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Heller Soleil Royal…..the ultimate building guide.

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    February 2011
Posted by Nelson on Monday, March 21, 2011 8:25 PM

Edmond......you maybe able to retrieve your PDF from Skydrive. Is that possible...???

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    February 2011
Posted by Nelson on Monday, March 21, 2011 8:29 PM

Edmond..... I have just created an Hotmail account. gazza1965@hotmail.com.au. If you are able to retrieve your PDF please feel free to send to my hotmail address.

Gary

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    March 2014
Posted by kpnuts on Thursday, October 15, 2015 11:46 AM

Hi all, well this is much better, I had read the start of this thread a few days ago and thought it of no help, after reading warshipguys reply in another thread I thought I would give it another look, glad I did.

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    February 2016
Posted by NMBROOK on Friday, February 12, 2016 2:10 PM

Hi all,I hae spent a lot of time devoted to research of the Soleil Royal.I do have a 70 percent completed Sergal model I started around 16 years ago!I also posses the Heller kit in my stash.

My research shows there were two vessels of this name,the first launched 1669 and the second 1692.The artwork by Berain reflects the latter vessel.The book by JC Lemineur(which I have a new English copy of)covers this latter version,but some text and general design details cover the earlier version.

I believe Aurora( the original manufacturers of the Heller model )must have had access to the Paris museum model as the hull form and details of ornamentation are near an exact interpretation.Yes the stern galleries should be open,however during this vessels life an order was made by LouisXIV that all stern side galleries be enclosed.No further documentation really exists for this vessel.

Kind Regards

Nigel

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    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Friday, February 12, 2016 3:20 PM

Hmm Scalemates shows Aurora, actually "Aurora/ Heller" as a second generation rebox in 1977, following an original Heller issue in 1974.

 

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    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, February 12, 2016 5:00 PM

The kit originated with the French manufacturer Heller, all right. That 1974 date sounds a little off; I bought mine in about 1978, when it was new. My recollection is that Heller didn't start distributing Heller kits until a little later. My recollections, however, frequently turn out to be wrong these days.

Some years ago another Forum member (who now seems to have disappeared) got some information about the kit's French origins. It's pretty clear that it's based on the unfinished model in the Musee de la Marine - with some big discrepancies (most notably in the quarter galleries, the knee of the head, and the proportions of the underwater hull. Our Forum friend also found references to something called a "bakelite" model that was made by somebody else.

I really need to drop out of this discussion for once and for all. I don't have anything else to contribute - unless and until somebody produces some genuine primary sources about this ship. I suspect there are some in France, but I've never seen them.

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    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Friday, February 12, 2016 6:00 PM

I can't say how accurate Scalemates is, but they seem to be pretty good, and I reccommend checking them when you have a kit that you are interested in.

By 1978, it looks as though there had been an original Heller issue, an Aurora/ Heller rebox and maybe a second Heller issue.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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