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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 19, 2004 7:08 PM

hmmm, the link seems to work, but for some reason the website does not like to be linked. I think it is your web server. I visited the site and saw the picture, now it shows up fine on the thread. Like I said, this leaves me to believe that the forum does not like your web host. I would suggest just posting links to your photos.

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jkeller

Member since
December 2002
From: Grand Blanc, MI USA

Posted by jkeller on Friday, March 19, 2004 7:37 PM

beav, Are we still on with this build starting 4/5? or are we waiting for the other group builds to wrap up. Just wondering becuase I wanted to order my kit and this build has seem to spark some debate, see "planned builds" post.

Joe

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Friday, March 19, 2004 8:02 PM

You can go ahead and start on The 4th or 5th of April, I all want to know, is if you are going to participate by may 20th. At that time, the GB will be closed to any newcomers-as we don't want an indeffinite length of time for this build. You don't even need to start at april 4/5 just let me know that you want in, and I will add you to the list.

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 19, 2004 10:48 PM

Is there a way that we could have a sub-armor forum just for Gb's. For eaxmple:
Armor
GB's topics

Anyway, Ithink I'll be doing a couple SAS commando jeeps Smile [:)]

I also have an M3A2 halftrack, hmmm anybody got a quarter Tongue [:P]

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rebelreenactor

Member since
October 2003
From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Friday, March 19, 2004 11:21 PM

i'm in

John

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 20, 2004 5:30 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ddayomaha

Is there a way that we could have a sub-armor forum just for Gb's. For eaxmple:
Armor
GB's topics

Anyway, Ithink I'll be doing a couple SAS commando jeeps I also have an M3A2 halftrack, hmmm anybody got a quarter

Saw a great photo in a book of the SAS in action in their jeeps in the desert. Lots of beards. 100% beard to bloke ratio. Make sure your figures have beards. Big Smile [:D]

Matt

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:06 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by phroosh

QUOTE: Originally posted by ddayomaha

Is there a way that we could have a sub-armor forum just for Gb's. For eaxmple:
Armor
GB's topics

Anyway, Ithink I'll be doing a couple SAS commando jeeps I also have an M3A2 halftrack, hmmm anybody got a quarter

Saw a great photo in a book of the SAS in action in their jeeps in the desert. Lots of beards. 100% beard to bloke ratio. Make sure your figures have beards.

Matt

He He He

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:37 PM

I am wondering if there was a lot of Beard Group Pressure in the SAS. Some of those fellows didn't look too comfortable. What if you couldn't grow one? Or if it had funny red patches in it like mine does? War is hell.....

Matt

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:00 PM

You know, when you are driving around in a desert for a few months, and you are in combat ops weekly/daily/hourly take your pick, you might not have the time or the patience, or the water, or the razor, or the mirror to shave(*I think it was the water one the most)
lol
I almost started my M20-but I caught myself so I started on a 25 pdr field gun...

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Monday, March 22, 2004 5:56 PM

April 4th is comin! I hope that all you are waitin!

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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jkeller

Member since
December 2002
From: Grand Blanc, MI USA

Posted by jkeller on Monday, March 22, 2004 8:14 PM

Patiently waiting. I hope my kit gets here in time. Tongue [:P]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 22, 2004 9:00 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by phroosh

I am wondering if there was a lot of Beard Group Pressure in the SAS. Some of those fellows didn't look too comfortable. What if you couldn't grow one? Or if it had funny red patches in it like mine does? War is hell.....

Matt

Kinda like 101st... but not mohawks Tongue [:P]

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:23 PM

lol---i like that-um was it true that the germans spread propaganda that the Americans with mowhawks were insane mass killers?

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:24 PM

Don't worry keller, you can always wait to start on it-just that you are on that list, you can go at it as long as you want

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:07 PM

Hey Beav,
Does a Sdkfz 223 qualify as a small AFV? I have decided that is what I'd like to do.

Matt

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:11 PM

Oh Yeah Phroosh! I was wonderin if someone was gonna do a armored car with me!
You can do that. I want to pick one up myself!
Which one is it? Tamiya?

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:26 PM

Yep it is Tamiya.

I am thinking about going over the top with this one. I borrowed a book on armoured cars, and although the shape of the kit is right, it has a few issues. I was going to do a full, accurate interior, cut ot the moulde in "fresh air screen" below the turret and replace the grenade screens etc. Mine is the old kit without the photoetched screens. Disapprove [V]

Gonna finish it as an eastern front vehicle with winter white wash, and alter the antenna to the stowed position. The box shows it as a Afrika corps vehicle, but I just finished my fourth one of those!

My electrical apprentice is keen to join as well, and he is interested in Russian armour. Anyone got any ideas to inspire him?

Matt

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:34 PM

Hmmmmm, well, does, he want to join this build, or into modelling?
I am inclined to think it is the former, but I am not sure. I believe Tamiya makes a M3 Scout car, and remember that this is all eras, and there is a goodly amount of wheeled pc's from the soviet union. Does he want ww2? I am sure if you post a thread of your own on the main forum, you could get something good. And about those photoetched stuff, I wish I had some of that for my M1, I just hate cutting out that mesh. Tough luck man....

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:36 PM

BUT ON A LIGHTER NOTE, I hope you have great fun with a winter vehicle, haven't done many myself-but you can be creative with the paint scheme-you know mud *there was a lot in russia* or rusting. Whatever floats your boat. Also, I love doing interiors and things, I don't scratchbuild much, but whatever is in my spares box that fits in nice, and is accurate, finds its way onto a model...lol

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:50 PM

Oh, yeah, mostly, whatever the allies had, the russians got some too

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:59 PM

Good point. He is newish to modelling, he is just making his way through his first kit, so was looking for something small and easy, I think. I will get him to post what he is after/thinking!

Matt

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:20 PM

Well Beav since you mentioned you were doing a armoured car,, I think I will join your group build and do the M8 Armoured Car or if that has been chosen already the sd.kfz 222. Heck depending on how quickly it gets done maybe I will do both.

Anyhow let me know.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:28 PM

If you do the 222, we can trade info/problems, Rich, as they are virtually the same.
I have dug up some good references. I like the M8 too, though, lots of AM available.

Matt

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beav

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May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:56 PM

I built Italeri's M8, awesome kit, went together nicely-but I botched it due to the fact that it was my first kit. The wheels, are the correct size I believe, and Tamiya's are to large for scale. That would be awesome, if we could get "brother" or maybe its more like "cousin" vehicles for some of the builds! I myself, am doing the M20-a modified M8-that doesn't have that weird little turret with a dinky 37mm, that was designed as an anti-tank weapon-go figure..

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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beav

Member since
May 2003
From: Ft. Sill, OK

Posted by beav on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:12 PM

Hey Phroosh
The
BA-10
BA-20
BA-64
are all ww2 soviet armoured cars, and if you can't find those, go to the Alanger models link that is usually above there is a lot of cool stuff there-be careful, most is 1:72, but lots lots lots lots of soviet armor is represented lots

"First to Fire!"

Steven

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:23 PM

Phroosh, I happen to have a 222 sitting around waiting to be built. I purchased the interior for the 223 from Ordinance Models and the old Eduard PE set. I intend on doing a full interior myself. I have just been putting it off because I am seriously considering scrapping the kit body and building my own body out of sheet styrene. Perhaps we could swap info. I will have to wait a month for the book I need for my jeep anyway… Could be fun Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:34 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by edog

Phroosh, I happen to have a 222 sitting around waiting to be built. I purchased the interior for the 223 from Ordinance Models and the old Eduard PE set. I intend on doing a full interior myself. I have just been putting it off because I am seriously considering scrapping the kit body and building my own body out of sheet styrene. Perhaps we could swap info. I will have to wait a month for the book I need for my jeep anyway… Could be fun

Definitely! Know what you mean about the body; especially when you want to build an interior! Still I promised myself that I wouldn't go down the complete scratchbuilding road. Does the PE set contain much stuff? Do they offer a replacement for screen behind the turret? That is the bit that I am most in a twist about. Are you doing an engine?

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:46 PM

Phroosh, I am not doing an engine. I actually figured that building the body would not be that hard, but we will have to see. As far as the PE set, check out Eduards site:

http://www.eduard.cz/

If you follow the Products link, then under Photo Etched Set click on the Armored Fighting Vehicles link. The PE set for the 223 is on page 81. Once you find it, you can see pictures of the PE sheets that are included and read the actual instructions. I often use this and Abers site for reference for my own scratch building. SHHHHHHH, don’t tell them that. Wink [;)]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:32 PM

Thanks for the link Edog.

I haven't tried photoetched parts yet, because I find them a bit hard to get. I liked the look of that set, but it sort of only half solves the screen problem; still wrong pattern, and you still have to hack into the model!

Still I might see if it is available here in Oz.

Matt

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:48 PM

well.... Its still PE but you could try an Aber grill. Here is their site if you want to check it out:

http://www.aber.net.pl/ramka_aber_ang.html

Part number S24 looks about as close as you may be able to get. You will still have to do some hacking though. Good luck on finding something.

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