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Posted by dafi on Friday, September 23, 2016 2:13 PM

From the museum shop in P. 

 

WITH certificate!

 

All original from HMS V.

 

Nobody claimed that it was from 1765 ;-)

 

XXXDAn

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Posted by rwiederrich on Friday, September 23, 2016 1:03 PM

How did you aquire the *Original* piece of oak?

 

Rob Hmm

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Posted by dafi on Friday, September 23, 2016 11:45 AM
Thanks you Sirs, very kind!
 
My small piece of cake found a temporary home in my Trafalgar shrine, beside the tankard displaying the battle lines, the Nelson magnifying glass, the photography of Nelson´s ghost and the piece of original oak*** of the HMS Victory.
 
 
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Cheers and shiver in deverence, Daniel
 
***from ecologically certified dismantling ;-)
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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:32 AM

Now I know !

 After following this  thread , why your tag is Dafi . Doing all that to a Tic-Tac , I'd be dafi too ! Actually quite entertaining thread though . Love ya for it   T.B.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:05 PM

No the top line on the buoy is to recover it. Otherwise, it, the buoy, merely floats over the anchor on the bottom, fastened by the line bent to the crown of the anchor.

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Posted by cerberusjf on Friday, August 26, 2016 4:33 PM

Terrific work!!!  :)  I was wondering, does the line at the top of the buoy lead to the ship when the buoy is in the water?  I assume it does, but haven't really found anything that says anything so far.

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Posted by dafi on Friday, August 26, 2016 9:47 AM

Thank you Staale!

 

Alle Jahre wieder (Every year again), also known as "every decade the dafi manages to finish something" ...
 
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... my small slice of in between meal is served  ...
 
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... and lives ...
 
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... while you can hear the chant "By the deep 17" ...
 
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... the lieutenant and his midi are listening carefully ...
 
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... and whisper it further with the speaking trumpet.
 
In the same time the crew ...
 
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... with her own calm ...
 
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... and sangfroid ...
 
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... brings up a new rope.
 
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And as the story was so great, here the whole picture :-)
 
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Now only missing a new passe-partout and some good pictures,
 
cheers, enjoy and have fun, the dafi
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Posted by Staale S on Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:42 PM

You are a madman, Sir. I mean this in the nicest possible way, of course.

 

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Posted by dafi on Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:08 AM

I know what you mean, but to be honest, I simply know them as "tarred" in the contemporary literature.

Here a 19th century fishing buoy from NMM ZBA4131 - also painted black

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/266589.html

 

 

And finally some more tinkering.
 
First a small sweet part, a new tie for my little shipyard worker?
 
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No a small loop for the surplus rope on the clamp behind the shroud :-)
 
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The other ones were left a tad longer. But it was a tough job to place them behind the ratlines.
 
 
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And here the new lashing of the stream anchor 2.0
 
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If one looks long enough, then suddenly:  Lavery´s Arming and Fitting page 55, and this makes much more sense. The stream anchor sits neatly arm on arm, can´t rotate, easy to lash and even clears the gun port :-)
 
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Cheers, Daniel
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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:26 PM
I cannot imagine rowing a windlass-equipped longboat out to an anchor buoy that was black against the dark ocean. Modern USN practice--such as it is--uses either a round or double-conical buoy. This is made or painted white,and half is painted green and the other buoy painted red for port and starboard. A wire rope pendant is spliced through one of the eyes in the flukes of the anchor. A hauling line is then made up to the depth of the anchorage plus tidal range. This is bent to the pendant and the buoy. The buoy and its line are ties up with marline to a stanchion base or the like. When the anchor is let go, the marline parts and the line pays out as the anchor takes to ground. The buoy is meant to be visible enough to keep fishermen or the like from steaming over the anchor and fouling the anchor or ground tackle or both.
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Posted by dafi on Tuesday, August 23, 2016 5:21 AM
Yes GMorrison, there were some flaws still. 
 
But a good friend of mine, who also build a marvellous model of a french 74 for the technical Museum in Munich insisted ...
 
Buoy ropes should be tarred and not à la natüre and the buoy slings be smarted ...
 
... also the lenght of the buoy rope was questioned ...
 
... and-and-and ...
 
...
 
Back at home same procedure as usual ...
 
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... first the buoy rope tarred - not to dark - and about 20 fathoms long and thickness a third of the anchor cable - a heavy tool needed to break free the bower from the ground.
 
 
Then tarred the slings with white glue and black paint to make disappear the gaps to look like the right one ...
 
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... but at least the fingers looked spectacular ...
 
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... and then my misinterpretation - the buoy itself à la natüre and not tarred ...
 
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... and V2 goes down the drains :-)
 
Then the discussion goes on about the thickness of the slings: Usually the slings and lanyards have half or a third of the superior rope´s diameter.
 
So new slings done, 1/3 of the anchor cable and 1/3 of the buoy rope ...
 
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... looks ridiculous :-(
 
Got it, the slings are not to transmit force its just to hold the buoy. Ok, discard V3.
 
By then Bernd showed a nice version in our german forum http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t717f368-HMS-Pandora-scratch-11.html#msg44816
 
... that brought me back to the testing grounds :-)
 
V4 was another try with slings of white glue, thick black paint and brown casein paint ...
 
... but realised half way that they represnt much more a rubber duck than a buoy slings ...
 
... that is why I stopped and  ...
 
... some time later:
 
The best results I usually got if was as near to the original as posible. So I went to try out the real serving. But as the real thin ropes proved to be to be to thin for the serving mashine I used copper wire.
 
Took one of my two colored ropes ...
 
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... enjoyed the fancy effects ;-)
 
So another try with two single untwisted threads - black and brown - to get the wanted color effect, the wire was first blackened with Edding ...
 
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... and bingo - here we go :-)
 
Another comparison in between the fake white glue version and the real served one.
 
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Used V4 and the fancy colored rope to try the fixing of the slings and it proves to work far better than the rubber version seen of the bottom :-)
 
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Made my now famous bacteriophage ...
 
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... looks already creepy ...
 
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... but this full-sucked tick, that will be V5 ;-)
 
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Placed in its place ...
 
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And what will remain? Only the memory remains ... of V1 up to V4 ...
 
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XXXDAn
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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 22, 2016 2:51 PM

I would say from a little experience that when an opject is wrapped in rope, then either painted colors or tarred, the wrappings gonna be that way too.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by dafi on Monday, August 22, 2016 1:23 PM

No matter TB, this time I wanted to go the full diestance and solve the problem.

 
Was hard enough to put the lanyards around the buoy so I used plain rope ...
 
... even though I knew better that it was meant to be served.
 
So they got me ...
 
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... but I covered the rope with several coats of diluted white glue and splashed some black paint onto it. Perfect for the scale and thickness of the rope :-)
 
Still discussing the color of the buoy rope: The Vic in P. shows light rope and also plenty of contemporary models do ...
 
... but also plenty show dark tarred ropes.
 
Also in the literature plenty of hints of serving the buoys lanyards, but no mentioning of tarring the buoy rope ...
 
Cheers, Daniel
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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, August 8, 2016 2:23 PM

Hi ;

   I wouldn't worry to much about the tarred color . It did and does change in real world conditions as far as weathering is concerned .  T.B.

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Posted by dafi on Tuesday, August 2, 2016 3:22 PM
Thank you Sirs, very appreciated!
 
And before the admiralty kills the buoy believing it is a cockroach with hairy legs I prefered fixing it fast :-)
 
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There it hangs on the shrouds ...
 
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... the ropes in nice turns ...
 
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... under the influence of modelmakers gravity ...
 
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... down to where it is fixed on the anchor.
 
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And lucky too I was, luckily :-)
When I made the buoy I just guessed its size using pictures of the Vic in P. and gave it 1,5 m. Then got panic and searched through the literature which would be the correct size. Took a while until I found in Lee, that it should be a quarter of the shaft´s length. Hastily measured the anchor - 60 mm so my 15 mm are just about fine :-)
 
Cheers, Daniel

 

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Posted by Xena on Saturday, July 23, 2016 5:36 AM

Bow DownBow DownBow Down

wow!

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Posted by cerberusjf on Monday, July 11, 2016 5:47 AM

Great stuff!  And it does look like a bacteriophage :)

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, July 4, 2016 4:04 PM
Reports differ on whether your bateriophagewas painted half-red or half red and half-green--as that determined which end was lashed to the crown of the anchor. With the cat beam and all the burtons about, spotting anchors was more a question of not fouling the guns when stowed.
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Posted by dafi on Monday, July 4, 2016 9:45 AM
The next thing started quite easily with a large scale model of a bacteriophage on a 0,5 mm drill ... 
 
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... mirrored and streamlined ...
 
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... one side enroled ...
 
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... other side too ...
 
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... and done :-)
 
That the stream anchor usually was carried on the port side I wished to be excused in this display, but it was too nice a detail to not fiddle it out :-)
 
But now the difficult questions: I wonder about the lashings of the anchors. Only some turns around stock or shaft up to the timberheads? But still the weight is transmitted to the channels with no further support? And then the steam anchor on top? And should the stock of the steam anchor not be lashed onto the stock of the best bower? Would also avoid the steam anchor to turn around and give better view for the gun ...
 
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... so I keep wondering ...
 
... Daniel
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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 24, 2016 4:22 PM
As being an old incremetalist I chose the smallest possible headway - I fixed an anchor  :-)
 
Some loops around the stock and the timberhead ...
 
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... a chain around the shaft and a loop around the palm should do the trick for the small display. Luckily the inside can´t be seen ;-)
 
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And then a detail I discovered on plenty of replicas, the lanyards were secured by a lashing :-)
 
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XXXDAn
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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 17, 2016 12:24 PM
And here we go again for the big things in life ...
 
...
 
... a bit of sprue of 4 mm, a hole of 2 mm drilled in the middle, one pick glued on each side, slowly warmed up on top of a candle and very sloooooooooowly pulled ...
 
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... cut to length, and rewidened the holes using broken 0,3 and 0,5 mm drills:
 
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Used a wire hook to glue them onto the backside of the shroud ...
 
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... bound them too for having a stable fixation during rigging ceremony and ready are the shroud trucks.
 
And then came a nice summer bouquet of assorted halyards, sheets, bunt lines, clue lines and tricing lines in a rich assortment of thicknesses. Some clamps still free for the stun´sail´s rigging
 
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And now you see the reason, why I went through the task of adding the clamps. But equally exciting was to fix the lines onto them as I had no access from the back ...
 
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... later I will still add some bights.
 
Kenavo, DAniel
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Posted by dafi on Friday, June 17, 2016 3:20 AM
Thank you cerberusjf.
 
 
The nice thing on such a model is, that one has so many small projects in their own sense, and I believe it to be pure coincidence, that they form a bigger model in the end ;-)
 
Blocks for ...
 
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... yet another shifting backstay ...
 
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... and the tye for the top mast yard.
 
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As everything was well planned before execution, I had to drill some holes in hidden places, so my barbecue skewer drill was asked for, here 0,7 mm it also sets the scale in the picture ...
 
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... and new parts already fixed, to be seen in the second row, or to hardly be seen because mostly hidden and unsharp.
 
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Here is the new grammatical comparisson: tight-more tight-I love it :-)
 
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And yes, one more thing, the main tack is also in place.
 
Grüßle, DAniel
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Posted by cerberusjf on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:11 PM

Brilliant!!   Well done dafibanana!

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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:56 PM
BannnnnnAnnnnna!
 
And here we go with my banana ...
 
... small but important detail: As the man with the lead has no hand to hold himself, he uses a *** belt that is fixed in between the lanyards of the deadeyes.
 
And here he hangs in his belt, throwing the lead far to the front, while the line runs quickly through his fingers, him watching the marks, 2 fathoms leather with 2 stripes, 3 fathoms leather with 3 stripes, 5 fathoms white, 7 fathoms red, 10 fathoms leather with hole 13 fathoms blue, 15 fathoms white, 17 fathoms red  - the line stops, the lead is on the ground, one can hear the chant "By the deep 17".
 
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Cheers, BannnnAnnnnaDAn
 
 
 
PS: And again automatic censorship, just replace the *** by the commen word of the bust ;-)
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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:55 PM

Good try, but the "banana" is no puddening either:-)

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Posted by cerberusjf on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:43 PM

dafi

Thank you Sirs, very appreciated!

 

Going Bananas ?
 
Going Bananas !
 
Going Bananas !!!
 
:-)
 
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Yes, it has to do with my build :-) But what is it ?!?
 
XXXDAn
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHthhhPxHfo
 

Is it something for twisting/tightening ropes?

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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:56 AM

BANANNNA!

Not quire yet, thank you for trying, but meanwhile ...

 

 

... it is time fore shake-rattle-and-roll!

 
To add a new shade to the old black-and white discussion, I would like to widen up the discussion. Classically the two colors used by model makers for the british ships is a neutral pitch-black for the standing rigging or natural hemp for the running parts. As stockholm tar has a more brownish color, I already added a brown touch to my shrouds.
 
The contemporary literature mentions the ratlines as "tarred". Also the hammock netting and the cover over it is mentioned to be tarred. But does it mean that it was black? We had some interesting discussions in our german forum segelschiffsmodellbau.com with the remark, that it was also used to impregnate cloth to wear :-0
 
So I opted for a shade that is darker than the natural hemp but much lighter than the dark shrouds. So I mixed the two of them.
 
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The thickness was already tested out quite a while ago and I found a thickness suitable for both looks and handling.
 
So I took my tart section and placed a template behind the shrouds - have a look at the shortened hair clips - my girly is gonna kill me ;-)
 
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The template proved to be to thick in the lines, couldn´t see my lines properly ...
 
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... so replaced it with a newer version where a filmsy line in an apart softgreen trhat proved to be more suitable. Also I used the hint not to rattle up (or better saying down) in one go, but to always half the distances to avoid the curving in of the outer shrouds. 
 
So it got slowly more and more full ...
 
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... the backstays are bend out of the way, there are rumors of modelers rattling them in also ...
 
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The lower lines were tough, had to find a logical way to work my way through, remembering in which row they were done on the original. As the ratlines were the last items, so they had to go over everything.
But even this mess I managed to clear considerably :-)
 
And then comes the point of taking out the guiding template.
 
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Still had to clear the half hitches of the outer shrouds and arrange the sagging ...
 
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... and up they can go :-)
 
XXXDAn
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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 13, 2016 11:52 PM

??? Harry Belafonte ????

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, June 13, 2016 10:42 PM
Warum werden Sie Bananen sind? Plantain ne Gumbo pas cuire サルは私のにバナナを食べ (Saru wa watashi no ni banana o tabe)
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