Badger Renegade Velocity- WOW!

brickshooter

Go with the Velocity for detailed work.   Seems like you would be duplicating spraying patterns with the Patriot and HP-CS.

 

Okay, Velocity it is.....

hutchdh

 

brickshooter:

 

Go with the Velocity for detailed work.   Seems like you would be duplicating spraying patterns with the Patriot and HP-CS.

 

Okay, Velocity it is.....

Let us know how the Velocity and HP-CS compare. How do they differ in handling, trigger control, spray pattern, etc.

keilau

 

hutchdh:

 

 

brickshooter:

 

Go with the Velocity for detailed work.   Seems like you would be duplicating spraying patterns with the Patriot and HP-CS.

 

Okay, Velocity it is.....

 

 

Let us know how the Velocity and HP-CS compare. How do they differ in handling, trigger control, spray pattern, etc.

Will do...actually, I have the HP-C Plus..my mistake.  I will still do the comparison, but may be a little bit.  That lack-of-cash thing keeps getting in the way of a good time....

hutchdh

keilau:

 Let us know how the Velocity and HP-CS compare. How do they differ in handling, trigger control, spray pattern, etc.

Will do...actually, I have the HP-C Plus..my mistake.  I will still do the comparison, but may be a little bit.  That lack-of-cash thing keeps getting in the way of a good time....

The Iwata HP-C Plus costs about 3 times more than the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS and is a very different airbrush. I do not have one, but am very interested in knowing how you use the C-Plus in modeling.

When I first got the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS in 2008, it changed my airbrush approach completely. It took me a while to learn the proper paint thinning and to spray more layers of light, misty paint to get the solid color cover. The HP-CS has only a 0.35 mm nozzle which is 3 times larger than the nozzle area of the C-Plus' 0.2 mm nozzle.

I have an Iwata C-Plus knock-off called the PowerCat 203. It claimed to have a 0.2 mm nozzle. Looking under a magnifying glass, the nozzle looked small than the HP-CS and is probably close to the stated diameter. But the taper of the two needles (Powercat vs. Iwata) is about the same length. They weight similar with the Powercat a few grams light, 105 vs. 111 grams, with the paint cup cover on. The PowerCat can do pretty fine lines, about the same as the HP-CS. They are very similar in spray patterns. But the Powercat does not have the precision feel as the Iwata when I push/pull the trigger. Despite the smaller nozzle, the Powercat is not anymore unforgiving in paint consistance than the Iwata.

I got a Badger Patriot to complement the HP-CS. The Patriot nozzle is much bigger and the needle taper is only half the length of the Iwata taper. Therefore, I can spray with heavier paints and lay down paint over a larger area much quicker. It is a much more forgiving airbrush than the HP-CS.

How well does the Iwata HP-C Plus handles modeling paints? It would be very interesting when you make a one-on-one comparison with the Badger Velocity. They have the same size nozzle.

Don't wait too long.

keilau

 

hutchdh:

 

 

keilau:

 Let us know how the Velocity and HP-CS compare. How do they differ in handling, trigger control, spray pattern, etc.

 

Will do...actually, I have the HP-C Plus..my mistake.  I will still do the comparison, but may be a little bit.  That lack-of-cash thing keeps getting in the way of a good time....

 

 

The Iwata HP-C Plus costs about 3 times more than the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS and is a very different airbrush. I do not have one, but am very interested in knowing how you use the C-Plus in modeling.

When I first got the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS in 2008, it changed my airbrush approach completely. It took me a while to learn the proper paint thinning and to spray more layers of light, misty paint to get the solid color cover. The HP-CS has only a 0.35 mm nozzle which is 3 times larger than the nozzle area of the C-Plus' 0.2 mm nozzle.

I have an Iwata C-Plus knock-off called the PowerCat 203. It claimed to have a 0.2 mm nozzle. Looking under a magnifying glass, the nozzle looked small than the HP-CS and is probably close to the stated diameter. But the taper of the two needles (Powercat vs. Iwata) is about the same length. They weight similar with the Powercat a few grams light, 105 vs. 111 grams, with the paint cup cover on. The PowerCat can do pretty fine lines, about the same as the HP-CS. They are very similar in spray patterns. But the Powercat does not have the precision feel as the Iwata when I push/pull the trigger. Despite the smaller nozzle, the Powercat is not anymore unforgiving in paint consistance than the Iwata.

I got a Badger Patriot to complement the HP-CS. The Patriot nozzle is much bigger and the needle taper is only half the length of the Iwata taper. Therefore, I can spray with heavier paints and lay down paint over a larger area much quicker. It is a much more forgiving airbrush than the HP-CS.

How well does the Iwata HP-C Plus handles modeling paints? It would be very interesting when you make a one-on-one comparison with the Badger Velocity. They have the same size nozzle.

Don't wait too long.

 

My C-Plus has handled every paint I have thrown at it (Tamiya, Vallejo, MM, Lifecolor, Humbrol, etc.)...the full spectrum with no thinning issues to note.  It by far is the best airbrush on my bench.  I use the Paasche H for wide coverage.  I am looking for the Velocity to give me slightly sharper lines than the C-Plus as a complement airbrush.

Not sure when I will pick up the Velocity as I am cash strapped at the moment and am looking at a cross country move this Summer.  At some point, I have to pack up the man cave.

Stay tuned.

Just got the Velocity in the mail, today.  I came up with the cash earlier than expected.  I plan to make comparisons with my C-Plus over the next week or so and will post my findings.

I'll be interested in the comparison. Congrats on getting the new AB!

I took my Velocity out for a spin the other night, painting a 1/144 ME-262 freehand.  What a stunning piece of hardware, I am hooked!

i would have to say that after seeing the results of the velocity that the bang for the buck lies with badger over iwata.i have read all these posts and think the no brainer is the velocity suplemented by a wider orofice airbrush. i just ordered the velocity. thanks all for your input and by the way,i couldn't care less if my wife see's the bill....lol

Holy Cow Frank, that mottle would look amazing at 1:48, let alone that tiny 1:144!

Damnit, now I am sold for sure.  Where is my credit card........

Bgrigg

Holy Cow Frank, that mottle would look amazing at 1:48, let alone that tiny 1:144!

That's some major work, Frank. I'd struggle in 1/48 to come up with something similar. You definately need a capable airbrush to come up with these results, but the man makes the airbrush, Frank. Well done!

Well, I took a real quick stab using my Velocity last night.  I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't sleep, so instead of just laying there, I did the obvious thing and tested my new airbrush.

I didn't take the time to take any photos as this was just a test run.  I needed to paint the silver areas of my C-17 and decided this was good tool to use as the paint areas were in tight places and I could not afford any overspray.  The Velocity worked great!!!  But that wasn't a real good example of the main capability of the brush, so I did some test patterns on some vinyl stock.  I discovered that the tight lines I could produce were incredibly thin.  Much thinner than what I can get on my HP-C Plus. 

Mind you, I was using Alclad at the time.  I will be using some enamel and acrylics over the next few days and will post my findings...I hope to provide a few pics as well.  Stay tuned.

LOL, I hope middle of the night painting sessions aren't a regular occurrence! My wife would kill me if I started running my compressor during the night!

Looking forward to the pics of your tests!

BTW, be very careful with the needle when inserting it after a cleaning. 

The needle tip are extremely easy to bend.

On the other hand, if bent one can re-bend it back in place with two quarters, & repolish with ultrafine sandpaper or toothpaste.

brickshooter

On the other hand, if bent one can re-bend it back in place with two quarters, & repolish with ultrafine sandpaper or toothpaste.

I have heard this before, but as I have been fortunate (and careful) and not bent a needle yet, I haven't needed to fix it.  Could you please explain the 'two quarters' method for fixing a bent needle?

Thanks!

Chris

Killjoy

 

brickshooter:

 

On the other hand, if bent one can re-bend it back in place with two quarters, & repolish with ultrafine sandpaper or toothpaste.

 

 

I have heard this before, but as I have been fortunate (and careful) and not bent a needle yet, I haven't needed to fix it.  Could you please explain the 'two quarters' method for fixing a bent needle?

Thanks!

Chris

Good to hear that you are careful Chris as that is all that is needed to keeping an airbrush in top notch condition.

If people would carefully and slowly put the needle into the back of the airbrush they would rarely need to buy an extra needle unless there's is just worn out. I have always used a very easy touch to put the needle back into the airbrush and I have been fortunate enough to have never damaged a needle so far.

I will let 'Brickshooter' answer you to the two quarters trick but I think he sandwiches the needle tip between two quarters and squeezes the quarters as he rotates and pulls the needle out of the quarters causing the bend to straighten. Most experts in the past have just sat the needle (taper flat) on a thick piece of glass and applied pressure to the needle as they rotated it towards themselves while keeping downward pressure with their finger on the needle.

I got mine as a Christmas present from my mother in law. It creates the finest lines I have ever seen by an AB! I'm very happy with mine!