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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, October 28, 2011 11:07 PM

They are going to lose a lot of business if they keep this up.

I may switch to Vallejo Model Color if this keeps up. Wink

Mike

 

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:48 PM

i agree! 

i have collected a load of MM enamels and acrylics over this time. at this point i'll stick to MM. 

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tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

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Posted by GreenThumb on Saturday, October 29, 2011 11:09 PM

I am sticking with acrylics as enamels are not worth the hassle of disposal and I can wash the screen in my spray booth with Windex or Simple Green, rinse it, dry it and use it again. With enamels I would be throwing it into the landfills.

Mike

 

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:00 AM

i just hate the fuses them give. only if MM made more colors in their acrylic line but i have a feeling they won't because a lot of people aren't fans on their acrylics. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by f-4phantom on Monday, October 31, 2011 8:02 PM

I've used Tamiya acrylics for years. Now that I can't get them I've switched totally to MM acryl.

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Posted by Robert92562 on Monday, October 31, 2011 8:18 PM

I like the tamiya primer but I have been replacing with MM and have no complaints....

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Posted by GreenThumb on Monday, October 31, 2011 8:33 PM

It doesn't matter to me which paint I use as I like a challenge.

We are modelers are we not? Wink

If I had to switch from Tamiya it would either be Model Color from Vallejo or MM Acryl.

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, October 31, 2011 8:48 PM

Just last week stocked up on a bunch of Tamiya paints I was running short on. Seems the demand for it way up here is far exceeded by the supply. Still plenty to go around, even if I had to drive two hours each way to get it.

Mike

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 31, 2011 11:20 PM

GreenThumb

I am sticking with acrylics as enamels are not worth the hassle of disposal and I can wash the screen in my spray booth with Windex or Simple Green, rinse it, dry it and use it again. With enamels I would be throwing it into the landfills.

Whats the hassle of disposal with enamels Mike? Use the bottle or tin until the paint is all gone or dried up. Throw it away afterwards in either case. No hassle involved. I airbrush in my garage with the big door open so no spray booth required.

 

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Posted by GreenThumb on Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:09 AM

stikpusher

 GreenThumb:

I am sticking with acrylics as enamels are not worth the hassle of disposal and I can wash the screen in my spray booth with Windex or Simple Green, rinse it, dry it and use it again. With enamels I would be throwing it into the landfills.

 

Whats the hassle of disposal with enamels Mike? Use the bottle or tin until the paint is all gone or dried up. Throw it away afterwards in either case. No hassle involved. I airbrush in my garage with the big door open so no spray booth required.

I use a spray booth and the enamels ruin the air filter over time. Also I use lacquer thinner to clean up and it stinks to high heaven. Big Smile

Yes I could use enamel thinner to clean but I find enamels a hassle overall with longer drying time, etc.

I can spray acrylics, cure the paint in my drying booth for a couple hours and be ready to apply Future for decaling. Plus any overspray in the booth or spills can be cleaned with Windex, Iso alcohol, Simple Green or Formula 409. Simple Green is even biodegradable. I can also clean the airbrush in my ultrasonic cleaner with some Windex and water in it. You can't put enamel thinner or lacquer thinner in the ultrasonic cleaner unless you want a possible explosion. Wink

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, November 1, 2011 3:41 PM

Mike, those are all things I do not have or use... no spray booth, drying booth, or ultrasonic cleaner. Just rags, pipe cleaners and brushes for use with my cleaning chemicals. I don't think that the curing process really needs to be sped up. A day does not make a difference to me. My luck is when I speed things up, bad stuff happens. Overspray in my work area is not a problem. Yes the lacquer thinner does have a strong odor, but in my work area with its constant prevailing onshore breeze, and my garage door open to where it catches that breeze nearly every day of the year, the odor is rapidly carried away. Mother nature works well with me there.Cool I know we must all adapt our techniques to match our working envornment. In mine they can take my enamels when they pry them from my cold dead fingers...Stick out tongueWinkWhistling

 

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Posted by carsanab on Tuesday, November 1, 2011 3:59 PM

so just release the primer.....

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Posted by randypandy831 on Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:47 AM

if your talking about the primer in the can then yeah, it's already out. so is the one in bottle. their lacquer thinner is out also. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by usmc1371 on Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:53 PM

They should just slap one of those universal poison symbols on the side of the bottle and ship it.  There's gotta be some left over Mr. Yuck stickers someplace.

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Posted by randypandy831 on Thursday, November 3, 2011 9:50 PM

i didn't see any problems with their acrylics in the first place. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by RESlusher on Thursday, November 3, 2011 9:53 PM

Nah, they're great thinned with a little vodka!  Drinks

 

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Posted by mgh on Saturday, November 5, 2011 12:22 PM

Robert92562

I like the tamiya primer but I have been replacing with MM and have no complaints....

Model Master has a surface primer?  What I saw at the store in MM was white primer acryl paint.  I was not sure if it was a paint to replicate what primer looked like, or if it was in fact a surface primer.

Can you help?

Thanks!

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, November 5, 2011 12:28 PM

Anyone know the legalities of someone that's in Japan on biz bringing back  10 or so jars of paint?

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Posted by randypandy831 on Saturday, November 5, 2011 5:18 PM

mgh

 

 Robert92562:

 

I like the tamiya primer but I have been replacing with MM and have no complaints....

 

 

Model Master has a surface primer?  What I saw at the store in MM was white primer acryl paint.  I was not sure if it was a paint to replicate what primer looked like, or if it was in fact a surface primer.

Can you help?

Thanks!

 

they make a surface primer in acrylic and enamel. they have a color called "primer gray" also witch isn't a primer. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by atlrus on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:55 PM

They just posted this:

USA Tamiya Fanatics, just wanted to let you know we are receiving paint in our warehouse and it is shipping out. So keep checking your Hobby Shop and let them know paint is on the way!!!

Time will tell when it will be available at stores.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 6:21 PM

I`ll tell you one thing Gents, if the price of these paints, all of them, gets much higher, I`ll be figuring out ways to use craft paints. Tamiya acrylics @ $2.35 per 1/3oz bottle and MM enamels @ $ 3.85- 4.00 per 1/2 oz bottles are about to price me out of the hobby! Craft acrylics are about 2 bucks for a 5oz bottle with a vast array of colors. I think it`ll be a big PITA matching up colors to the model paints but very do-able. My Mom has a storage bin filled with craft paints and I`ve been eye-ballin` them...I feel an experiment coming on.....

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Posted by GreenThumb on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 6:33 PM

troublemaker66

I`ll tell you one thing Gents, if the price of these paints, all of them, gets much higher, I`ll be figuring out ways to use craft paints. Tamiya acrylics @ $2.35 per 1/3oz bottle and MM enamels @ $ 3.85- 4.00 per 1/2 oz bottles are about to price me out of the hobby! Craft acrylics are about 2 bucks for a 5oz bottle with a vast array of colors. I think it`ll be a big PITA matching up colors to the model paints but very do-able. My Mom has a storage bin filled with craft paints and I`ve been eye-ballin` them...I feel an experiment coming on.....

Those craft paints are garbage. Paint is not that expensive and a bottle should paint a couple of models.

Tell me, how many kits do you have in your stash?

Mike

 

 

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Posted by mgh on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 6:58 PM

I am still a noob, but the guy that got me started suggested using artists acrylics in the tubes.  I thin it with Windex, and have had a good time with it.  No question that my interpretation of olive drab may not be the same as Tamiya's, but that doesn't bother me, I am much more concerned about learning how to get a good paint job than about having the perfect color match.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:46 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

I`ll tell you one thing Gents, if the price of these paints, all of them, gets much higher, I`ll be figuring out ways to use craft paints. Tamiya acrylics @ $2.35 per 1/3oz bottle and MM enamels @ $ 3.85- 4.00 per 1/2 oz bottles are about to price me out of the hobby! Craft acrylics are about 2 bucks for a 5oz bottle with a vast array of colors. I think it`ll be a big PITA matching up colors to the model paints but very do-able. My Mom has a storage bin filled with craft paints and I`ve been eye-ballin` them...I feel an experiment coming on.....

 

Those craft paints are garbage. Paint is not that expensive and a bottle should paint a couple of models.

Tell me, how many kits do you have in your stash?

Paint isn`t that expensive? Sorry you don`t believe and maybe where you are it`s not ,Mike, but here in NJ it`s exactly what I just posted. Believe me...I can stretch a bottle of paint for more than "a couple" kits...it`s becoming a must with those prices.

I have around 300 kits in my stash. I buy  my model paints mainly from The Beachcomber, a collectibles store with a hobby shop and they`re the prices he charges. Sometimes I pick up MM enamels at AC Moore or Michael`s...4 bucks a bottle or the Haymarket Toy shop on Long Beach Island...around the same prices as the rest. I could buy them on line but by the time you pay  S/H , it`s about the store prices. Eight bucks will get me a quart of enamel paint at Home Depot and one oz at the hobby shop...bit of a ripoff maybe?

Len

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Posted by GreenThumb on Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:38 PM

troublemaker66

 

 

Paint isn`t that expensive? Sorry you don`t believe and maybe where you are it`s not ,Mike, but here in NJ it`s exactly what I just posted. Believe me...I can stretch a bottle of paint for more than "a couple" kits...it`s becoming a must with those prices.

 

I have around 300 kits in my stash.

The reason I asked how many kits you have was to put things in perspective. If you had a lot less kits you would have plenty of money for paint. Wink

I agree that model paints and any specialty paints for that matter are overpriced per ounce but for the amount we use it is nothing in comparison to the money we spend on kits and resin upgrades, etc. etc.

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:28 AM

agree with you. last thing you want to do is cheap out on your paint. specially all the hard work you put into building it. 

 

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:11 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

 

I have around 300 kits in my stash.

 

The reason I asked how many kits you have was to put things in perspective. If you had a lot less kits you would have plenty of money for paint. Wink

I agree that model paints and any specialty paints for that matter are overpriced per ounce but for the amount we use it is nothing in comparison to the money we spend on kits and resin upgrades, etc. etc.

 

I don`t dump a ton of money on kits or resin but may spring for a PE fret occasionally. I buy high -end kits ONLY on sale and must be at a deep discount...like the paint, I can`t see paying through the nose for a kit just so I don`t have to sand a seam or two. I think some of the resin that`s out there is overpriced and over rated...strictly my opinion...can`t see paying three times the price of the kit you`re buying the resin for just to have a souped up `pit that you`ll probabaly not see once you glue the fuse` halves together. And that hardware store enamel paint, once thinned properly, works just as well as those 1/2 oz bottles of specialty model paint...been doing it for quite awhile and no problems....save money on paint and get a big stash..lol.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 5:35 PM

randypandy831

agree with you. last thing you want to do is cheap out on your paint. specially all the hard work you put into building it. 

 

 

I bought a quart of olive drab enamel paint from a hardware store a couple of years ago. I used a bottle of MM enamel for the paint match and the guy at the store nailed it. The hardware store paint smelled exactly like the MM enamel but was a bit thicker. I thin my paints at least 50/50, sometimes 60/40..thinner /paint. Once thinned properly, the hardware store paint worked just as well as the MM enamel through my airbrush and bonded to the plastic perfectly. I`ve since done the same with fequently used colors...flat black , red, white and brown...so far...with no problems..(so far). Can`t remember exactly what I paid...around 8-10 bucks per quart. I haven`t put a dent in any of them yet. I guess what I`m trying to say here is enamel paint is enamel paint...whether you pay 8 bucks an oz or 8 bucks per quart is up to you.

Green Thumb said craft paints are "crap"...his opinion. Again, properly thinned they work great...my opinion...used them through my A/B for school projects but haven`t tried them on a model yet but will soon. I`m just tired of getting gouged everytime I turn around, in my hobby and everyday life. I feel good when I save a couple bucks and if that seems like "cheaping out"....I`m fine with it and have a lot of good company around here....Wink

Len

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Posted by mgh on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:52 PM

troublemaker66

 

I feel good when I save a couple bucks and if that seems like "cheaping out"....I`m fine with it and have a lot of good company around here....Wink

Len

Thanks for the compliment (I cheap out whenever I can. I don't buy aftermarket, and most of my kits so far are Revell or Monogram).

I love it! Buying enamel by the quart.  Now, have you ever tried that with acrylics?  

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:51 PM

mgh

 troublemaker66:

 

I feel good when I save a couple bucks and if that seems like "cheaping out"....I`m fine with it and have a lot of good company around here....Wink

Len

 

Thanks for the compliment (I cheap out whenever I can. I don't buy aftermarket, and most of my kits so far are Revell or Monogram).

I love it! Buying enamel by the quart.  Now, have you ever tried that with acrylics?  

We have some things in common mgh. I have tons of Revellogram kits. I also have lots of Tamigawa stuff too but paid at least half price or less for most of them. I spent big money on a couple kits..95 bucks for an Italeri AC-130 and over 100 for an MPM he-177 with every aftermarket part ever made for the kit included . That was quite a few years ago and I don`t think I`ll ever spend more than 100 bucks again...I start shying away at about 50 bucks these days and even that`s high for me lately.

I have used craft acrylics on projects for my kids for school with my airbrush. I have not tried them on a model yet. I`ve used them for pin washes and weathering and they act just like the model paints. There`s different brands of craft paints and the prices vary. I try to stay in the middle price ranges 2-4 dollars for a 5 or 6 oz bottle. I like Tamiya`s acrylics a bunch  and been using them more lately than the MM enamels. Tamiya paint is $2.35 a 1/3 oz bottle where I buy it...not too bad. But Model Master paints jump a few cents every time I go to the store! $3.85 for paint and over 4 for their metalizers...which I also really like. YIKES! Even buying spray paint and decanting it is cheaper by the oz. I have an old Havoc A-20 that I use as a paint "mule"...I`m going to experiment this weekend with craft acrylics to see if they`ll work for models or if indeed they really are "crap". I`m sure others have done this already and I remember even hearing a guy say he used Tempura paints on a kit...it was in a past issue of the mag I believe.

Hang in there fellow cheapskate!

Len

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Posted by GreenThumb on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:58 PM

troublemaker66

 

 

Green Thumb said craft paints are "crap"...his opinion.

Yes it is just my opinion but I have airbrushed plastic models along with airbrushing T-shirts so I know what most "craft paints" are and their adhesion is horrible. But hey, if you like tinkering be my guest. Personally I want good paint on my models not stuff designed for women to write names on T-shirts with a brush. Big Smile

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:57 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

 

 

Green Thumb said craft paints are "crap"...his opinion.

 

Yes it is just my opinion but I have airbrushed plastic models along with airbrushing T-shirts so I know what most "craft paints" are and their adhesion is horrible. But hey, if you like tinkering be my guest. Personally I want good paint on my models not stuff designed for women to write names on T-shirts with a brush. Big Smile

What`s good paint? Because it says Tamiya or Gunze or Model Master on the bottle it`s good and everything else isn`t?  If you use fabric paint on a plastic kit it ain`t gonna stick. You can use whatever you want to paint your kits and I`ll be tinkering and it`s all good. C`ya.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:22 PM

troublemaker66

What`s good paint?

Good paint is paint that adheres to plastic because it was designed to do so.

Because it says Tamiya or Gunze or Model Master on the bottle it`s good and everything else isn`t? 

I didn't say everything else wasn't good, I said "Most" craft paints that are marketed as "craft paints" are not suitable for modeling as they have bad adhesion. But hey don't believe me, I have only been airbrushing 20 years so what do I know? Try some out and get back to us. There are some really good paints at art stores that might adhere well to models such as Golden's acrylics which some airbrush artists use on automotive paint jobs but they are not really inexpensive like the craft paints that Michael's, Walmart and others sell.

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

What`s good paint?

Good paint is paint that adheres to plastic because it was designed to do so.

Because it says Tamiya or Gunze or Model Master on the bottle it`s good and everything else isn`t? 

I didn't say everything else wasn't good, I said "Most" craft paints that are marketed as "craft paints" are not suitable for modeling as they have bad adhesion. But hey don't believe me, I have only been airbrushing 20 years so what do I know? Try some out and get back to us. There are some really good paints at art stores that might adhere well to models such as Golden's acrylics which some airbrush artists use on automotive paint jobs but they are not really inexpensive like the craft paints that Michael's, Walmart and others sell.

 

You commented on my initial post and said "Those craft paints are garbage", right? Then a couple posts later you said that those craft paints were designed for "women to write on T-shirts "! And I hear what you`re saying...it`s not that I don`t believe you about adhesion problems, I`ve had trouble with high end model paints flaking off a kit...Pollyscale to be exact. I`ve been modeling a long time too...maybe I know something you don`t, maybe I`ll have better luck with adhesion, etc. I wouldn`t use paint that wasn`t made to use on plastic in the first place. So I take your advice under advisement and will now proceed to "tinker" in the hopes to find a paint brand that`ll stick to plastic..Big Smile I`m not happy paying 3-4 dollars per 1/2 oz of paint so I`m going to try to find an alternative. Have to go X-mas shopping with the wifey tomorrow so I`ll be sneaking away to Michael`s for some recon...Wink I will let you know how I make out.

Len

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Posted by GreenThumb on Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:56 PM

Len,

Just curious as to what airbrush you are using?

Mike

 

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:24 PM

GreenThumb

Len,

Just curious as to what airbrush you are using?

Mostly, a Badger 150. I have several...a really old Testors AB single action external mix and I have a few double action brushes that I picked up at Harbor Freight...knock-offs of some sort but they work pretty well. I was thinking about getting an Iwata...I`d like to test drive one to see if I like it...heard lots of good things about them. Maybe I can find a used one on Ebay...pretty expensive compared to my Badger.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, November 11, 2011 11:13 AM

troublemaker66

 GreenThumb:

Len,

Just curious as to what airbrush you are using?

 

Mostly, a Badger 150. I have several...a really old Testors AB single action external mix and I have a few double action brushes that I picked up at Harbor Freight...knock-offs of some sort but they work pretty well. I was thinking about getting an Iwata...I`d like to test drive one to see if I like it...heard lots of good things about them. Maybe I can find a used one on Ebay...pretty expensive compared to my Badger.

The reason I ask is because the gravity-feed airbrushes like the Badger 150 and others use more paint than a gravity-feed model like the Badger Patriot, Velocity, Krome, etc. You could save some money on paints by using one of the airbrushes I mentioned.

Mike

 

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, November 11, 2011 11:28 AM

Multiple comments about craft paints have stated poor adhesion on plastic models for ( most ? ) brands but not all.

As long as folks are going to bring up the subject, why not mention the brands of craft paints that have been successfully adhered to models?

On the subject of saving money on paint by purchasing a new airbrush:

I understand the reason stated regarding quantity of paint used by some airbrushes.

Out of curiosity, what must one spend on a new airbrush to save money on paint?

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, November 11, 2011 1:14 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

On the subject of saving money on paint by purchasing a new airbrush:

I understand the reason stated regarding quantity of paint used by some airbrushes.

Out of curiosity, what must one spend on a new airbrush to save money on paint?

That's a good question. Mathematicians? Big Smile

Mike

 

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Friday, November 11, 2011 2:31 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

 GreenThumb:

Len,

Just curious as to what airbrush you are using?

 

The reason I ask is because the gravity-feed airbrushes like the Badger 150 and others use more paint than a gravity-feed model like the Badger Patriot, Velocity, Krome, etc. You could save some money on paints by using one of the airbrushes I mentioned.

The Badger 150 isn`t a gravity fed brush, it`s a bottom feeder. I use jars with siphon lids but the A/B came with a color cup but is designed to feed the paint from the bottom...I rarely use it. Like you said Mike, I really don`t use alot of paint on a kit and my 150 isn`t a paint waster because I don`t have it jacked up to 50 PSI, I work in the 10-20 PSI ranges, depending on what I`m doing. The only reason I`d want another A/B is for doing fine detail work, like what I heard about Iwata`s. My 150 is just fine for modeling and I can do just about anything with it by changing the needles and tips or by adjusting the air pressure. I am curious about what else is out there and I`ll have to check out those A/Bs you mentioned.

And now..for everyone..a fun fact...

Model Master enamels, where I get them, are $3.85 per 1/2 oz bottle. So for a full oz...$7.70....Qt....$243.30 ....1/2 Gallon...$486.50...and a Gallon = $ 972.90.....plus tax   Big Smile

I thought the Micron anti-fouling paint that I use to paint the bottom of my boat was expensive at $200.00 a gallon!

Len

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 11, 2011 2:35 PM

GreenThumb

 Sprue-ce Goose:

On the subject of saving money on paint by purchasing a new airbrush:

I understand the reason stated regarding quantity of paint used by some airbrushes.

Out of curiosity, what must one spend on a new airbrush to save money on paint?

 

That's a good question. Mathematicians? Big Smile

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, November 11, 2011 3:10 PM

troublemaker66

The Badger 150 isn`t a gravity fed brush, it`s a bottom feeder.

My mistake Len I posted that quickly on break here at work. Bang Head

Yes the 150 is a siphon-feed and while they do not use a lot of paint spraying at 20-30 psi they do waste a little more paint because of what stays in the glass or plastic jar and is not picked up by the airbrush siphon tube. Yes the metal color cup will reduce that even more if you use it and that is how I always used a siphon-feed for modeling.

The only reason I`d want another A/B is for doing fine detail work, like what I heard about Iwata`s.

Badger airbrushes will do everything the Iwatas will and for less money. I would look at the new Krome or the Velocity if you want a good detail airbrush. The Sotar 20/20 as well although it has a much smaller cup.

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Friday, November 11, 2011 5:08 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

Badger airbrushes will do everything the Iwatas will and for less money. I would look at the new Krome or the Velocity if you want a good detail airbrush. The Sotar 20/20 as well although it has a much smaller cup.

 

That`s what I thought...I can get a pretty thin line going with my 150 but I was hearing guys talking about Iwata`s being the best at fine detail like it was a fact, not their opinion. No matter what new A/B I try I always go back to the 150.

As to my original comment on this thread, I`m really no "cheapskate" and like using the model paints. I just want to know WHY we are paying so much per oz!  Does Testor`s manufacture their own paint or do they re-bottle someone else`s?  This is a pet peeve with me ( if you hadn`t noticed)...Big Smile  And...I got to ACMoore`s today and picked up a few bottles of craft paint...black, earth and olive. I`m trying to finish up a kit for the Japanese A/C  GB but after that, I`ll b tinkering....Wink

Len

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Posted by mgh on Friday, November 11, 2011 5:44 PM

troublemaker66

 

And...I got to ACMoore`s today and picked up a few bottles of craft paint...black, earth and olive. I`m trying to finish up a kit for the Japanese A/C  GB but after that, I`ll b tinkering....Wink

Len

Please post back with your results!

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Posted by atlrus on Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:50 PM

And what does the last 1/2 of this thread have to do with Tamiya paints being delayed?!?

It would be nice if you guys didn't spam this thread for those of us who would like to keep up with the actual topic on hand...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:45 PM

Tamiya paints are not yet in any of the Chicago area hobby shops I have checked.

 

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Posted by usmc1371 on Monday, November 14, 2011 4:55 AM

This delay seems to be awfully long for a "labeling" change.  I wonder if there is something that's actually in the paint that is now causing issues?  Maybe Tamiya had to change their formula to meet current health standards.  Didn't they change their formula back in the '80s or something?  

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, November 14, 2011 4:56 AM

[quote user="atlrus"]

And what does the last 1/2 of this thread have to do with Tamiya paints being delayed?!?

It would be nice if you guys didn't spam this thread for those of us who would like to keep up with the actual topic on hand...

Ok...let`s get back on topic...now where were we ?  Oh yeah...staring at our mailboxes waiting for paint to arrive....Wink I can quote some other`s remarks on this thread that have nothing to do with the delay too...it`s called conversation...every thread I`ve ever replied to gets a little off track...maybe you should check out what I`m saying before  you accuse people of spamming a thread.

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Posted by Phil_H on Monday, November 14, 2011 5:29 AM

usmc1371
Didn't they change their formula back in the '80s or something?  

Indeed they did, and before the change (mid-late 80's), it was a brilliant paint to brush-paint with. Confused

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, November 14, 2011 5:38 AM

Troblemaker,Maplewood Hobby up in Maplewood has a good stock in now,including XF-60 and thinner,call 1st to make sure.Also I noticed that www.greatmodels.com got some stock in last week.

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Posted by zokissima on Monday, November 14, 2011 11:49 AM

I haven't gone to my LHS in a few months, as I stocked up on Tamiya paints a while back, and my model output has been relatively slow. Having said that, I'll be making a trip down pretty soon, so hopefully they'll have something in stock.

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Posted by El Taino on Monday, November 14, 2011 12:23 PM

And I thought I was cheap. Back in the 80's my 1st 2 or 3 jobs were at hardware stores where paint was custom made using charts to see how much of X or Y pigments was needed to make a certain color. Nowadays computers took the guessing work away. I'm a cheapo, I admit it. But using enamels from a hardware store was not my idea of modeling. In fact, the main reason I did quit modeling aircraft and armor back then was the lack of military colors. Just a few OD, Wood, etc from the square bottles at my local KB Toys.

Then to stay in the hobby I started to model 1/24 cars which for the most part were Red, Blue, Orange, Yellow which I had available from Testors at the local pharmacy, and other rare colors were available at the Dupli-Color section of my Western Auto store. Hardware store enamels are not the same as those from Humbrol, MM or Craft Paints are not the same as PollyS, Acryl, Tamiya. Starting by the pigments used to manufacture them Rust-Oleum OD might be the same OD in MM, but they are made for different applications. A $3+ jar of paint depending on the subject and scale can go a long way. I might have paid $15.00 on a kit, but my time and dedication is worth more; so I wont be cutting corners on the most important aspect of building a model, the finish. Just my opinion.

As for Tamiya still behind, I have a mix of of Acryl and Tamiya in my stash, they are simply loosing my business.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Monday, November 14, 2011 3:10 PM

atlrus

And what does the last 1/2 of this thread have to do with Tamiya paints being delayed?!?

It would be nice if you guys didn't spam this thread for those of us who would like to keep up with the actual topic on hand...

Every thread on here veers away from the subject to an extent. It's what happens when fellow modelers converse. Big Smile

I am sure there will be plenty of posts about Tamiya paints to keep everyone informed.

Mike

 

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, November 14, 2011 3:20 PM

Tojo72

Troblemaker,Maplewood Hobby up in Maplewood has a good stock in now,including XF-60 and thinner,call 1st to make sure.Also I noticed that www.greatmodels.com got some stock in last week.

I know where Maplewood is but not sure where that HS is located. If I`m out that way I usually go to AAA Hobbies in Magnolia. That`s the same location for Steven`s International. It`s a real HS and they have anything you could ever want for modeling there. Have you ever been there? There`s a few "old time" HS`s around but not many. There`s another good one in Pitman...think it`s called Bob`s Hobby`s...an old shop with some vintage kits on the shelves along with new goodies. Thanks for the heads up Tojo!

Len

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, November 14, 2011 4:00 PM

El Taino

And I thought I was cheap. Back in the 80's my 1st 2 or 3 jobs were at hardware stores where paint was custom made using charts to see how much of X or Y pigments was needed to make a certain color. Nowadays computers took the guessing work away. I'm a cheapo, I admit it. But using enamels from a hardware store was not my idea of modeling. In fact, the main reason I did quit modeling aircraft and armor back then was the lack of military colors. Just a few OD, Wood, etc from the square bottles at my local KB Toys.

Then to stay in the hobby I started to model 1/24 cars which for the most part were Red, Blue, Orange, Yellow which I had available from Testors at the local pharmacy, and other rare colors were available at the Dupli-Color section of my Western Auto store. Hardware store enamels are not the same as those from Humbrol, MM or Craft Paints are not the same as PollyS, Acryl, Tamiya. Starting by the pigments used to manufacture them Rust-Oleum OD might be the same OD in MM, but they are made for different applications. A $3+ jar of paint depending on the subject and scale can go a long way. I might have paid $15.00 on a kit, but my time and dedication is worth more; so I wont be cutting corners on the most important aspect of building a model, the finish. Just my opinion.

As for Tamiya still behind, I have a mix of of Acryl and MM Acryl in my stash, they are simply loosing my business.

Maybe I`m lucky but I`ve never had a problem using the enamels I bought at the hardware store. I thin them down just like the MM paints, shoot `em through my A/B just like MM paints and they stick to the model just like them too. As to cutting corners, I`m not skipping a step, I`m finishing my kit the same way I always do.

I also said earlier, I can stretch a bottle of model paint like the best of `em and they definately go a long way. I guess my point is , where does anyone get off charging 4 bucks ($3.85 +/-) for a 1/2 oz. of paint? That`s my gripe...no one else ever had that thought go through their mind? AND... I`m hoping to discover an alternative. I`ve been modeling 30 some years now...I know to use plastic friendly paint. My time is important to me too, as is my cabbage..Wink

That said, I have a complete set of MM enamels...some are a few years old...and were a lot less expensive when I bought them `cause the $2.50 price stickers are still on the lid..lol. So, when I go to pick up a new bottle, I get a little peeved.I also have an almost complete set of Tamiya paints with a lot of surplus bottles in certain colors and this delay isn`t affecting my modeling. I`ve come to like the Tamiya acrylics over the MM enamels because they`re easier to work with, my opinion, and less toxic fumes.

I`m not saying anything negative about any model paints, they`ve all worked well for me. I just don`t like going to the store and seeing a price increase every time I walk through the door.

Lets get back on track...don`t want to be accused of spamming the thread again..Big Smile

Len

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Posted by GreenThumb on Monday, November 14, 2011 6:24 PM

troublemaker66

 

I guess my point is , where does anyone get off charging 4 bucks ($3.85 +/-) for a 1/2 oz. of paint? That`s my gripe...no one else ever had that thought go through their mind?

Sure I have but that is how everything is. Is 1 gallon of house paint worth $30? Do you think there is $40 worth of plastic in a kit?

How about cars? The markup is astronomical on just about everything and paint is no different.

Mike

 

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, November 14, 2011 7:25 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

 

I guess my point is , where does anyone get off charging 4 bucks ($3.85 +/-) for a 1/2 oz. of paint? That`s my gripe...no one else ever had that thought go through their mind?

 

Sure I have but that is how everything is. Is 1 gallon of house paint worth $30? Do you think there is $40 worth of plastic in a kit?

How about cars? The markup is astronomical on just about everything and paint is no different.

No kiddin` Mike but we were discussing paint. There`s plenty of things that are out of hand price wise...a gallon of milk at $4.29 ?Who`d a thunk it?  And house paint...$30 a gallon compared to model paint at over 900 bucks a gallon, makes it seem dirt cheap. Obviously there`s not 40 bucks worth of plastic in a kit, that was a silly thing to ask me. You`re paying for the transformation of that plastic into a kit and all the means necessary to put it on the store shelves...plus a sometime hefty mark up from the retailer. It would be interesting to me to know just how much the plastic in a kit actually costs the manufacturer out of curiosity.

This is starting to get old now, I`m re-explaining my opinion over again and that`s just my opinion on the price of those paints. You`re happy paying that much, ok with me. You can make statements implying I`m like a woman or a terrible modeler because I`m just wasting my time if I finish my kits with any other paint than the exceptable brands. My kits come out just fine and there are quite a few posted on these forums if you care to look for them. We`re modelers, we`re supposed to try different things, experiment and improve our skills, right? You don`t agree with me about using different paint ? It`s all good bro!

Let`s move on...get back to watching our mailboxes for that darn Tamiya paint before the "Spam copper" writes us another warning..lol.

Len 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Monday, November 14, 2011 8:06 PM

anyways. paint is being shipped. so, keep checking with your shop. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by buff on Monday, November 14, 2011 8:28 PM

zokissima

I haven't gone to my LHS in a few months, as I stocked up on Tamiya paints a while back, and my model output has been relatively slow. Having said that, I'll be making a trip down pretty soon, so hopefully they'll have something in stock.

Hey Zoran, good to hear from you.  Are you still in Montreal?  If so, what lhs do you use?  Hobby Jonction has a full load of Tamiya, including some newer ones.  I haven't had the chance to check out anywhere else in months.

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Posted by atlrus on Monday, November 14, 2011 9:21 PM

I can quote some other`s remarks on this thread that have nothing to do with the delay too...it`s called conversation...every thread I`ve ever replied to gets a little off track...maybe you should check out what I`m saying before  you accuse people of spamming a thread.

No, it's called hijacking the thread. There is a reason every forum is branched into threads - so people can keep each conversation on topic. You can always start a new thread about the price of model paints, I am sure lots of us would participate.

I would love to follow this thread and get emails when someone posts, so I know what's up with Tamiya paints, but all this bickering about the price of paint is really filling up my inbox with spam. Bang Head

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, November 14, 2011 9:37 PM

atlrus

I can quote some other`s remarks on this thread that have nothing to do with the delay too...it`s called conversation...every thread I`ve ever replied to gets a little off track...maybe you should check out what I`m saying before  you accuse people of spamming a thread.

No, it's called hijacking the thread. There is a reason every forum is branched into threads - so people can keep each conversation on topic. You can always start a new thread about the price of model paints, I am sure lots of us would participate.

I would love to follow this thread and get emails when someone posts, so I know what's up with Tamiya paints, but all this bickering about the price of paint is really filling up my inbox with spam. Bang Head

You`re wrong. I don`t think you know what spam is. We`re talking about paint, it might `ve gotten away a little from the exact topic but so what. If you see my name in the post, delete it. I`m hijacking a thread about paint by talking about paint? Get over yourself noob.

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Posted by montague on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:14 AM

I think thay you should get over yourself Len! Yours is not the only valid opinion and you have no right to talk that way to someone expressing their opinion especially a new person. All are welcome here.. Fine,  model paint is in fact VERY expensive per jar! You are right.  Don't buy them if you don't want to.

Back to the original thread, when are the Tamiya paints in fact supposed to be available in any real capacity? Model master and Vallejo pretty much are just fine with me though. Tamiya are just habit. I saw that the white from them that was available most recently was very watered down compared to the old formula. I hope that that is not true for all the new colors.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:11 AM

montague

I think thay you should get over yourself Len! Yours is not the only valid opinion and you have no right to talk that way to someone expressing their opinion especially a new person. All are welcome here.. Fine,  model paint is in fact VERY expensive per jar! You are right.  Don't buy them if you don't want to.

Listen, I`m not the one making accusations.All are welcome but get a little experience on the forums to get a feel for them before telling someone they`re spamming/hi-jacking a thread. There isn`t one multi-paged thread that stayed 100% on topic since I joined. AND, I dare you to find one that does! I said several times that it`s just my opinion and if you don`t agree it`s all good so where do you get that I think my opinion is the only valid one? I also said I was done with this but no one will let it die !

BTW...Welcome Sign to the forums,,,lol!

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Posted by El Taino on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:18 AM

Something I did learned in a year as a temporary employee at Weathon Plastics (graveyard shift in Puerto Rico) is that often times a product container can be more expensive that the product inside. They also had a building for glass bottle manufacturing, but I never got to see it in action because they only ran 1st and 2nd shifts.

 

Back to the topic, 2 of my closest Hobby Shops as of yesterday Monday told me that they are getting Tamiya paints with their new label but in small quantities. For the moment they have some X-20 Thinner.

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Posted by atlrus on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:29 AM

troublemaker66

 

 

You`re wrong. I don`t think you know what spam is. We`re talking about paint, it might `ve gotten away a little from the exact topic but so what. If you see my name in the post, delete it. I`m hijacking a thread about paint by talking about paint? Get over yourself noob.

 

{rant}

Noob or not, I am a paid member here, so my opinion is just as valid as someone with no life :)

Maybe if people like you would learn to keep conversations on topic we could get one thread without hijacking. This thread is about Tamiya being delayed again, not about how much a gallon of paint costs at Lowes, which I could give 2 poops about. If you can't differentiate between these two very different topics, may I suggest some Riddlin to help you focus?

{/rant}

 

Anyhow, I am still getting no love from SprueBros, one would think they would be one of the first to get a shipment of Tamiya. Anyone who has bought the new stock at their LHS - any noticeably difference?

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Posted by randypandy831 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:31 PM

every thread on every forum gets off topic at one point. get use to it. welcome to the forum world. 

 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by RESlusher on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:33 PM

Hey look!  A rabbit!  Cowboy

Richard S.

On the bench:  AFV Club M730A1 Chaparral

On deck:  Tamiya Marder 1A2

In the hole:  Who knows what's next!

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:36 PM

Careful Big Red One... you'll be accused of spamming about rabbits...Surprise Was it painted with new Tamiya paints?

 

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Posted by GreenThumb on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:39 PM

Spam, spam, spam, wonderful spam.

Sorry, I had a Monty Python attack. Big Smile

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Posted by RESlusher on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:39 PM

But of course!  Why else would I talk about it here?!  Wink

 

Richard S.

On the bench:  AFV Club M730A1 Chaparral

On deck:  Tamiya Marder 1A2

In the hole:  Who knows what's next!

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:43 PM

atlrus

 troublemaker66:

 

 

You`re wrong. I don`t think you know what spam is. We`re talking about paint, it might `ve gotten away a little from the exact topic but so what. If you see my name in the post, delete it. I`m hijacking a thread about paint by talking about paint? Get over yourself noob.

 

 

{rant}

Noob or not, I am a paid member here, so my opinion is just as valid as someone with no life :)

Maybe if people like you would learn to keep conversations on topic we could get one thread without hijacking. This thread is about Tamiya being delayed again, not about how much a gallon of paint costs at Lowes, which I could give 2 poops about. If you can't differentiate between these two very different topics, may I suggest some Riddlin to help you focus?

Fortunately for you, I`m one of a kind...Big Smile Unfortunately, you`ll never see a thread on these forums stay 100% on topic...just the nature of people chatting on line to stray  a little. It never occured to me that my initial post would be seen as hi-jacking nor did I think I`d get so many replies to it. So, my apologies for that. Good luck with Tamiya and their shipping or whatever is causing the delay.

Len    P.S.  I`ll be lurking to make sure you stay on topic...GeekedBig SmileWink

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:00 PM

atlrus

 

 troublemaker66:

 

 

 

You`re wrong. I don`t think you know what spam is. We`re talking about paint, it might `ve gotten away a little from the exact topic but so what. If you see my name in the post, delete it. I`m hijacking a thread about paint by talking about paint? Get over yourself noob.

 

 

 

{rant}

Noob or not, I am a paid member here, so my opinion is just as valid as someone with no life :)

Maybe if people like you would learn to keep conversations on topic we could get one thread without hijacking. This thread is about Tamiya being delayed again, not about how much a gallon of paint costs at Lowes, which I could give 2 poops about. If you can't differentiate between these two very different topics, may I suggest some Riddlin to help you focus?

{/rant}

 

Anyhow, I am still getting no love from SprueBros, one would think they would be one of the first to get a shipment of Tamiya. Anyone who has bought the new stock at their LHS - any noticeably difference?

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:00 PM

anyone thinned with their lacquer and see different results? i heard it cures a lot better then using X-20.

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:00 PM

randypandy831

every thread on every forum gets off topic at one point. get use to it. welcome to the forum world. 

 

Amen, my friend Big Smile

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:05 PM

RESlusher

Hey look!  A rabbit!  Cowboy

Off Topic...unless he`s delivering Tamiya paint...Eats

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:05 PM

randypandy831

anyone thinned with their lacquer and see different results? i heard it cures a lot better then using X-20.

I have read that it gives a tougher finish once it cures. Which would be good as in my experience, Tamiya paints are easily scratched and marred even after they cure. Maybe I'll buy me some of their lacquer thinner and find out for myself one day soon.

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:34 PM

stikpusher

 randypandy831:

anyone thinned with their lacquer and see different results? i heard it cures a lot better then using X-20.

 

Tamiya paints are easily scratched and marred even after they cure.

I agree. I have some laquer thinner...not Tamiya`s....gonna give that a shot myself. I never thought it possible to thin acrylics with laquer..kinda like apples and oranges. That`s why I like these forums...learn something new everyday!

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Posted by randypandy831 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:00 PM

i'll give it a try since i got two untouched bottles of tams lacquer. 

anyone know how to mix up gull gray? 

sorry for all the questions. i got it in MM enamel but im out of their thinner and got two fresh bottles of X-20. 

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:39 PM

randypandy831

i'll give it a try since i got two untouched bottles of tams lacquer. 

anyone know how to mix up gull gray? 

sorry for all the questions. i got it in MM enamel but im out of their thinner and got two fresh bottles of X-20. 

I`m not trying to rock the boat here but, I use plain old laquer thinner with my MM paints and NEVER have trouble. The name on the can is Klean strip...got it at walmart or Home Despot, forget which. It`s a half gallon can I think and I transfer it with an old turkey baster. It cost around 14 bucks and lasts a pretty long time. They sell it in pints and quarts if you wanted to try it.

Sorry about questions? That`s what this place is all about...Big Smile

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Posted by randypandy831 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:42 PM

as much as i would like to buy other brand thinners i like supporting my LHS.

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:55 PM

randypandy831

as much as i would like to buy other brand thinners i like supporting my LHS.

Got ya. I don`t have a real HS locally...AAA Hobbies is 50 miles away and get most of my supplies from small shops with a very limited selection and usually have paints but no thinners Hmm

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Posted by randypandy831 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:01 PM

i feel your pain. when i was back in CA all the hobby shops around me only pushed RC products. very very little scale models. monogram is anything. im in NC now and have three different HS i go to. 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:17 PM

randypandy831

i feel your pain. when i was back in CA all the hobby shops around me only pushed RC products. very very little scale models. monogram is anything. im in NC now and have three different HS i go to. 

Just another thought on thinner...you could always ask the HS owner to order the other thinner for you. I know that MM thinner is about a pint can...I was going through them too fast because I used it to clean brushes and airbrush (and everything else) besides thinning my paints. You`d still be supporting your HS and saving some $ in the process. Just a thought Big Smile Did you figure out how to make gull gray yet?

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:43 AM

randypandy831

i feel your pain. when i was back in CA all the hobby shops around me only pushed RC products. very very little scale models. monogram is anything. im in NC now and have three different HS i go to. 

Just another thought on thinner...you could always ask the HS owner to order the other thinner for you. I know that MM thinner is about a pint can...I was going through them too fast because I used it to clean brushes and airbrush (and everything else) besides thinning my paints. You`d still be supporting your HS and saving some $ in the process. Just a thought Big Smile Did you figure out how to make gull gray yet?

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:38 AM

randypandy831

anyone know how to mix up gull gray? 

For FS26440 (USN upper Light Gull Gray);

1 part XF-20 : 1 part XF-2

I would give it a test shot before committing though!

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Posted by randypandy831 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:24 AM

thanks! how about flat gull gray? 

skyraider needs paint soon. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:30 PM

Both the base colors are flat, so that will give you Flat Gull Gray. 36440 is the flat version, 26440 the semi gloss. Unless you add Future of something else for shine to the mix, those ingredients will take care of you.

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:21 PM

i was talking about a tamiya mix though. i got MM enamal both in flat N gloss and im out of thinner. i got lots of tam acrylics and two fresh X-20 bottles. 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:02 PM

randypandy831

i was talking about a tamiya mix though. i got MM enamal both in flat N gloss and im out of thinner. i got lots of tam acrylics and two fresh X-20 bottles. 

What color is X-20? Can`t find it on the Tamiya color charts...they skip from X-19 to X-23 on their site. XF-20 is flat  medium gray so is X-20 semi-gloss medium gray? I don`t use their semi`s too much so I don`t know if the colors are the same, just different finishes.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:04 PM

Milairjunkie

 randypandy831:

anyone know how to mix up gull gray? 

For FS26440 (USN upper Light Gull Gray);

1 part XF-20 : 1 part XF-2

I would give it a test shot before committing though!

This may be a dumb question but, is there a site that has color mixing formulas/info? That would be a really handy thing to have.

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Posted by masonme2 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:10 PM

Back to the original subject of this thread, we got several colors refilled in at our LHS this past week. Looking at the label I noticed a slight difference on the label, the new ones state conforms to ASTM standards. If this was the hang up I can't see why it took so long! Also the e-mail we got from our distributor said more colors are on the way.

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Posted by randypandy831 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:13 PM

troublemaker66

 

 Milairjunkie:

 

 

 randypandy831:

anyone know how to mix up gull gray? 

 

 

For FS26440 (USN upper Light Gull Gray);

1 part XF-20 : 1 part XF-2

I would give it a test shot before committing though!

 

This may be a dumb question but, is there a site that has color mixing formulas/info? That would be a really handy thing to have.

 

 

i've search a couple of them and there is no straight color match witch i know of but none state a mix for the color. im sure someone knows something. 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:17 PM

troublemaker66

 

 randypandy831:

 

.i was talking about a tamiya mix though. i got MM enamal both in flat N gloss and im out of thinner. i got lots of tam acrylics and two fresh X-20 bottles. 

 

What color is X-20? Can`t find it on the Tamiya color charts...they skip from X-19 to X-23 on their site. XF-20 is flat  medium gray so is X-20 semi-gloss medium gray? I don`t use their semi`s too much so I don`t know if the colors are the same, just different finishes.

 

X-20 is their thinner. X-20 is their enamel thinner and X-20A is their acrylic thinner. even though i stated X-20 i got X-20A. no one ever says the A.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:19 PM

troublemaker66

 

This may be a dumb question but, is there a site that has color mixing formulas/info? That would be a really handy thing to have.

Try this one...

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_fs.htm

It has the mixtures of the US colors

 

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:26 PM

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What color is X-20? Can`t find it on the Tamiya color charts...they skip from X-19 to X-23 on their site. XF-20 is flat  medium gray so is X-20 semi-gloss medium gray? I don`t use their semi`s too much so I don`t know if the colors are the same, just different finishes.

X-20, or X-20A to give it's full number code is Tamiya acrylic thinner.

 

With regards to paint charts, there are quite a few out there, but many just give straight equivalents & don't go anywhere near mixes although there are a few that do;

http://www.paint4models.com/  gives straight equivalents including FS numbers & most common brands.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_us.htm Urban's color reference charts give equivalents & mixes - it's very useful

http://www.colorserver.net/ give on-screen chips for FS colors & is pretty comprehensive.

There are a load more out there - to get the gull gray mix for Tamiya, just Google "gull gray+Tamiya" & you'll get about 11,000 hits, the relevant one being the third search result on the first page.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:27 PM

randypandy831

 troublemaker66:

 

X-20 is their thinner. X-20 is their enamel thinner and X-20A is their acrylic thinner. even though i stated X-20 i got X-20A. no one ever says the A.

Well, XF-20 and XF-2 are both flat so you would actually be making flat gull gray  Big Smile

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:43 PM

Milairjunkie

 troublemaker66:

What color is X-20? Can`t find it on the Tamiya color charts...they skip from X-19 to X-23 on their site. XF-20 is flat  medium gray so is X-20 semi-gloss medium gray? I don`t use their semi`s too much so I don`t know if the colors are the same, just different finishes.

 

X-20, or X-20A to give it's full number code is Tamiya acrylic thinner.

 

With regards to paint charts, there are quite a few out there, but many just give straight equivalents & don't go anywhere near mixes although there are a few that do;

http://www.paint4models.com/  gives straight equivalents including FS numbers & most common brands.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_us.htm Urban's color reference charts give equivalents & mixes - it's very useful

http://www.colorserver.net/ give on-screen chips for FS colors & is pretty comprehensive.

There are a load more out there - to get the gull gray mix for Tamiya, just Google "gull gray+Tamiya" & you'll get about 11,000 hits, the relevant one being the third search result on the first page.

You have to love Google! I never thought to try that, thanks! I have the Stockholm charts and a few others, saved in my favorites. I will save the other 2 you sent and peruse them later Big Smile Thanks again!

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:48 PM

stikpusher

 troublemaker66:

 

This may be a dumb question but, is there a site that has color mixing formulas/info? That would be a really handy thing to have.

 

Try this one...

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_fs.htm

It has the mixtures of the US colors

I have that one saved in my fav`s but never really read through the whole thing...didn`t see those mixtures or maybe I just don`t remember seeing them. Definately will check it out . Thanks Stik.

Len

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Posted by randypandy831 on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:03 PM

thanks everyone! 

i got sick of google and used Bing and came across this. 

http://www.ipmsnymburk.com/tamiya%20mixing/MixTamiya.pdf

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, November 18, 2011 1:17 PM

Sick of Google? It is the best search engine bar none. Cool

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, November 18, 2011 1:42 PM

But it is always a good idea to try different search engines at the same time to cast a wider net.

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Friday, November 18, 2011 3:51 PM

i been having good search results with bing lately. 

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, November 18, 2011 6:22 PM

stikpusher

But it is always a good idea to try different search engines at the same time to cast a wider net.

True Carlos but there is a reason all the IT people I know recommend Google. Wink

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Posted by NervousEnergy on Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:26 PM

troublemaker66

 randypandy831:

i'll give it a try since i got two untouched bottles of tams lacquer. 

anyone know how to mix up gull gray? 

sorry for all the questions. i got it in MM enamel but im out of their thinner and got two fresh bottles of X-20. 

 

I`m not trying to rock the boat here but, I use plain old laquer thinner with my MM paints and NEVER have trouble. The name on the can is Klean strip...got it at walmart or Home Despot, forget which. It`s a half gallon can I think and I transfer it with an old turkey baster. It cost around 14 bucks and lasts a pretty long time. They sell it in pints and quarts if you wanted to try it.

Sorry about questions? That`s what this place is all about...Big Smile

Indeed.  I've still manage to make many mistakes on my models since coming back to the hobby that I read about here before making them (seems experience may still be the best teacher), but I've also avoided a fair number due to forum advice!

Tamiya acrylics aren't water based (like Vallejo, for example.)  X-20 is alcohol based with a retarder and flow aid built in.  Tam acylics therefore thin really well with lacquer thinner.  The store based stuff is a bit harsher than the hobby lacquer thinner, but works the same way.  I don't have any experience with Tamiya lacquer thinner, but use Gunze Mr Leveling Thinner all the time now, and I've read they're pretty much interchangeable.  The Gunze product has a pretty strong retarder.   I've sprayed XF-59 and XF-23 with Mr Leveling, and the finish was superb even with my low airbrush experience.  I use the Klean Strip green can to clean the airbrush.

If you're going to go to the trouble of spraying lacquer thinner, though, then I'd point out that Tamiya acrylics and their lack of availability don't matter nearly as much.  Mr Color paints spray just as well, have a much larger color selection, and are readily available.  I'd even say the gloss finish on Mr Color gloss paints is superior to Tamiya (can't tell any difference at all with semi or flat). 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:58 PM

NervousEnergy

 troublemaker66:

 randypandy831:

i'll give it a try since i got two untouched bottles of tams lacquer. 

anyone know how to mix up gull gray? 

sorry for all the questions. i got it in MM enamel but im out of their thinner and got two fresh bottles of X-20. 

 

I`m not trying to rock the boat here but, I use plain old laquer thinner with my MM paints and NEVER have trouble. The name on the can is Klean strip...got it at walmart or Home Despot, forget which. It`s a half gallon can I think and I transfer it with an old turkey baster. It cost around 14 bucks and lasts a pretty long time. They sell it in pints and quarts if you wanted to try it.

Sorry about questions? That`s what this place is all about...Big Smile

 

Indeed.  I've still manage to make many mistakes on my models since coming back to the hobby that I read about here before making them (seems experience may still be the best teacher), but I've also avoided a fair number due to forum advice!

Tamiya acrylics aren't water based (like Vallejo, for example.)  X-20 is alcohol based with a retarder and flow aid built in.  Tam acylics therefore thin really well with lacquer thinner.  The store based stuff is a bit harsher than the hobby lacquer thinner, but works the same way.  I don't have any experience with Tamiya lacquer thinner, but use Gunze Mr Leveling Thinner all the time now, and I've read they're pretty much interchangeable.  The Gunze product has a pretty strong retarder.   I've sprayed XF-59 and XF-23 with Mr Leveling, and the finish was superb even with my low airbrush experience.  I use the Klean Strip green can to clean the airbrush.

If you're going to go to the trouble of spraying lacquer thinner, though, then I'd point out that Tamiya acrylics and their lack of availability don't matter nearly as much.  Mr Color paints spray just as well, have a much larger color selection, and are readily available.  I'd even say the gloss finish on Mr Color gloss paints is superior to Tamiya (can't tell any difference at all with semi or flat). 

Like I said earlier, I never knew you could use laquer thinner with Tamiya acrylics let alone try it. I thin my Tamiya paint with 99% alcohol and have absolutely no problems.I`m all about trying new things though so I may just give it a shot. I`d also love to try Mr. Color paints but no one has them where I live, just Humbrol,Tamiya and the Testor`s line. I`m sure AAA hobbies has them but don`t get out there much...104 mile round trip. My area isn`t very "modeler friendly"...lol.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:15 PM

troublemaker66

 

 

 I thin my Tamiya paint with 99% alcohol and have absolutely no problems.

 

Do they sell 99% Isopropyl alcohol? I use 91% and they also sell 70% but I have never seen 99%.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:28 PM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

 

 

 I thin my Tamiya paint with 99% alcohol and have absolutely no problems.

 

 

Do they sell 99% Isopropyl alcohol? I use 91% and they also sell 70% but I have never seen 99%.

Good question...I`ve been looking in stores for 99% but only seem to find 50- 91% alcohol. I get the 99% from work...we use it for cleaning fiber optic cables.

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Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, November 19, 2011 6:29 PM

Len, Mike usually uses ethyl alcohol, not Isopropyl. There is a definite difference in how they behave. ethyl seems "wetter" than Iso, and using ethyl, you can thin the paint out a lot further than you can when using Iso.

We can get 99% Iso here in Australia, but it's almost as expensive as the genuine Tamiya X-20A Indifferent

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Posted by NervousEnergy on Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:06 PM

Phil_H

Len, Mike usually uses ethyl alcohol, not Isopropyl. There is a definite difference in how they behave. ethyl seems "wetter" than Iso, and using ethyl, you can thin the paint out a lot further than you can when using Iso.

We can get 99% Iso here in Australia, but it's almost as expensive as the genuine Tamiya X-20A Indifferent

I tend to use the brand specific thinner when I paint, as I don't build that fast and the cost winds up being negligable.  The big bottle of Mr Leveling Thinner has now thinned paint for two 1/32 scale builds, and I've hardly dented it.  At this rate I'll replace it in 2016. 

Having said that I do have some 99% Iso, but that's in my computer parts drawer (my other hobby.)  It's used to clean thermal compound off the top of CPUs when changing the cooler.  Got it at Frys, so if you'd like to try it for thinning paint look at Frys, Microcenter, or good old Radio Shack.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:34 PM

Phil_H

Len, Mike usually uses ethyl alcohol, not Isopropyl. There is a definite difference in how they behave. ethyl seems "wetter" than Iso, and using ethyl, you can thin the paint out a lot further than you can when using Iso.

We can get 99% Iso here in Australia, but it's almost as expensive as the genuine Tamiya X-20A Indifferent

Mike just said he uses 91% Iso. To be honest Phil, I only ever heard ethyl alcohol as petrol additive. I wouldn`t even know where to buy it. I`d have to take your word on the ethyl. I`d sure like to test what you`re saying though...couldn`t imagine something that could work better than the Iso has for me and if there was, I`d surely switch, as long as I had access to it. I guess the Iso alcohol dries faster than ethyl? Is there really a big difference between the two? I`m learning a lot from this thread!

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Posted by GreenThumb on Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:02 PM

troublemaker66

 

 Phil_H:

 

Len, Mike usually uses ethyl alcohol, not Isopropyl. There is a definite difference in how they behave. ethyl seems "wetter" than Iso, and using ethyl, you can thin the paint out a lot further than you can when using Iso.

We can get 99% Iso here in Australia, but it's almost as expensive as the genuine Tamiya X-20A Indifferent

 

Mike just said he uses 91% Iso. To be honest Phil, I only ever heard ethyl alcohol as petrol additive. I wouldn`t even know where to buy it. I`d have to take your word on the ethyl. I`d sure like to test what you`re saying though...couldn`t imagine something that could work better than the Iso has for me and if there was, I`d surely switch, as long as I had access to it. I guess the Iso alcohol dries faster than ethyl? Is there really a big difference between the two? I`m learning a lot from this thread!

 

Yes I have 91% Iso but that is more for cleaning. Phil is correct, I thin Tamiya acrylics with 70% Ethyl alcohol. It works good I think.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:25 AM

GreenThumb

 troublemaker66:

 

 Phil_H 

 

Yes I have 91% Iso but that is more for cleaning. Phil is correct, I thin Tamiya acrylics with 70% Ethyl alcohol. It works good I think.

Where do you get  your ethyl alcohol? I`ll have to pay more attention to the labels in the future...might`ve had ethyl in my hands, thinking it wasn`t a high-enough percentage iso to use.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:11 AM

I bought my ethyl alcohol at Rite Aid drug store. The label says, "Ethyl Rubbing Alcohol 70%"

 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:40 AM

GreenThumb

I bought my ethyl alcohol at Rite Aid drug store. The label says, "Ethyl Rubbing Alcohol 70%"

 

Great! I have plenty of Rite Aids, Walgreens and other drug stores around me...I`ll pick some up on my way back from tagging our family Christmas tree...Gift

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Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:32 PM

I've been told many times that ethyl works better then iso.

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Posted by stymye on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:10 PM

Tamiya   is an acrylic lacquer(or Lacquer acrylic if such a thing exists) , it makes no sense to thin it with alcohol

whoever came up with that idea has no idea why im sure ,   their lacquer thinner (yellow top)works best , even the Tamiya website recommends it for best results... and it definitively does give the best results by a mile !.. The Tamiya Lacquer thinner is designed for plastic , it's not pure  strong Lacquer and contains more than pure Lacquer , so  be careful using a plain harsh Lacquer from the  hardware store, .

.. to be honest Tamiya is  barely an acrylic , but it does contain some acrylic binder so I guess they feel that is enough to call it acrylic paint...lol

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Posted by GreenThumb on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:23 PM

stymye

Tamiya   is an acrylic lacquer(or Lacquer acrylic if such a thing exists) , it makes no sense to thin it with alcohol

Yes these look horrible from thinning Tamiya acrylics with 70% ethyl alcohol. Whistling

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Posted by Griffin on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:26 PM

GreenThumb

 

 stymye:

 

Tamiya   is an acrylic lacquer(or Lacquer acrylic if such a thing exists) , it makes no sense to thin it with alcohol

 

 

Yes these look horrible from thinning Tamiya acrylics with 70% ethyl alcohol. Whistling

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:46 PM

GreenThumb

 stymye:

Tamiya   is an acrylic lacquer(or Lacquer acrylic if such a thing exists) , it makes no sense to thin it with alcohol

 

Yes these look horrible from thinning Tamiya acrylics with 70% ethyl alcohol. Whistling

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Yeah Mike...terrible finish..lol.  When I open a bottle of Tamiya acrylic...I smell alcohol, not laquer. It really sucks that I`ve been using them all wrong all these years...Wink

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Posted by randypandy831 on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:36 PM

oh trust me..i know the smell of tamiya lacquer and their acrylics don't smell anything close to lacquer. 

lacquer over powers alcohol any day of the week. my point is if it was really lacquer based their regular thinner wouldn't do a thing. 

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:12 AM

stymye

Tamiya   is an acrylic lacquer(or Lacquer acrylic if such a thing exists) , it makes no sense to thin it with alcohol

whoever came up with that idea has no idea why im sure ,  , .

Open a bottle of Tamiya acrylic, take a sniff....my nose says alcohol...now you can be sure that`s why I use alcohol to thin my paint. Now, if the good people at Tamiya recommended you go to the nearest bridge and jump.....? A long time ago, I asked people on this forum, other forums and did my own searching about the thinning issue we`re having here and the answer 99% of the time was "alcohol". I took the advice and been running with it ever since. If things have changed since then, ok, wasn`t aware until now, but I`m still going to use what I use until I verify all this new info. What company doesn`t recommend their own thinners for their paint?  Nothing has ever happened to my MM paints while using regular ol` Klean and Strip and the same with Tamiya and alcohol so what "makes no sense" to you makes perfect sense to me.

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by usmc1371 on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:36 AM

I tried using Lacquer thinner but I'm still overweight. Wink

 

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:56 AM

stymye

Tamiya   is an acrylic lacquer(or Lacquer acrylic if such a thing exists) , it makes no sense to thin it with alcohol

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.. to be honest Tamiya is  barely an acrylic , but it does contain some acrylic binder so I guess they feel that is enough to call it acrylic paint...lol

At one time (in the early 80's), Tamiya did actually list the constituents of the paint:

Water Soluble Acrylic Resin - 40.3%
Pigment                               - 14.1%
Alcohol                                -  19.9%
Water                                  -  25.7%

I'm sure the formulation has changed since then, but it wouldn't be too different. It is most definitely an acrylic, but in the end, it doesn't really matter what you call it as long as it works. I have thinned Tamiya acrylics with water, IPA, ethyl (denatured) alcohol, Tamiya X-20A thinner, Tamiya Lacquer thinner, Mr Color thinner. All give usable results, each has its pros and cons. What it means is that Tamiya's acrylics are remarkably flexible in what thinner you can use (and no, the type of thinner does not determine whether a paint is acrylic or not) and allows you to pick and choose depending on the application and the effect you want to achieve.

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Posted by El Taino on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:02 AM

GreenThumb

 

 stymye:

 

Tamiya   is an acrylic lacquer(or Lacquer acrylic if such a thing exists) , it makes no sense to thin it with alcohol

 

 

Yes these look horrible from thinning Tamiya acrylics with 70% ethyl alcohol. Whistling

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/MikeV/P-47D%20Thunderbolt%20Photos/Thunderbolt_600x450.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/MikeV/F-16%20IAF%20Build/2007_1205IsraeliF-16A0001.jpg

 

'nother horrible finish with off-the-shlef .99 cents 70% alcohol with Tamiya Paints Confused

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Posted by randypandy831 on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:02 AM

that F4....what a beauty.

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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