Castles of Steel, 1880 - 1914 *Group Build* (pg 17)...

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Yeah, Vance is already saving his paper napkins and chapstik tubes...

 

 

 

HEY! I missed this, but thought my ears were burning. They make a cream for that right?

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Looking at the instructiions and sprues, it reminded me of the movie, "WILD WILD WEST" in that it has that weird look of "19th century meets 20th century" or "steampunk technology"...can be built as launched, or how she looked when she took part in the Battle of the Yalu River...Really a cool ship for anyone interested in naval subjects, IMO...

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Yeah, Vance is already saving his paper napkins and chapstik tubes...

Word around the campfire is that he's using chopped up soda cans and the tongue depressors he "borrowed" when he visited Granny in the hospital.

Pity about the USN Navy, I guess they were out of business at the time. Oregon, Olympia and Maine, all idiosyncratic kits and in the case of the Maine, junk.

Lots available in resin, of course.

duh how could i forget VARYAG? i have 3 of them.

I'd be up for that.

Also the Varyag.

I have a Combrig Scharnhorst, yes it cost a fortune, and I was planning to paint it pre war white and buff, so that is what I'm in with:

1/350 Combrig full hull SMS Scharnhorst.

Unless this is a plastic only build, in which case Mikasa

If the Admiral doesn't mind, I'd like to post pictures of the Emden which is about 80%.

given the dearth of pre ww2 plastic kits why not steel navy pre-ww1? that would include EMDEN, DRESDEN, DREANOUGHT, the KONIGs, russo-japanses war (mikasa AND various BORODINOs), sino-japanese war ( TING YUEN, CHEN YUEN, CHING YUEN, CHIH YUEN) but not civil war ironclads.

and it looks like combrig is coming out with 1/350 resins but they are rather pricey.

bondoman

What's the theme? Elswick cruisers?

What's the theme? Elswick cruisers?

bondoman

Certainly, always game. However the selection is pretty limited in plastic. I am curious to know, and haven't been able to find much, on what other ships Armstrong was building for other navies at that time.

esmeralda for the chilean navy immediately comes to mind.

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Yeah, Vance is already saving his paper napkins and chapstik tubes...

Certainly, always game. However the selection is pretty limited in plastic. I am curious to know, and haven't been able to find much, on what other ships Armstrong was building for other navies at that time.

Yeah, Vance is already saving his paper napkins and chapstik tubes...

I sense a group build coming soon!

Well, it is proven to be an "interesting subject". I know little to nothing about automatic weapons, or light arms of any kind, in the pre-dread era. In the course of researching the Borodino and it's brothers, there's some information on the 47mm Hotchkiss guns, plus the Maxim guns in the tops that were movable. But after that I check out, however interested to learn more.

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So you have concluded that these MOJO's are Gatling guns and not multi-barreled cannon???

Just remember that "Gatling" covers a wide range of bore diameters, from .45-70 to 57mm.

Vickers and Hotchkiss  made "QF" quick fire guns firing ammunition no more weighty than the 20x110mm used in WWII.  The QF rounds were low-impulse black-powder ammunition, too.  The Hotchkiss 37 was a 37x65mm, if memory serves, low velocity arcing trajectory ("arcs like a rainbow"). 

Would not have been a major deal in a fighting top.  Consider that the Royal Navy had installed 2 & 3 pounder swivel guns in the fighting tops of its wooden fighting ships for quite some time.  Having a "stick" magazine with 8-10 1-1/2" explosive shells that could be fired rapidly from a fighting top is 'worth' the stability issues of getting the support steel and iron up there--and if you are designing masts to take the strain of propulsive sails, you are starting from far stouter mast sections than for  holding up antennae and the like.  So, a "donut" magazine makes a lot of sense, too.  Be willing to wager it was alternating-feed and unsprung, too.

I'd not be surprised if the gatling previous pictured in this thread were a 57mm, a "six pounder" sized revolving cannon.  Which size would be appropriate for that superstructure deck mounting, too.

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http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/plan/tingyuen-350-mc/ting-01.jpg

The ones up in the tops are Gatling guns I'm pretty certain. The multi barrel Hotchkiss cannons weigh about 1000 lbs, and their ammunition up there would be problematic.

So you have concluded that these MOJO's are Gatling guns and not multi-barreled cannon???

http://www.beiyang.org/bybq/gelin.htm

EDIT: home from work and meant to add- this site is a good one for your favorite subject, and holds up pretty well under Google translate.

There's your Gatling gun, which appears to have been fitted with a water jacket. That is pretty good stuff- I have not ever come across another reference to a ship armed with Gatling guns. It looks like it has a receiver on the top that does just that for the big drum magazine. I looked at your scanned funny papers a little more closely, and it may be that the magazines have a hole thru the middle. if not, needs to be.

Your friend Doenitz of course commanded a fine light cruiser, the Breslau, during the Great War and, beyond wearing a Fez to those parties at the Topkapi, held up the ideals of the art of war at sea pretty fairly.

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waynec

ka-models (?) out of korea makes laser cut wood decks but you have to cut al the deck furniture from the plastic deck. not sure if that is time effective.

I wonder if this is real footage???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zQs___7poYE

Looks like the kit guns have drum mags...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GkOP8Lwdmgg

The recoil mechanism is wearing blue...

My gosh, what a beast!

http://oldbritishguns.com/the-37mm-hotchkiss-revolving-cannon

CHEN YUEN and, i assume TING YUEN, have 6 barrel 3.7cm guns.

That's a nice looking model.

I particularily like those barbettes for the big guns.

Yes those look like some early machine gun, multi barreled. I looked through a bunch of pictures of MG's this morning and Gatlings do come closest. If so, that magazine on top usually was a toroid, not a disk. That would look very nice as a detail. Russian ships of the era typically had Maxims, naturally, that were dismounted and could be fitted to the larger launches or small torpedo boats the ship might carry.

CapnMac82

Be about the right age for some of the QF, Quick-Firing Gatlings in naval mounts. 

If memory serves, Vickers built 1"/1 pounder sized gatling guns for anti-smallcraft use.

Having helped manhandle the carriage-mounted .45-70 Gatling for some living-history people, I can only imagine what a 20-25mm bore Gatling would be like to operate.

Here's what the main guns look like in the instruction sheet---very nice!