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Spanish Galleon 1607 , LEE(IMAI) 1:100

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  • Member since
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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Friday, October 19, 2018 4:15 PM

Good day Steve,

Regarding crowsfeet lines, Yes,

first they pass trough drilled holes in the yard

than each line loaded with small weight of pin/or clamp, lenght of crowfeets lines adjusted ,

and  the other end alternatevely loaded ,these stages performed more or less simultaneously...

and finaly , all crowsfeet lines need to be liquid CA" plated "...

after a while, when lines became dry, I wrapped the lines around the yard and made seizing imitation ...

I 've found that it was the easiest way for me ,how to make crowsfeet looks more realistic effect with assistance of these drilled holes in the yard,pins as temporary weights and applied CA on each line... 

in reality - this is not the way,how crowsfeet need to be arranged , no drilled holes in the yard I guess...

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Friday, October 19, 2018 12:01 AM

kirill4

Good day Steve,

Thanks , I 'm glad if You found some  usefull information here for your own building :).

And thank You very much for share your painting technique.

Most complicated part in this mizzen rigging stage for me ,it was to arrange evenly distributed load of each bridle/or "legs" in lifts crowfoot. In this case I used ordinary sewing thread, not painted...

As soon as I reached desired effect with tension, not perfect, but at least they became more or less looks equal straight , than I fix each crowfeet line with liquid CA - CA was applied all along each line( in purpose to make them hard), and next day ,when CA became" good "dried ... I made imitation of knots and secure each line with imitation of seizing, and only after this stage, all lines were painted and stained...

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Kirill,

You are very welcome. I hope it makes sense, especially using seven different oil colors. One of the things I’ll go over with in the next post is how I vary the amount of paint and colors depending on the location.

Thank you so much for the information on the crowsfeet, they look absolutely stunning. I love how the glue keeps them from sagging. I also assume that you made the blocks for the crows feet too?

I do have a question on the first picture though. I‘m on the iPad right now so it doesn’t have the HD quality of the desktop. It looks like the crows feet lines are inserting into holes on the yard itself. Am I way off and you’re actually wrapping the lines around the yard?

Thanks,

Steve

       

 

 

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:41 PM

:)))!!!

Thanks Flint !

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Posted by Flint on Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:07 PM

Again, this is looking superb. When I see such intricate scale work, I sometimes wonder if it would be easier just to build the actual ship in the back garden!

 

Flint

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 1:30 AM

Good day Steve,

Thanks , I 'm glad if You found some  usefull information here for your own building :).

And thank You very much for share your painting technique.

Most complicated part in this mizzen rigging stage for me ,it was to arrange evenly distributed load of each bridle/or "legs" in lifts crowfoot. In this case I used ordinary sewing thread, not painted...

As soon as I reached desired effect with tension, not perfect, but at least they became more or less looks equal straight , than I fix each crowfeet line with liquid CA - CA was applied all along each line( in purpose to make them hard), and next day ,when CA became" good "dried ... I made imitation of knots and secure each line with imitation of seizing, and only after this stage, all lines were painted and stained...

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    July 2010
  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 10:43 PM

Kirill,

I tried to rig my Nina like you just did with your Mizzenmast rigging. I did not even come close and it was 1/90 scale. 

I’m going to keep your build WIP handy so that when I finish the Pinta, Santa Maria etc, I can use it.

Steve

       

 

 

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:19 PM

Thanks, :))

Dear friends,

today finished fastening running rigging of mizzen sail - sheet, in the form of whip (Anderson p.238, pic.318) mizzen bowlines , here I tried to imitate making rope coil in "new" form and mizzen tack - a simple cable \ added guide block ... this rigging, how exactly to manage it, I don't know -so,on the pictures you will see purely my fantasy, I don’t know how it should be on the galleon ... I tried to do it on "motives" in the way of Anderson (and Hockel) ... :)

and this evening I began rigging the topenants lifts ...

here is too much uncertain for me ,  how strange it all turns out ... in the old pictures with galleons, and as Anderson and his comrades write about it (Anderson ,from p. 234 and on ...) it is often seen that the mizzen lifts went to the main  top mast head , and everything seems to be fine passes ... well, in general of course :) ... but in fact, on the model, this can be managed only if I move the mizzen yard to the port or starbord in max position ... in such case, lifts doesn't   "break" mizzen top mast shrouds  ... in all other cases. ..it simply doesn"t work fine and smooth... or  as Anderson mentioned, as soon as mizzen sail is setted,by analogy with lug-sail, then there is no need for tmizzen lifts, since the necessary inclination of the mizzen yard is provided by the tension of the mizzen sail tack ...

 

I actually depicted mizzen lifts as a kind of “generalized-simplified” version, based on what Icould understood from / in the old “pictures” and on the reconstruction of the rigging of the 1610 galleon from Peter Kirsch ...

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 14, 2018 4:17 PM

Great work. You are really good at making ships look “ropy”.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: St.Peters,Mo.
Posted by Mark Carroll on Friday, October 12, 2018 8:05 AM

Looking very good!

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, October 11, 2018 5:45 PM

Good day,

Thanks for your attention and comments,

this night fitted mizzen parral gear ...

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 7:05 PM

It looks great, Kirill. Keep up the great work. I am enjoying your work.

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 12:48 PM

Dear friends,

Thanks for your attention :) to my building ... this evening finaly fited mizzen sail at place - rigged mizzen tie , and there are some minor sail's  running rigging remains... tnan mizzen lifts need to be aranged...

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  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Tuesday, October 9, 2018 12:09 AM

Kirill

I’ll have to give the gel CA a try. Hopefully it will look better than what I’m doing now! 

I’ve never thought to repaint a line if it becomes discolored, another trick I’m going to have to try.

Thanks as always,

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Michael D. on Monday, October 8, 2018 9:23 AM

Looks magnificent Kirill, love it!!!.

 

Michael D.

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Monday, October 8, 2018 9:10 AM

Good day,

Bakster,
Thanks for attencion to my galleon project ! :)))

continue with mizzen sail rigging - last night fitted leading blocks for mizzen bowlines 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, October 8, 2018 9:05 AM

It looks good, Kirill. Your are making progress.

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Posted by kirill4 on Sunday, October 7, 2018 11:51 AM

Good day,

Have some small progress in mizzen riging... mizzen sail nearly ready for fitting on mast 

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, October 4, 2018 5:06 AM

Good day Steve... to fix various kind of "knots" , I use also CA , but CA gel... it is more easy/handy to use...aply it by tooth pick... I use it for all rigging and for fixing other details on the model as well... liquid CA I use in "specific "area only, when need to "freeze" thread , to keep requered shape... when making "crowfeet" rigging for example...than threads need to be repainted again, due to liquid CA discolorate them ...

but there is some specific in my threads , which I use for rigging... they are heavily painted with acrylic paints, and became quite hard after that, like a cppper wire :)... to imitate natural slack , when lines passes through blocks for example,...I use small drop of CA in this place, where it passes trough block, than bend and keep the line in requered position untill CA became dry... and restore paint color of the line if ness-ry

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  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:42 PM

Krill,

I apologize in advance if you’ve already answered this question. What type of glue do you use on your rigging? I’ve been using CA (SuperGlue) but I don’t like the stiffness it creates in the line. 

Thanks,

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by LIVIT on Wednesday, October 3, 2018 12:54 PM
Awesome work !
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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Monday, October 1, 2018 11:45 AM
Good day Flint, Bakster, thank you for warm comments :) I will try/ planning to complete mizzen mast with its two sails during this my vacation.... unfortunately don't have too much time to be more busy with model...bu will try to complete it, there are a few things remains which need to be done...
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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Monday, October 1, 2018 9:44 AM

Hello Kirill!  It is good to see that you are still with us. Thank you for posting your update. It is always enjoyed.  Yes

 

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Posted by Flint on Monday, October 1, 2018 3:02 AM

I've just come across this thread and I have to say this is absolutely stunning! What attention to detail! Hats off to you Kirill. Inspiring stuff Yes

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:12 PM

kirill , your rigging skill's are sublime .

 

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  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:43 PM

Moi aussi!

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:29 PM

Bump.

Kirill-- I would like to see more.. Yes

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  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:55 AM

Good day,

Dear friends ,this time\"season"  I did last portion of my galleon rigging ... mizzen and bonaventur mast ... sails fastened to the yards ... and one more time I rearranged main mast topgallant halliards, two additional lead blocks were arranged/lashed to the mizzen stay , and running end fastened to half deck railings ...

remains of rigging... will be continued  in summer time , most probably in june -august... :)))

Wish all of you all the best and see you soon... in summer ! :)))

       

 

       

  • Member since
    April 2016
  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, March 3, 2018 6:47 AM

for the last, spanish galleon's  model,

I have this plans...  if you need them , let me know

 

 

  • Member since
    April 2016
  • From: Russia, St.Peterburg
Posted by kirill4 on Saturday, March 3, 2018 6:12 AM

Good day,

Thank You very much for information, and new pictures - save them in my galleon's foto storage :)))

I like very much Hendrick Vroom pictures - he shown a lot of interesting derails in his pictures!

Here I tried to collect various artists " arts"/ pictures with galleons images ...

http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t5753f763-galleons-pictures-spanish-dutch-english-begining-of-century-famous-dutch-artists.html

I agree with your comment abt :

"XVIth century Spanish galleons have almost no decoration at all. And only a tiny bit inXVIIth century, much less than other countries. They were becoming more and more black with each tarring. I do not know from where that use of hanging shields in Spanish galleons comes. It is something you see in other countries but it is unusual for Spain."

I used this famous  picture, as the "base " /avidance of hanging shields and a "few" rudimentary stern decoration and shape of bow figure ( animal head only), which I tried to reproduce on my model...:))) ... at least we can see them , this elements, on the picture... decoration as mix of geometrical and looks like carving / painted ornaments and bow head figure...

 

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