This should be good)

subfixer wrote:

bondoman wrote: Actually the reason I don't like it is that it virtually ignores that the battle was largely won by land based forces. Midway was largely won by land forces? Please elaborate, bondo. (This should be good)

(smart aleck!)

You are referring to the B-17s, B-26s, TBFs, and SBDs based at Midway and were launched the initial attack, I take it. The main effect that these aircraft had, from what I understand, was to set the Japanese formation into disarray. The carrier aircraft from Yorktown, Hornet, and Enterprise delivered the killing blows, unless I am mistaken, which I may very well be.

stikpusher wrote:

If you look on this link, at 3:05 the clip appears to be the same. The deck number is 10, USS Yorktown. And it is an F6F. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcl9XkZOrUU

That deck crewman at 2:46 has a quite a pair. They didn't have much in the way of fire protective clothing in WW2 and he is just up on the wing to get the pilot out ignoring that ball of fire below. That would be pretty risky with modern PPE.