Revell 1/72nd S-100 Schnellboot Completed Page 4

I think if you use an acrylic primer like Future then the enamel top coat will not attack the brittle 3D plastic.

Thanks PJ, i will try that. Its not so much the props, its more the shield i am worried about. Is the 3D plastic more brittle than normal resin?

Bish

Thanks Steve. I have the colourcoats paint including the white and red. I had noticed that about the hull colour as well, and from what i can tell there is no black water line.

Damn, i wasn't sure what to do with those underwater parts so i left them and now i have the deck on. I wounder if i can insert them from the outside. What size tube did you use?

I really should have thought of that.

 

Bish,

Sorry for adding the drillling out the holes a bit too late. I'm not sure if you could insert tubing now but I will never say never, you could always muscle them in I guess! If not then paint the retracted parts Black and call it a day. When you weather the hull, it will look cool.

I used Evergreen Tube #225 - 5/32 (4.0 mm) for the smaller holes and #227 - 7/32 (5.5mm) for the larger. The tiny holes were drilled but no tubing behind them. In the Kagero book on page 7 and on the drawings, there are two smaller holes just under the waterline forward on both sides. They look like they would use the #225 tubing.

You are correct about the lack of a Black Boot Top. If there is any discolourization at the waterline, it will be from the gas, oil and the normal scum floating in the harbor water.

Steve

plasticjunkie

I think if you use an acrylic primer like Future then the enamel top coat will not attack the brittle 3D plastic.

 

I think you're right PJ. I remember our conversation regarding a Future coat on my PT Boat I'm getting ready to weather since I used ColourCoat paints and I love to weather with Artist Oils. It should protect them fairly well.

Thanks again,

Steve

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plasticjunkie

I think if you use an acrylic primer like Future then the enamel top coat will not attack the brittle 3D plastic.

 

 

 

 

I think you're right PJ. I remember our conversation regarding a Future coat on my PT Boat I'm getting ready to weather since I used ColourCoat paints and I love to weather with Artist Oils. It should protect them fairly well.

Thanks again,

Steve

 

Bish

Thanks PJ, i will try that. Its not so much the props, its more the shield i am worried about. Is the 3D plastic more brittle than normal resin?

 

Very delicate so be careful cutting anything. I used a very thin razor saw to separate parts.

Thanks PJ.

And last night i found a couple of pics in one of those books i have of the props on an S-38 class boat. I'll get a pic taken and post it with my next update.

Thanks Steve, and no problem. I will look into it, but if i think its to tricky i will just do as you suggest. I noticed those smaller wholes as well

I had seen the term Boot Top in a couple of books and was not sure if thats what it applied to, i just thought it was the waterline. Thanks for clearing that up.

Its been a couple of weeks, so time for an update. A few people have said they have the same Griffon set, so i am going to start with a few issues i have found with it, mainly down to the instructions.

First one is on the main deck. You have to remove the raised area, greyed out in the instructions. And it clearly shows that the vertical sides are to be left.

Which leaves you with this.

But the 2 peices that go over the hole look like this underneath.

Clearly the cross piece with not allow it to fit with the sides of the kit in place. So, the sides had to be removed, here the rear has been done but not the front.

Next issue is the rear section of the torpedo tubes. Before adding AM, they should fit like this.

There is a PE piece for each side which going off the instructions fit like this.

Clearly thats not right, in the instructions, the top of the PE run along the plastic piece. Whjat they miss out is the the sides of the vertical plastic bulkhead have to be taken back.

This also means that the torpedo tubes won't fit and have to be cut back, again this is not mentioned.

Those isues caused me some head scratching, though really it should have been clear what to do. I only realised when i look at the Griffon models website and the page on this AM set had a lot of images which included this area without the bridge fitted.

Unfortunatly, the link to different products does not seem to be working at the moment, at least on my computer. The product is a little way down on the right side, BPN 72001.

http://www.griffonmodel.com/

So once those issues where dealt with, this is how the rear deck looked.

I waisted a couple of evenings trying to sort that out, but it got there. So i was able to fit the deck and put the hull together.

I then did some work on the raised front deck including around the forward gun mount and the hatch, this was then fitted. Towards the rear, there are 2 raised circles just behind the small raised deck section. There were 4 of these, the other 2 being on the outside edge. These are the bases for the smoke generators. The instructions tell you to remove the inner ones. But the pics of my boat clearly show the generators on these inner positions, so i removed the other ones.

The prop shafts were also fitted, i left out the rudders.

And i got one of the rear sections of the torpedo tubes donw. Lots of tricky PE on there. You can see the front has been cut back. I did a bit to much so had to add some styrene strip.

And finally, those props we were speaking about. In the ship craft book there are a couple of pics of an S-38 prop which show them well. They also show that the centre prop attaches to the main rudder. The kit has this right, but i thought it must have been wrong when i saw the instructions, but what do i know about ships.

When i checked the Shapways site, it did not show one of the propeller like this, so will have to see when they get here. And thats going to be sooner than i expected. They are due to arrive tomorrow, i was not expecing them until the end of the month.

More soon.

Quite the project you've got going there Bish.  Looking good.

Hi Bish!

 Although you chose the Armored Cupola Model, this is awesome. I am partial to the older version. Now that said, keep it up, beautiful work so far!

Bish, this looks like quite an ambitious project but I know you'll make it look smashing! I've been on the fence when it comes to PE for mine. 

Thanks guys. Yes, it is a bit daunting, without doubt this is the most PE i have used on a build, and being a ship not somthing i have experiance with. But its leading me to bigger things. I have the 72nd U-Boat this year and then hopefully in a few years a 350 Bismarck.

Chad, while the kit is very nice, the PE does greatly improve the detail as well as correct a few things. Though i think Eduard does a set which would be less daunting. I have not even touched the sets for the guns and torpedos and i am not yet a 1/3rd of the way through the main set.

TB, am i correct in think the old Airfix kit has the older style bridge. I would not mind doing an earlier boat at some point.

That certainly looks like a PE overdose attack lol but looking very nice Bish. The level of details are greatly enhanced with the upgrades.

Like I mentioned before, the old Airfix E Boat does in fact have the high bridge being an early S7 Class and the Revell being a later S100 Class boat so you get quite a different contrast between the two pieces when shown side by side.

I would love for someone to come out with a pe detail set for the older Airfix boat or have Revell put out the S-7 or S-38 Class as new moldings.

Hi ;

  Yes, you are correct! The Airfix model is the older one. Now that said. I have recently acquired three more Hulls of that boat. Parts were toast. Too much time up in someone's attic. When the Airfix boat is left like that in a high heat environment this is what happens. The Plastic gets brittle and turns from a nice light grey to a nasty puke Brown grey! Or Green grey

 The boat can still be built.They don't seem to warp much, surprisingly! But, care must be taken. It's like building with parts made of eggshells! As you already know I am always going on about Yachts. These make beautiful yacht hulls as well as the Lindberg " Cape Class" U.S.C.G. Cutter. Many " Mega" yachts back in the day were built along those lines.

 Some after the war were modified with the "Spoon" stern to look more "Ocean Liner Regal". This operation was actually not that bad structurally. Just frippery as far as the men in my family saw them. They felt that Yachts that go to sea should mimic "Tuna Clippers. Enough streamlining to take the seas, but, enough brute strength to handle the seas that destroy many that size.

 I have always liked the older boats like Airfixe's Torpedo boats like the Fairmiles and others. Nice lines and good equipment. The Vospers were also something to behold in the Eighties! You know, It's a shame. If you had stayed with the plastic you could have installed the engines! Imagine Lift off hardware showing a depth of that boat, old or new, that no one ever sees!

TB, since you mentioned them modified after the war a thought came back. As a child in the early 60s  I remember one of these boats tied up near Downtown Miami on the Miami River. It was a total mess with lots of junk on it. My older brother recalls seeing some type of large eagle painted on the sides And was referred by the locals as "Hitler's Yacth". It went away in the early to mid 70s hopefully rescued and not scrapped.

Thanks PJ. The PE set does include parts for the light raft that was fitted to the S-38 but not to the S-100, so not sure if they expected Revell to do the other boat. Would be nice to see new moldings of the older boats.

got the 3D parts today, they lok superb, the props look like the pitch is spot on when i compared them to the pics. I will post some pics later in the week.

Thanks TB. Sound slike you have a challenge on your hands.

I have built this Kit with the Griffon P/E before and really enjoyed it so will be watching your build with Interest. I found the same thing with your Build about the centre Deck Section. When dry fitting the built up P/E Deck, I found no obstructions to it sitting down onto the Deck.....Cheers mark

Thanks Mark, glad i am not the only one. Any other issues i should be aware of.

Been slow going this past week, but i am hoping to get some good build time in tonight and tomorrow and catch up a bit.

Well, its taken quite a bit longer than i expected, but i am finally able to get some paint on the S-Boat. But before i post some pics of the boat, i wanted to show the 3D parts i ordered from Shapeways.

This is a love;lt piece. The device on the side is a rocket launcher. I had not come across this until i saw the part and so i did a little digging and indeed found it was fitted to the boat i am doing.

But there was a sligth problem. The boat i am doing, S 205, was one of 2 which sailed into Felixstowe in May 45, the other being S 204. The launcher is right for 204, but 205 had it on the other side. So i carefully cut it off and removed the launcer from the mount so it could face the right way.

I left the launcher off to fit after painting.

And these are the props, again really nice.

A big thank you to those who suggested checking out shapeways and for the advice on working with these.

And now the boat. there is not lt more here than in the last update, just the last few bits of PE.

And the bridge, with the inside painted, i finished off the rest and masked off with some tissue.

And then some primer and paint. I am useing colour coats German naval colours. I painted the lower hull red and then did the dck dark grey.

I will leave this another day or two before masking off and painting the white, along with the bridge.

That is some amazing work mate.

Thanks Steve. I am really pleased with how its coming along and am glad i have taken my time on it.

Looking great! 

Thanks PJ.

Wow Bish!  That is coming along great!!!  A lot of PE but you are mastering it!  Great work!

Cheers Boddy, and thanks again for the kit.

Bish

Cheers Boddy, and thanks again for the kit.

 

You're very welcome.....you know, you do such great work, I should you more kits to do!   LOL!

Eagle90

 

 

Bish

Cheers Boddy, and thanks again for the kit.

 

 

 

 

You're very welcome.....you know, you do such great work, I should you more kits to do!   LOL!

 

 

Don't you bloddy dear, i have enough on my plate lol.

Just caught up to this Bish nice work all around so far. Yea, boats are a different animal but you have seem to have adapted way beyond the learning curve. The PE can kill ya.