Castles of Steel, 1880 - 1914 *Group Build* (pg 17)...

The Crusier I have has the parts and instructions to build in both configurations, as does the Battlecruiser...

i don't know for sure but, given they were sister ships, i suspect they are. there is a difference between the 1880s and the 1894 primarily removal of boats and painting though not as significant as the difference between 1880s and 1894 on the battleships.

Are the two Bronco 1/350 cruisers kits identical?

The Ching Yuen and the Chih Yuen?

Other than decals if applicable.

waynec

now to clear up the oranges - all 4 bronco chinese ships come with pe. http://www.ka-models.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=37_45 has a super thim wood deck that slips over all the deck furniture and self adheres to the plastic deck.

apples and oranges.

apples - Gold Medal Models has a pe set that contains parts for BORODINO and VARYAG. vectorcut http://www.vectorcut.com/ships.htm has a laser cut deck for VARYAG (and EMDEN) but i believe you have to cut all the deck furniture from the plastic deck. WEM doesn't have a pe set for VARYAG.

now to clear up the oranges - all 4 bronco chinese ships come with pe. http://www.ka-models.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=37_45 has a super thim wood deck that slips over all the deck furniture and self adheres to the plastic deck.

now to throw in a vegetable - talked to toms modelworks at nats and, assuming the zvesda DREADNOUGHT is a quality kit, he will be doing a pe set.

hope that clears things up.

Felix C.

Are you sure? I believe it is the GMM that comes with both ships and WEM has separate sets.

I've gotten the wooden deck as well----not sure what else you two are talking about? GMM???

don't know about WEM but GMM is a two in one.

Are you sure? I believe it is the GMM that comes with both ships and WEM has separate sets.

picked up the wood deck at NATS. it is wafer thin and has the cutouts to slip over the deck furniture and self adhere to the plastic deck. looks like it has a bunch of pe circles, probably for coal scuttles.

also bought a bunch of other stuff i guess i really needed.

bondoman

Severely tempting. My experience with Zvezda's ships (2 of them) has been that they are very good.

Severely tempting. My experience with Zvezda's ships (2 of them) has been that they are very good.

WOW...that Dreadnaught is $69!!!

Aaron Skinner

 

bondoman:

 

 

Aaron Skinner:

 

As a fan of this period of naval architecture....

 

This thread is pre-dreadnaught.

 

 

 

 

Yep, knew that. Just thought it was cool to see these ships being joined by a kit that connects the dots between periods. Sorry for the off-topic post.

Aaron, you're becoming more of a MOJO every day!

Step into the light Aaron, step into the light!

bondoman

 

Aaron Skinner:

 

As a fan of this period of naval architecture....

 

This thread is pre-dreadnaught.

 

 

Yep, knew that. Just thought it was cool to see these ships being joined by a kit that connects the dots between periods. Sorry for the off-topic post.

Your Borodino is sweet...you can see a lot of similarities between it and these Chinese vessels...it looks to be one geberation ahead of them, however...

Aaron Skinner

As a fan of this period of naval architecture....

Zvezda, and get the Varyag because the good PE set from WEM comes with both ships.

Bought the Ting. Bought the deck too. Big deal, I don't like wood decks.

bondoman

Manstein's revenge:

EDIT earlier post...torpedo boats on aft deck...

Aaron, thanks for increasing my stash by one more ship!!!

 

OK, order posted for the Ting. 

Borodinos carried two torpedo boats as well. Aft of the second funnel.

Torpedo boats and destroyers were a much larger part of early twentieth century navy strategy  than previous.

Witness the battle of Jutland where the two fleets ran in circles avoiding possible destroyer torpedo attacks, and for good reason because each had 40 to 60 destroyers deployed in an area the size of a quarter of the Gulf of Mexico.

 

Manstein's revenge

EDIT earlier post...torpedo boats on aft deck...

Aaron, thanks for increasing my stash by one more ship!!!

Borodinos carried two torpedo boats as well. Aft of the second funnel.

Torpedo boats and destroyers were a much larger part of early twentieth century navy strategy  than previous.

Witness the battle of Jutland where the two fleets ran in circles avoiding possible destroyer torpedo attacks, and for good reason because each had 40 to 60 destroyers deployed in an area the size of a quarter of the Gulf of Mexico.

the white "turret tops" were only 1 inch sheet metal and sonsidered more dangerous from splintering than not having them..

Top version is as launched; bottom right before battle...

Again:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/plan/tingyuen-350-mc/mc-main.html

Bondo, although I can't swear on it I'd say that the two ships are identical as far as the kits go---when I priced 'em it was the other way around and also the Chen was the only one I could find anywhere in stock, and I got the last one.  I was guessing the Ting was more expensive because it was the flagship of the force at the battle and therefore more popular; indeed it sold out first at Great Models...they were sister ships and built in Germany by Krupp...you won't regret it...

EDIT earlier post...torpedo boats on aft deck...

Aaron, thanks for increasing my stash by one more ship!!!

Indeed, and that one's for sale at Freetime Hobbies as well.

So is the Chen different from the Ting (kits). The decks look the same, but the 5016 and 5017 kits don't cost the same. I'm inclined to buy the cheaper one (Ting) because then I can afford the deck.

As a fan of this period of naval architecture and design, I've been looking forward to these Bronco kits as well as this:

Here are some parts tree photos.

Cheers, Aaron

I ordered the KA deck and from what I've seen in pics it appears to have cut-outs for the deck furniture already on the sheets...almost cost as much as the kit...

Trust me on this one...this is one of the finest injection-molded kits I've ever seen...the detail and crispness is amazing and a large PE sheet is included with all railings and other delicate parts...

...can be builts as launched or as configured right before the Yalu River Battle, where turret tops, boats and other other deck fittings were removed to reduce splinter risk...if you build it this way then you can see all 4 of the massive 305mm cannon!!!  This MOJO even has two early steam driven torpedo decks on the aft deck that were lowered into the water during battle!!! 

If you like ships you gotta get this for its historical and COOLNESS factor... 

Those things are pretty expensive tho...

Is there a difference in the two Stettin cruiser kits? One cost about $ 20 more than the other.

these guys make wood decks for it. i have not seen their decks but have a wood deck for both 1/72 u-boats and a 1/350 emden from Nautilus (i think) and they are nice. my big problem is cutting off all the deck furniture w/o screwing it up. maybe that's why i have more than one kit.

http://www.ka-models.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=37_45&page=2

Manstein's revenge

 

Mine came in yesterday and I must say that I was overwhelmed with the "coolness factor" of this kit...I have NEVER seen anything like it...it is the MUCH cooler than the "Protected Crusier" I got a few weeks ago...

Looking at the instructiions and sprues, it reminded me of the movie, "WILD WILD WEST" in that it has that weird look of "19th century meets 20th century" or "steampunk technology"...can be built as launched, or how she looked when she took part in the Battle of the Yalu River...Really a cool ship for anyone interested in naval subjects, IMO...

I think I'm going to order one as well. It also really cries out for a wood deck, although I generally don't like the things.