Castles of Steel, 1880 - 1914 *Group Build* (pg 17)...

Ah....

for some reason when I typed Admiral,  I was thinking more in terms of Gilbert and Sullivan....

Just an old sea shanty that comes to mind when someone says "Admiral."

Tracy White

 

Sprue-ce Goose:

We may soon be calling him Vice Admiral.......

 

Singing turalai, urali, urali.. turalai, urali, urali ay!

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bondoman

 

 

 

There's been some discussion here relating to various "Yuen" ships., where language translation becomes difficult. There are four models available AFAIK, the Chih 致遠, the Ching 靖遠 ,the Ting  定远 and the Chen 鎮遠. These were all counties in China.

The first two were single stack cruisers built by Armstrong Whitworth at the Elswick yard and are the same as Manstein's kit.

The latter two were twin stack cruisers built by Stettiner Vulcan in Stettin Germany and are also sold by Bronco.

The USS New Orleans belongs to the latter two. If anyone makes the effort to do a little research, there are at least two dozen ships that are derivatives of these hulls.

I've been really interested in the Spanish Navy because my great grandfather served in the US Army in the Philippines from 1905 to 1908. West Point 1903 with MacArthur. I think that there's potential in these Bronco kits for a few ships.

 

Are you referring to the USS New Orleans that was CL 22? I would love to do a conversion since I really like that old turn of the century look, but the quick poking around I've done looking at pictures for comparison; I don't see any similarities between the Ting Yuen and the New Orleans. One was built in Germany the other in Britain. If you could elaborate on this some more I would appreciate it, since I may not be looking in the right places.

Sprue-ce Goose

We may soon be calling him Vice Admiral.......

Singing turalai, urali, urali.. turalai, urali, urali ay!

It will be nice to see the Ching Yuen kit when it is finally released.

bondoman

Well, you know he and Doenitz were seen examining the Campbeltown. That's supposedly him on the bridge.

Curiously, they left for lunch at about 11.55 am.

Coming soon:

Well, you know he and Doenitz were seen examining the Campbeltown. That's supposedly him on the bridge.

Curiously, they left for lunch at about 11.55 am.

Manny collecting a fleet?

We may soon be calling him Vice Admiral.......

Interesting information...might have to buy this MOJO now...BRONCO has put out some excellent arnour offerings so I suspect that the mouldings on this MOJO will be top rate...

bondoman

That would explain the blue porcelain I found in my backyard. pretty little vase, sold it at a garage sale.

I'd be interested to know if there's a possibility that these kits would be a starting point for a Spanish cruiser.

 

I'll look into that, and Manstein, sorry to 'jack the thread...NOT!

Just hoist a Spanish ensign on her, bondo, that alone will make her Spanish. 

i have 1421 and WHEN CHINA RULED THE SEAS. interesting stuff. looking for sino-japanese war books. so far the most detailed account of the yalu is in THE CHINESE STEEL NAVY referenced earlier.

i have to finish up a bunch of models before i start anything new including MAS boat. ande then it's a debate between another big boat or 1/72 DORA.

That would explain the blue porcelain I found in my backyard. pretty little vase, sold it at a garage sale.

I'd be interested to know if there's a possibility that these kits would be a starting point for a Spanish cruiser.

I'll look into that, and Manstein, sorry to 'jack the thread...NOT!

I saw that documentary and read the book by Mr. Gavin.  While interesting, the actual facts presented was sketchy at best regarding the Chinese fleet sailing beyond the tip of Africa.  I found many of the hypothesis presented lacking. In anycase, as you said, fascinating 'what -if' scenerios if the Ming dynasty had not recall the Admiral's fleet.  There are a few books out there that are much better in presenting the known facts regarding the voyages.  It was interesting to see pictures of African chiefains tombs using 15th century Chinese coins as decoration.

waynec

given the rise of the chinese middle class and the battle of the yalu river during the sino-japanese war of 1894-95 it may not be as obscure to millions of chinese modelers. we may be able to reap the rewards of a renewed interest in chinese history. they have built a 1-1 of TING YUEN and a 1/2 scale (200') representation of a treasure ship from the zheng he period of early 1400s.

a friend gave me a trumpeter 1/203? model of a representation of a treasure ship. the model is called chengho and has 9 masts.

Several years ago PBS broadcast a documentary  1421: Year China Discovered America?

which covers, I believe, the very ships of the type portrayed by the treasure ship model you were given.

The CGI  fleet presented on screen was very impressive and I can't help contemplate the possibility that China ,rather than Britain, would have ruled the waves if Imperial China had not turned its back on world exploration.

Sorta reminds me of the USS Maine as well...

given the rise of the chinese middle class and the battle of the yalu river during the sino-japanese war of 1894-95 it may not be as obscure to millions of chinese modelers. we may be able to reap the rewards of a renewed interest in chinese history. they have built a 1-1 of TING YUEN and a 1/2 scale (200') representation of a treasure ship from the zheng he period of early 1400s.

a friend gave me a trumpeter 1/203? model of a representation of a treasure ship. the model is called chengho and has 9 masts.

I'm impressed that a company would do such a nice job on a kit of a fairly obscure ship.

Interesting info Bondo!  Just to clarify, for the "Ting Yeun", the Chinese character you have is simplified Chinese, hence different fro the 3 ships which is in traditional Chinese. But it's the same word.

 I Like odd stuff to.. ships.. not so much.. but X planes, Y planes.. weird stuff.. I'm building a YF-1a Airacuda at the moment.. ( its a PITA )...

Very nice Bondo!

Tracy White

 

bondoman:

It's the earliest dated plastic model of a pre dreadnaught that I'm aware of, accurate too. Along with Hase's Mikasa and the Zvezda Borodinos, a gem.

 

Don't forget Zvezda's Varyag and Revell's SMS Emden

And the Varyag is a lovely model, I would like to build her. Thanks, Tracy.

But that wraps it up, I think and there may be a few more. There's of course the Glencoe and Pyro stuff as well, but 1/350 is the theme here.

There's been some discussion here relating to various "Yuen" ships., where language translation becomes difficult. There are four models available AFAIK, the Chih 致遠, the Ching 靖遠 ,the Ting  定远 and the Chen 鎮遠. These were all counties in China.

The first two were single stack cruisers built by Armstrong Whitworth at the Elswick yard and are the same as Manstein's kit.

The latter two were twin stack cruisers built by Stettiner Vulcan in Stettin Germany and are also sold by Bronco.

The USS New Orleans belongs to the latter two. If anyone makes the effort to do a little research, there are at least two dozen ships that are derivatives of these hulls.

I've been really interested in the Spanish Navy because my great grandfather served in the US Army in the Philippines from 1905 to 1908. West Point 1903 with MacArthur. I think that there's potential in these Bronco kits for a few ships.

bondoman

It's the earliest dated plastic model of a pre dreadnaught that I'm aware of, accurate too. Along with Hase's Mikasa and the Zvezda Borodinos, a gem.

Don't forget Zvezda's Varyag and Revell's SMS Emden

I like it.I'm happy to see anything off the beaten path put into production.

i have 2 of these. will build one in 1880s and one in 1890s. also have a CHEN YUEN withTING YUEN on order. can do the same with these two ships. it is also a diffferent colour scheme though all the ships were medium gray at the battle of the yalu river.

the chinese have built a 1-1 repkica of TING YUEN at Wei Hai. http://hksw.org/Ting%20Yuen.htm

mfsob

Quite right, p38jl. I chalk it up to too much back to the grind hoo-ha at work after a nice long weekend off.

 It would have been better to say, "Manstein's revenge is more interested in long threads. My " and let his numbers speak for themselves.

Quite right, p38jl. I chalk it up to too much back to the grind hoo-ha at work after a nice long weekend off.

 It would have been better to say, "Manstein's revenge is more interested in long threads. My " and let his numbers speak for themselves.

NOT

p38jl

Psst.. Fellas.. place nice. or the Judge will come with his big stick...

I think its kinda neat looking..

Psst.. Fellas.. place nice. or the Judge will come with his big stick...