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"Death in the Courtyard" *finished, more pics, page 15*

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  • From: Boston MA
Posted by vespa boy on Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:35 PM
Thats a lot better Manny. It looks like its made of wood now. I really like how you have aged the lower part more than the upper sections. I would suggest a little toning down of the whitewash to just reduce the starkness of it, and a bit more weathering on the flatbed...it would have had scuffs and gouges from use, and the planks would be greying between the joins. You may be outside your confort zone, but it doesn't look over weathered. Stay brave.

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Posted by panzerguy on Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:37 PM
  Throw some hay and a couple of top heavy blondes in there and that thing will be perfectTongue [:P]

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Posted by dupes on Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:58 PM

Looking really good to me, Manny. Thumbs Up [tup]

Top heavy blondes...heh. Wink [;)]

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Posted by acmodeler01 on Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:13 PM
Oh yeah, Manny, that looks great now! I really like the wheels better too! I'll echo the "not over-weathered" remark, it looks fine.
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Posted by the doog on Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:33 PM

YES!!!! Cool [8D]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]!!!!

That's the ticket, Manny!

WOW! That looks great! It really looks old and weather-beaten! The wheels too--OUTSTANDING!

You get an "Honorary Weatherhead" cartificate for this one, Feld-Marschal! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by sfcmac on Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:43 PM
 I agree! Very realistic and well done ! If it wasn't on the plastic lid I'd think it was an actual wagon!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 23, 2008 1:49 PM
 the doog wrote:

YES!!!! Cool [8D]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]!!!!

That's the ticket, Manny!

WOW! That looks great! It really looks old and weather-beaten! The wheels too--OUTSTANDING!

You get an "Honorary Weatherhead" cartificate for this one, Feld-Marschal! Big Smile [:D]

Thanks, guys !!! You don't know how close I came to tossing that wagon last night and having the three GI's hiding behind a port-o-pottie instead...I thought I had ruined it on several different occassion (paint lifing, washes bleeding, etc...).Censored [censored]   I was about to DX it when I decided to pull out the "wicker white" and try covering it with a rough coat of whitewash...about a half-hour later of cursing and painting, I looked at it and thought, "that may be the ticket!", but needed confirmation from the Forum "gang" that I just wasn't going insane...I must have over 100 layers of washes on this war-wagon...

I even discovered a cool trick to get a peeled whitewash: slather the cursed wagon in white acrylic paint...let sit for five minutes, then plunge said wagon into a tumbler full of cold water and swish it around...pull out and let air-dry...that's basically what you are seeing (although I did it three time)...still need a little detail clean-up, but MAN...ya'll don't know how relieved I am that all of you feel it looks okay...Big Smile [:D]...whew!

Special thanks to RickLawler, doog and Vespa for "pushing" me outta my comfort zone a little...they were right... 

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Posted by Mobious on Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:53 PM

 Hello,

 Very nice! Grab some apple cider, a tractor, throw in some hay and it looks like a "Hay Ride". Looks great, MR. The weather beaten wood is top notch. A little more steel color in the wheels would be nice.

 Looking forward to updates.

 Best Regards,

 Mobious

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:49 PM
 Mobious wrote:

 Hello,

 Very nice! Grab some apple cider, a tractor, throw in some hay and it looks like a "Hay Ride". Looks great, MR. The weather beaten wood is top notch. A little more steel color in the wheels would be nice.

 Looking forward to updates.

 Best Regards,

 Mobious

Thanks, sfcmac--what do you mean plastic lid?---that's the base! ...just kidding...

Thanks, Mobious...actually I will add graphite to the wheel face where it would contact the ground to give it a recently used look...the hay-stack will be added once the wagon is in place...thanks for looking in!

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Posted by Mobious on Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:12 PM

 panzerguy wrote:
  Throw some hay and a couple of top heavy blondes in there and that thing will be perfectTongue [:P]

 Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

 Remember, NO NUDITY! LOL.

 Best Regards,

 Mobious

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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  • From: AusTx, Live Music Capitol of the World
Posted by SteveM on Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:18 AM

Not only does the wagon look fantastic, your pictures have improved as well. Whatever you may have done with the settings, it worked. The images are much more true to life.

That wagon really does look great. Kudos for stickin' with it, and congrats on a great result.

 

Steve M.

On the workbench: ginormous Kharkov dio

 

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Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, October 26, 2008 4:13 PM
Most excellent Manny! Just cant stop looking at that wagon. It just looks so damn real!! Will have to try the acrylics/cold water trick one day, sounds pretty neat.

Eric

 

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  • From: New Jersey
Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:15 PM

Manny - Looks FANTASTIC!!!!!!!  We have all had those moments where we were ready to send the model to the cannibal point. Sometimes it's best to walk away rather than throw away. In your case your fought through and came up with a winner.

I think it has gone from trash to a focal point.

Very niceThumbs Up [tup]

Rounds Complete!!

 

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 7, 2008 12:43 PM

Thanks, guys. 

A quick update now that I am past my wagon fright...glued sprue "re-bar" down on the dio base to provide something for the celluclay to "bite" into...elevated the small building and water pump so that the celluclay wouldn't ride high on them...also wanted to show a little bit of undercut on the pump base where water has eroded around it over the years (something I have seen a lot in Europe)

...started experimenting also on how to best fill the wagon with hay...found that the stock length of material I had needed to be cut into shorter pieces for it to "lay right"...will add more hay to this base layer as I progress...thinking of "setting" it with dullcoat...

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Posted by SteveM on Friday, November 7, 2008 5:18 PM

Very interesting technique. It's all coming together, gonna look real cool.

Steve

 

Steve M.

On the workbench: ginormous Kharkov dio

 

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  • From: League City, Texas
Posted by sfcmac on Friday, November 7, 2008 5:56 PM

 Wow that is a vast improvement on the hay! It really looks the part now.  Funny thing was while I was browsing the update my wife saw your sprue (rebar base) She had to ask me what you were thinking? It looks awful! 

I explained to her that is was to make the ground stick to the base and she shrugged and left. 5 minutes later came back and ask for your address. Seems that I had left an old box of sprues and parts in her closet. Thought you could use them for the rest of the countryside! Whistling [:-^]

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  • From: Portland, Oregon
Posted by RickLawler on Friday, November 7, 2008 6:25 PM

I'd say a good deal of good progress, Manny.

 

The sprue/rebar idea is new to me...pretty clever.  Looks like you've gotten the wagon under control.  Another idea for your chipped/worn paint.....give the wagon a light wash of thinner, let sit for a moment, then give it a whitewash using acylics.....wait for a bit, then take masking tape and tap it over the surfaces.  The acrylic paint doesn't want to stick very well over the thinner washed surfaces and the tape will pull off irregular splotches/chips - maybe next time.

Hairspray would work to "style" your hay. 

best,

Rick

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  • From: Relocating
Posted by Mobious on Saturday, November 8, 2008 11:07 AM

 Hello,

 MR, Just 2 things 1)Was wondering if there will be more hay in the wagon, IMO it looks a little on the empty side. 2) Also IMO it needs "weight" for lack of a better word. Not sure if that is what you intend to do by "setting it" with dullcoat.

 The wagon turned out really well. Glad to see you successfully conquered your "fear of the wagon". Looking forward to progress pics on this dio.

 Thanks MR for doing a WIP. Have seen several of your dio's and they always are a pleasure to view.

 Mobious

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:58 PM
 Mobious wrote:

 Hello,

 MR, Just 2 things 1)Was wondering if there will be more hay in the wagon, IMO it looks a little on the empty side. 2) Also IMO it needs "weight" for lack of a better word. Not sure if that is what you intend to do by "setting it" with dullcoat.

 The wagon turned out really well. Glad to see you successfully conquered your "fear of the wagon". Looking forward to progress pics on this dio.

 Thanks MR for doing a WIP. Have seen several of your dio's and they always are a pleasure to view.

 Mobious

Thanks Rick, Steve, Aaaron and Mobious...yes, I will be adding more hay to the wagon...the hay you see in the bottom was just a test to see how it would "lay" after i cut the original lengths of hay into quarters...it seems to look more realistic in shorter lengths and gives the "weightier" look you mentioned...hopefully when I "set" it in place with hairspray or dulcoat it will look even more heavy...glad you are enjoying the build and I hope you like the finished product...
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Posted by smeagol the vile on Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:59 PM
if the finished product is ANYTHING like what you have so far.  We wont be disapointed.

 

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, November 8, 2008 4:34 PM
Looks great, Manny--that rebar idea is comletely unique, IMO. The hay looks good for starters; you should experiment with using a diluted white glue to bond it together--I think you don't want it too "fluffy", but having some weight as it lays. YOu might be able to accomplish this with white glue? Or perhaps even appropriately colored paint?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 10, 2008 11:39 AM
 the doog wrote:
Looks great, Manny--that rebar idea is comletely unique, IMO. The hay looks good for starters; you should experiment with using a diluted white glue to bond it together--I think you don't want it too "fluffy", but having some weight as it lays. YOu might be able to accomplish this with white glue? Or perhaps even appropriately colored paint?
Thanks, doog...I'm gonna experiement around before I do the whole stack...I think that the dull-coat is my best best so far---might mix some MiG pigs in with it to give the hay a more "dirty" look and also for binding properties...sorta like a dry "whetting" agent...
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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, November 10, 2008 12:58 PM

Hey Manny,

Looking sharp!  One question: is it 'natural' for the tongue of the wagon to stick out the way it does?  I would have assumed it to be hinged and, absent a draft team, that it would rest on the ground? 

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, November 10, 2008 8:18 PM

Roll, roll, roll in the hay....where are the girls at???

Hay....looks great. The usual Manny masterpiece in progress

Rounds Complete!!

"The Moral High Ground....A Great Place to Emplace Artillery."

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 10, 2008 8:29 PM

Thanks, guys...this type of wagon seems to be designed where the "pull pole" only traverses left and right--no "up and down" on this one...got what I feel is the right amount of hay in...tamped it down some and tweezed out the major fly-away pieces...will let it settle overnight and then give her a spray of flat laquer...also added graphite to the contact portions of the metal wheels...things should start happening faster now...working on the semi-nude chick that will be taking cover in the hay while the lead is flying...

 

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Posted by Mobious on Monday, November 10, 2008 10:31 PM

 Hay Manny,

 Really looking good. The wagon is spot on MR.Approve [^] These pics really look great. The finish on the wagon is stunning. Looking forward to seeing the bombshell in the hay!Wink [;)]

 Best Regards,

 Mobious

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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  • From: League City, Texas
Posted by sfcmac on Monday, November 10, 2008 10:44 PM
 Mobious wrote:

 Hay Manny,

 Really looking good. The wagon is spot on MR.Approve [^] These pics really look great. The finish on the wagon is stunning. Looking forward to seeing the bombshell in the hay!Wink [;)]

 Best Regards,

 Mobious

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Especially the part about the bombshell! Tongue [:P] Sex and violence how original! Bow [bow]

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:48 AM

...working on the semi-nude chick that will be taking cover in the hay while the lead is flying..

Allow me to help ya with some reference material...

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  • From: Philadelphia PA
Posted by smeagol the vile on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:38 AM

Roll Roll Roll in ze hay

Cart looks greay manny.  Im just curious how your going to put down the groundwork niceley without getting it all over everything else, masking tape or some such nonsense that I will hear nothing of? 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:23 AM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

...working on the semi-nude chick that will be taking cover in the hay while the lead is flying..

Allow me to help ya with some reference material...

LOL !!!
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