soleil royal build

Steve,

John Tilley answered your question regarding how far up the mast the ratlines go so this is just for your amusement/general interest.

Several years ago I drove up to Portland from my home in Salem, OR to the library where I knew they had a copy of a book that I was planning on using to photocopy some pages on the rigging for my Heller 1/150 Le Glorieux. In the last few days I've been trying to decide which of my sailing ship kits I want to build next. Le Glorieux is one of the kits I'm considering. So, this morning I looked at some of the pages I photocopied from The Seventy Four Gun Ship: A Practical Treatise On The Art Of Naval Architecture by Jean Boudriot, David H. Roberts and found the illustration I'm inserting here.

I know you're well past this issue but, again, it's mostly to show a delightful illustration rather than for edification.

BTW, if anyone wants to buy the book, it's not cheap! See here:

http://www.amazon.com/Seventy-Four-Gun-Ship-Practical-Architecture/dp/087021618X

Mike

what an amazing drawing , thank's for that mike , I intend to photocopy it of on to A3 paper for future use , I finished the le glorieux before the soliel , really enjoyed it , I also bought the le superbe , which is almost identical , and intend to have a bit of fun with it . I would hate to see how much that book is in aus dollar's .

I just noticed something mike ., the crowsfeet are below the platform , not on top like I was led to believe .?

Steve,

I'm not well versed in things nautical. However, a quick Google search got me this:

https://books.google.com/books?id=NirDAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=crowsfeet+17th+century+ships&source=bl&ots=BJfxcaqCNS&sig=qWRE1FhrPBlB2boe46LjFl9ip6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH5ea_xuzLAhVL3GMKHYoOANMQ6AEIJjAB#v=onepage&q=crowsfeet%2017th%20century%20ships&f=false

Where you might be interested in the bottom of pg. 130 and the top of pg. 131.

Mike

thank's mike , my kindle app has shut down so I couldn't compare , but even that little diagram showed them from over the top

Steve,

From my book The Ship by Björn Langström, I'm attaching a couple of drawings of a mid 17th century ship. Please note my underlined text in the first drawing. Even though this text suggests the attachment points are from the leading edge of the tops, I've seen other references that suggest they were just at the top (of the leading edge of the mast top). I don't really think it matters too much as long the attachments are modeled near the leading edge. Just my two cents.

Mike

once again thank's mike . those photos will really come in handy . I'm more of a visual bloke , and there is a lot of detail in those 2 pic's . I will have to ask at my local library for those book's as my kindle app refuses to let me get to andersens book , that I downloaded .

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There's some good info being added to this thread...

And Steve, you're making a lot of progress and doing a terrific job!  I'm impressed.

I have The Ship, I should look closely at those reference drawings.

Soon I'll be adding my tops, and wonder if you can describe in detail how you attached your crowsfeet?  I read there is supposed to be something called a *euphroe* (spelling?) that holds the ends of the crowsfeet to the stay...but I can't seem to find a drawing or picture of what it looks like, or how it is fixed?  Steve, did you just tie your lines directly to the stay?  My instructions say to tie directly to the stay, but I wonder if there's a better way?

Thanks!
Dave

Dave and Steve,

Perhaps this will help a little.

Mike

mike, loving those photo's your posting , I really appreciate them ., the futtock shroud's are attached a bit differently than I thought .

dave I'll try , but it feel's like the apprentice trying to show the master . first of I filled in the pre drilled holes and did my own 18 , .5mm, the euphroe I used 1mmx2mm styrene 15mm long with12 , .5mm holes in it . the block's are 3mm and I used .20mm thread from syren .in the photo [I hope that help's] I attached the first block to the preventer stay , the other block to the euphroe and loosely rigged them together . a length of line to other end of the euphroe and started threading up and down, checking all the time for tension , making sure I didn't warp the preventer stay , sometime's I added a smear of ca glue to the crow's feet to hold them in place I hope this help's dave

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Interesting.

So you scratchbuilt a euphroe (since the kit doesn't have one)....and also, the crowsfeet line is one continuous line?  Did not know that.  The instructions show the crows feet as 12 individual lines per top (fore and main).

I have some evergreen strip styrene...I may go ahead and make a euprhoe of my own....I'll need to rig up a false one first and see how I like it before I go ahead with a real attempt.

Thanks for the pics, and the advice!

Funny, I've been building model ships for just over 4 years (I think?  It's all really been a blur!), and I'm by no means a *master*...still quite a noob by common standards...but when I think of everything I've learned in these few years, it amounts to quite a bit of experience and knowledge.  I still have a ways to go, but thanks to some of the more encyclopedic minds among the forum, I've gained immeasurable skill...and I'm very glad to be able to help by sharing what I know  :)

Thanks again for the explanation!

Dave

I know what you mean dave , I have been a modeler for 3 yrs .thank's to people like you mike , don and the prof , I am a far better modeler these day's . I just hope I was able to help ,

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Beautiful work Steve! Are you going to do a small how to for doing crows feet? I for one would be very interested.

Steve

Mike1943, I'm lusting in my heart for those books you have shown.....

Steve,

I am still amazed at the work that you, the OP Steve5, and many others on this site can do. I'll never be in your league but it's a lot of fun attempting to build these kits so onward I will go.

When I first started building models again after a 50+ year hiatus, I began accumulating my stash and some books as well. The few books on ships that I've bought in the last 5 years were usually mentioned on this site ... mostly by folks knowledgeable in things nautical such as John Tilley. He may not have recommended all the books I have on the subject but he's the guy I trust to point me in the right direction for references.

Most of the books in the photo I'm attaching were bought used. A few were new. I consider it a good investment.

Mike

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Steve,

I am still amazed at the work that you, the OP Steve5, and many others on this site can do. I'll never be in your league but it's a lot of fun attempting to build these kits so onward I will go.

When I first started building models again after a 50+ year hiatus, I began accumulating my stash and some books as well. The few books on ships that I've bought in the last 5 years were usually mentioned on this site ... mostly by folks knowledgeable in things nautical such as John Tilley. He may not have recommended all the books I have on the subject but he's the guy I trust to point me in the right direction for references.

Most of the books in the photo I'm attaching were bought used. A few were new. I consider it a good investment.

Mike

 

Mike,

i don't know about being in league with anyone, unless it is 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.......

I have a number of the books you have shown and I agree, I have bought a good deal of them from recommendations on this site. The two books that you have that I am lusting for at this time are the Rigging and Masting of English Man-O-Wars by Lees and the 74 Gun Ship by Boudriot.

Sorry, Steve, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

Steve

steve , thankyou for the nice cudo's , coming from you it's really appreciated . but as I don't own a video or the knowledge to post it , the best I can do is what I said to dave , it took me about 2 hour's per euphroe , [thank's dave for telling me what they were called ] , but if you have any question's I will do my best to answer them .,I'm also with you on mike's library would really love it . would also love to see mike do the le glorieux , from what I have seen of your modeling skill's , it would be one mighty fine build

steve

https://www.flickr.com/photos/49225014@N05/sets/72157632135025276/

don't know if this is of any interest to anyone , I thought it was pretty cool

don't worry about it steve , all I ever do is learn of off you

Steve,

Thanks for that link. Any and all paintings/photos of models of the French 74 gun ships are appreciated. I've saved the link.

As to Le Glorieux, I've never rigged a model using aftermarket deadeyes, lanyards, and chain. She may be the first ship on which I try to do that. However, I can see the model taking more than one year - perhaps two or three - so it'll probably be something I work on between other simpler builds.

Your Soleil Royal is really fun to watch - you're doing a great job! It's inspiring me to start another sailing ship.

Mike

I just tried to get in touch with heller , seem's they no longer have an email address .

anyone else seen this ?

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Hey Steve, it is looking great sir. That is one heck of a ship.

thank's steve , I'm having fun on this build ,

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It looks really good to me sir.  Good job. I may need your advice when it comes time to  to rigging my Mayfower project.

thank;s steve , really enjoying this build . but there is a long way to go .