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  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:28 PM

CN, your Walrus looks great. Such a unique looking design.

 

Murph, that’s a very good looking pair of builds. Two Classic Aircraft!

 

Jack, you have some super work (as usual) going on in the cockpit!

 

Well, after numerous speed bumps getting the seat harness on ( seat broke off the base, stick broke off tub, lap belt lost then found hours later, lap belt buckles lost and found, etc. ) I have finally completed the cockpit and have it ready to be glued in place. I also glued the IP in place into the upper fuselage half...

 

 

 

 

 

 

finally some visible progress!!!!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 4:36 PM

Some nice progress at that Stik, looking good.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:24 PM

Hello Stik, thanks for that.  You too, great macro shots of your handiwork in the cockpit.

 

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:48 PM

Jack and Bish, thanks. I’m looking forward to getting the airframe together in the next bit here.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:04 PM
JG No such thing as a safe biplane - I've heard that the RAF wouldn't allow parachutes for practical matters (weight, too big) and not because they distrust their pilots. I know the Germans used them in 1918 - but I think pretty late. (Chutes used by balloon observers as I understand it were made to a very different design than a later aircraft chute. My brother tried sky diving once - sprained both of his ankles. Not for all the money in the world.) As well as sweet dreams about self-immolation any pilot of a rotary engine would have had castor oil in his face every second - and that stuff has a wretched odor. There's a bit on YouTube about a replica Camel with a replica rotary taking off and circling the field. The amount of oil coming out is incredible and you can see the giant stain when it comes in. There are thousands of pics of real bipes on the net and I'd say biplines are normally under weathered, even if not many stayed in the air long. So are most ships. Maybe if someone spends a couple of months on a kit you get cautious. Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:08 PM
I have mixed feelings about Flory washes - I've had good results with them, and they work pretty well if you want a dirty look. I use Com.Art which gives very vague panel lines, and back them up with colored pencils. Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:51 AM

Stik-nice work on the cockpit.  Looking forward to seeing more.

bob

 

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:42 AM

SP: Coming along great there! 

 

Hmmm, think I'll try a drop of detergent in my Flory's. It keeps wanting to bead up on my Tempest. Thanks guys! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    March 2015
  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Thursday, March 22, 2018 2:31 PM

This is the final photos I have during this woderful Group Build.

 

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 22, 2018 3:53 PM

Toshi, i am guessing that should be in the Pride of the Luftwaffe GB.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:09 PM

Gamera & Bob, thanks. I was able to get the fuselage glued together and the canopy dipped in Future this morning before work. 

Next up is seam clean up then mounting the wings...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:46 PM

Seat belt and harness look perfect to me, Stik. No hint you had troubles.

Toshi, good to hear from you even if this is the wrong GB. Smile

-Greg

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:04 PM

Thanks Greg. You were to far away to hear the swearing when things were going south...

Today was much better. Keep It Simple Stupid- glue the fuselage halves together, and give the canopy a dip in Future. Let dry overnite...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

  • Member since
    February 2010
  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Friday, March 23, 2018 3:49 AM

Bish,

I won't have the Sunderland done by April 1 - but certainly by April 20. So I'll keep that one in this GB. I was ambushed badly by the real world.

For the Commonwealth GB I'm thinking of taking my Airfix 1/48 P-40B and dress it up as Killer Caldwell's Tomahawk. Nice to have a Desert AF plane - and not all had shark's teeth. I will not have an airplane with shark's teeth - they're unsubtle and we got them from the Luftwaffe. I will keep the Airfix's decals and stick the Chinese markings on an Eduard Polikarpof I-16: more of them flew for Chaing than P-40s - but not as well.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, March 23, 2018 7:38 AM

No worries Eric, these things happen, and i imagine its not a quick build. Will be great to see it done.

I tend to avoid aircraft with sharks teeth, from what i can tell the Germans only used them as propoganda stunts. Will be interesting to see that build, i'll be putting the trhread up this weekend if time allows.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 23, 2018 8:16 AM

Oh no, am I a bad person now? I really love shark's teeth on everything, I've thought about having them painted on my car......Embarrassed

 

For the Commonweath GB I'm in a toss-up between a New Zealand F4U Corsair or an Aussie 'Grey Nurse' S******e Mk IX with the big grinning shark face... 

(leaning toward the former due to our host's dislike of the later unmentionable aircraft)

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, March 23, 2018 5:48 PM

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Friday, March 23, 2018 5:50 PM

G, nowt wrong with the sharks teeth, just for German aircraft, which of course i tend to do most of, they just seem out of place. And don't not do the Spit on my account.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 23, 2018 6:42 PM

Lol, Bish I see your point!

And actually I need something easy to do - the Tamiya F4U kit is a snap to build and she's all blue so no masking!

I might do the 'Grey Nurse' later on.

And thanks for hosting this GB and the Commonwealth one.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    April 2014
  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Friday, March 23, 2018 7:42 PM

Nick,
the Meteor looks very special, impressive paintwork. The Lightning will be metal and blue.

Stik,
you have got past the speed bumps and the cockpit has come up really well. The seat belts look good too.

Greg,
the Tiffy looks fantastic. Great finish and super weathering. Nothing to swear about from where I am...

Justin,
that’s a real effective diorama very dynamic – the Lanc looks great

Jack,
that is some special detailing on the Camel, another great build to watch and learn

TJ,
looking forward to seeing it done, bring it home

Castelnuovo,
Super finish of an ungainly looking subject, you did well on the rigging. Haven’t seen those colours before. By the by, what's your TT bike?

Gamera,
Looking good, if a little fuzzy…

Bob,
the Tomahawk is coming together well

The Lightning, well once I got rid of the ejector pin stubs it has gone together well. When I was talking about the gaps at the wing/fuselage, they were not big and PPP covered it well. I like PPP to stick in this sort of gap, not so keen on some of the flatter fill ins as it washes away with wet sanding as I try to smooth it out.
But got past that onto starting painting. So I laid down the first black undercoat, and managed to give it a skin that an orange would be proud of...
So sanded it back to 8000 grit to try again,
 and repainted it worked better but still had to sand it back again. Taking the photos showed my work was not done so back to the sandpaper...

  • Member since
    January 2016
  • From: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Posted by iSteve on Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:22 AM

Lost - Your kit has been quite a fight! Don't let it beat you - the end is nigh :)

Nick - Fantastic job on the Meteor! A great finish after having to deal with paint run amok. I know your pain.

Johnny - Love the camo scheme on the Mossie. That's how I want to do the one I have.

Castel - Now I have to get one of those. Excellent build and you're a better man than I to use sprue for rigging and have it turn out so well.

Bob - Great progress on the P-40. It's one of my favourite planes and you're off to a great start.

Murph - Beautiful builds sir!

Jack - And still more incredible detail going into that plane. Just stunning work!

Stik - Excellent progress indeed. Keep it coming!

So here's some of what I've been up to...

The wings went on really well with a nice, tight fit. I moved on to puttying, which only required a small amount of Perfect Plastic Putty. Most of the "sanding" needed was done with a wet Q-Tip and rest cleaned up with 1000-grit sandpaper. There was some work near the wing roots and at the front of the wings where they connect to the fuselage. The saddle for the fuel tank needed a little work to make the join look right. There was also a panel line near the nose that needed to be removed as it doesn't exist on the real plane.

The biggest gap was the join at the tail. Again I used PPP and taped off areas to retain the change in depth along the sides. The puttying went well, but I should have used either CA glue or tried to "weld" it with plastic glue: when I went to re-scribe the panel line, there was some chipping, which wouldn't have occurred with a harder surface.

I next dealt with the radiators and painted the insides before gluing them to the wings. I used Aclad aluminum on the grills and then used a Flory Wash to give it some wear. I could have washed the insides of the housing as well, but it wouldn't be seen at all.

I prepped for priming. I had first considered using the unused closed canopy, but with the door missing, I'd have to tape anyway, so I just taped over the whole cockpit. The canopy will go in the spares box.

Again, I used Stynylrez gray primer.

Cleanup was minimal.

Then came the base coats: Mr. Hobby Aqueous Sky (Duck Egg Green) and Dark Earth. The colours looked great (to my untrained eye) and it was nice to not have to mix colours or use "close enough." This stuff goes down beautifully. The control I had with my airbrush was like nothing I'd experienced before and no thinning was necessary out of a .4 nozzle. While I still like Tamiya paints, this stuff is fantastic. It has a longer drying time and has a finish like an enamel - glossy, but not as thick. Coverage is excellent and only requires a few light coats. If I had tried black-basing or highlighted the panel lines, I think I would thin this stuff more to give it some transparency.

To mask for the Dark Green, I gave my plane worms. Do with that comment as you will.

I used blue poster tack, purchased at Dollarama. It's cheap. works perfectly and doesn't leave any residue or discolouration.

I then laid wax paper over the model and pressed it to adhere to the tack. I use wax paper as it's transparent and I can them see where to trim it. I just run a blade through the centre of the tack and remove the excess. I've tried using plastic wrap, but it doesn't cut as easily and more often just pulls with the blade.

On went the dark green.

There are two things to consider when using this method: keep the angle of the airbrush consistent against the edges of the mask so that there are no "steps" in the painted edge, and when you remove the tack, to carefully pull away at an angle parallel with the surface so as not to pull up any paint, as you would with masking tape. I had one small spot that lifted and one area where the paint stepped, but the spot was easily fixed and the step would be covered by a decal.

I've made more progress, but pictures and posts do take what little time I have for modeling - stay tuned!

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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, March 24, 2018 7:46 AM

LA, coming on nicely, whats caseing the orange peel effect.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

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    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Saturday, March 24, 2018 7:48 AM

Steve, great job on the Spit, camo looks really nice. I know what you mean, time spent taking pics and posting updates is not your not building.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:05 AM

Lost, man I hate when technical issues like that slow down the build progress, hope you get it sorted out soon.  What type of black paint are you using to prime with?

Steve, that is looking quite good, and interesting variation on using poster tac.  I like the idea of wax paper, but I myself would be hesitant in trying to cut it atop the 'worms' as with my luck it would probably shift their positioning. 

Thanks both for your kind comments on the Camel build.

regards,

Jack

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:15 AM

LA: Odd, I get orange peel often if not most of the time with gloss paints but rarely with matte. Hope you get it all worked out.

Steve: Great job there, esp the camo!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:57 AM

LA, I too am curious what is causing all the re-primes? Sorry you're having all that trouble.

I love my PPP except I also like to wet sand and it bothers me greatly that PPP is not wet-sandable, as you mentioned.

Steve, wow, that's quite an update! Looking good to say the least. I keep thinking one day to try Gunze Aquaeous (despite not being able to spell it and being hard to find). Your comments make me want to more.

I like your wax paper idea, which I think you mentioned to me earlier. Like Cliff, I'm afraid of cutting the wax paper withour affecting worms, but if you say it can be done......

-Greg

  • Member since
    January 2016
  • From: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Posted by iSteve on Saturday, March 24, 2018 1:33 PM

Greg

Steve, wow, that's quite an update! Looking good to say the least. I keep thinking one day to try Gunze Aquaeous (despite not being able to spell it and being hard to find). Your comments make me want to more.

I like your wax paper idea, which I think you mentioned to me earlier. Like Cliff, I'm afraid of cutting the wax paper withour affecting worms, but if you say it can be done......

Thanks Greg! I buy my Aqueous online from the UK - it's very inexpensive and because it's not lacquer, it's deemed not hazardous and can be mailed to Canada (or the US I would assume). There are several places to buy - all at reasonable rates. I use Air-craft.net. Try it - you'll love it.

Once the worms are down, they're pretty good at staying that way. You only have to go deep enough to get through the wax paper and if you're using a sharp blade, it's very quick and easy.

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    November 2003
  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Saturday, March 24, 2018 6:09 PM

Lost-I feel your pain-it can be a very frustrating process at times-hope things start going in the other direction for you.

iSteve-thanks for posting the tutorial-I had never thought of putting wax paper over the poster putty worms-may give it a try tomorrow.

bob

 

  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:37 PM

Steve, I simply must give that Gunze a go. Just have to pick some colors.

And I'm for sure going to try the wax paper, sharp blade trick. Sure have nothing to loose as the worms are so easy to apply anyway. Again, thanks.

-Greg

  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Nashville, TN area
Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:10 PM

Some progress this weekend-

Cheated and used pre-cut mask-and after review, they are a different pattern than the decals call out-I'm going to go with what I've got at this point

Not my best work-fit & finish could be better but this is a good 're-entry' project.  Planning on Futuring it tomorrow evening, decals on Tue.  Won't make the 4/1/18 deadline-heading out of town on Friday am but I should be close.

Upside-I'm thinking the camo masks can be reused.

Downside-I'm not sold on Vallejo model air yet-great color selection, at times it sprays great, other times I'm struggling to get the paint/thinner ratio right.  However, I've finding it to be very forgiving if I spray it on too heavy. 

bob

 

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