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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:37 PM

Rob Gronovius

As for the tubes, the one on the gunner's side of the tank (right hand as sitting in the turret) is the gunner's auxillary sight (a backup sight slaved to the gun tube). The opposite side tube is the coaxial machine gun. On the Abrams, the GAS and coax are on the same side, but on opposite sides on most US tanks.

 

Great info, thanks, Rob!

OK, now I need some help. I want to ask about plausible markings in the Korean era. It seems to me that there was a huge deal of variation and very little standardization of markings in that conflict. Marines seemed to use yellow lettering and numbers, and stars could be found in place or not at all.  Does anyone here have any US tanks marking guidelines for that era?


Specifically, I want to know if stars were out on top of tanks? ANd were they stars-in-a-circle? Or just plain stars? I have the two on the side of this tank (see below) but want to put one on top. Plausible, or no?

ALso, markings---number codes and all that. What's a plausible designation? Would they go on the front and identically on the back?

 

If you can help, I'd really appreciate it!



Now, the update...

Cliff (Gamera) correctly deduced that I'm going for a "Tiger" motif on this tank--I decided to try to do this with masking, rather than a tedious brush painting which might leave big, garish brush strokes... I used silly putty to define my "mouth".

I painted that White with the AB...

Now, I cut "teeth" out of a flattened piece of silly putty...some I just rolled up and flattened...

Spray paint that black now..

and....voila'!

Now, I paint in the red gums and lips..did this with a brush...

I added a star on the turret sides, as they were still using these back in the 50s...

I'm going to do the fender "claws" the same, and then give 'er some stripes by brush painting!

I also have a crew guy to show the scale of this beast...



If anyone can help me with the numbering codes and "star" question which I posted in the beginning of this post, please do!! Thanks eveyone!

 

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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:25 PM

As for the tubes, the one on the gunner's side of the tank (right hand as sitting in the turret) is the gunner's auxillary sight (a backup sight slaved to the gun tube). The opposite side tube is the coaxial machine gun. On the Abrams, the GAS and coax are on the same side, but on opposite sides on most US tanks.

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:29 AM

Thanks for the comments, guys!

M1GarandFan, that's what I was thinking...this model is rather prescient in that regard. Should make a relevant story in FSM. :)

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 7:27 AM

Gamera

Ohhh.. looks awesome. I love the colour modulation there!

 

For some reason I think of a platypus looking at your photos. Not sure if it's the bill like mantlet or that it's made of all kinds of tank parts like the platypus looks to be made up of all of Mother Nature's critters.

 

And Korea '54... now I'm thinking how cool that thing would look with a big grinning tiger face painted on the front of that weird turret... Wink

 

Thanks, Cliff! It IS a funny-looking tank, that's for sure...

And yep, you kinda guessed where I'm going with this....should be fun.. Stick out tongue

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:48 AM

stikpusher

OD, my favorite color! Yes Looking good so far. As far as that tube you added goes, it is likely one of two things: a co ax machine gun, or a telescopic gunners site. 

 

Ah yes, probably correct on that. I wish I could have gotten back down to Aberdeen to photograph it before I built it. :)

OD is a virtual rarity in my display case! I hope I can finish this well enough to make it pop! :)

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:25 AM

Nice job there karl, looking good. As for that tube, first thing i thought was a co-ax MG.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:18 AM
That's an awesome vehicle,looking forward to seeing it thru.

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Monday, April 17, 2017 9:14 PM

Lookin' good and love the paint. It may not be 1954 anymore, but the armistice may still fail!

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 17, 2017 7:55 PM

Ohhh.. looks awesome. I love the colour modulation there!

 

For some reason I think of a platypus looking at your photos. Not sure if it's the bill like mantlet or that it's made of all kinds of tank parts like the platypus looks to be made up of all of Mother Nature's critters.

 

And Korea '54... now I'm thinking how cool that thing would look with a big grinning tiger face painted on the front of that weird turret... Wink

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Xena on Monday, April 17, 2017 7:38 PM

Wow Karl, another fascinating model with a detailed log Bow Down .. Thank you! ... She looks great!

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 17, 2017 7:02 PM

OD, my favorite color! Yes Looking good so far. As far as that tube you added goes, it is likely one of two things: a co ax machine gun, or a telescopic gunners site. 

 

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Posted by the doog on Monday, April 17, 2017 5:10 PM

Hello everyone!

Well, after a long weekend of planting and yardwork, I've put some paint on her....but first, I added a few more details here...the first being this recess on the turret side---there's a tube coming out of the turret here on the T-42 which also had a very similar turret to this tank--perhaps the same one? Anyway, you can see that tube there--there's a similar one on the other side of the T54. This open recess bothered me just being bare, so I put the vestiges of a tube there. Whatever it is....homing pigeon turret access? Big Smile

You can tell that it definitely doesn't protrude like the T42's, but I think it looks better than nothing being there? Interestingly, the kit's DS plastic mantlet cover covers this part up, but it's definitely a component of the turret, if you look at reference photos.

I also screwed up in assmbling the return rollers---I should have only glued the inside ones to the hull, as per my indy track linik strategy....so I cut them in half and glued the inner ones in there. This willl help me align the tracks when I build them.

Finally, I put a hatch pad and a periscope in the TC's hatch. It just looks better if I decide to leave it open, and I may....I have a cool idea for this tanks' ultimate finish...

Painting started with a Tamiya mix of almost Black-green.

 Next, a coat of Tamiya XF-62, old school OD. Shaded in my usual way.

I then added about 20% white--I wanted a cold highlight, so I didn't use a tan or yellow which would have made a warmer highlight--and used a mask cut from an index card to do some "modulation" on the front hull.

Then I highlighted the whole model, concentrating on the high points and shading the highlight color down the sides to make a more 3-D rendering of a a paint coat.

Put together, it looks pretty good already.

Next up, decals....and then, a twist...I think it's going to be cool. Think "Korea, 1954; the Armistice fails.." Surprise...Smile

Stay tuned!

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, April 16, 2017 11:29 AM

Everyone, thanks for the favorable endorsements, but I think I'll probably not submit this, as it's probably nowhere even near the ballpark of being factually, dimensionally "correct"--and there are too many out there who would just delight in pointing that out, making any investor in this product really have to consider the formidable risks in producing something that would be undoubtedly savaged by the critics. I appreciate the support though, honestly.

 

I'll be back early next week with a painting update. Smile

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, April 16, 2017 11:26 AM

Pawel

Awright, but in case of making a master, wouldn't it be good to check if/where Dragon bothed the shape of the turret in other places than the turret ring?

Good luck with your builds and have a nice day

Paweł

 

lol, exactly what I was saying....honestly, not talking about you personally, Pawel, but I fear that I would get this in spades from those whose days are enriched and brightened by pointing out the tiniest dimensional errors and declaring in jiery superlatives what an uter disgrace and failure is the part/kit. I just think that I'll satisfy myself with having made a better-looking-then-kit form of the model, regardless of what the rivet counters (and contour measurers!) say.

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, April 16, 2017 11:22 AM

Rob Gronovius

Some resin manufacturer should try to get you to cast your turret and sell it as as an aftermarket replacement for the kit turret. You've done a superb job on the turret, and it would be a "shame" not to pass it on for others to enjoy!

 

Man, again, that's very generous praise. I appreciate the thought and suggestion, honestly. It's a tempting thought, and I wish I could believe that it would be a great seller. But...

In the back of my mind though, all I can see is a bunch of guys over on a "rival forum" birching about how the turret front is "off by 3 scale inches" and how the contour of the rounded undercut doesn't match up with the superimposed photo, etc, etc, etc...Since I never really considered the actual measurements and did any research from an engineering aspect, all I really have is a turret that "looks better than the kit part"--and I doubt that it would survive critical scrutiny for very long. Not being modest, just realistic.

But it's really nice to read the endorsements of those here who endorse the idea. It's very much appreciated, all! YesBeerBeerBeer

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:45 PM

Amazing technique and I also concur with the statement in that your turret should be submitted.  What a great job, and the primer looks fantastic!

Toshi

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Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, April 15, 2017 7:43 AM

I concur with everyone.  Submitting your turret would be an awesome boon to our hobby!  I hope that you consider it.

Bill

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Posted by Pawel on Friday, April 14, 2017 6:15 PM

Awright, but in case of making a master, wouldn't it be good to check if/where Dragon bothed the shape of the turret in other places than the turret ring?

Good luck with your builds and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM

the doog

 

 
Rob Gronovius

Some resin manufacturer should try to get you to cast your turret and sell it as as an aftermarket replacement for the kit turret. You've done a superb job on the turret, and it would be a "shame" not to pass it on for others to enjoy!

 

 

 

Wow, Rob; I am humbled. That is the nicest thing anyone's said to me this year. :) Seriously, thank you for that endorsement.

Taking all offers! lol

 

 

I think you should photograph your work (already done) and submit the photos to one of the resin manufacturers that often cover this type of conversion. Then offer to make another one to be a master (may have to make some parts separate) and find out what they pay for masters. You could even negoiate them sending you another kit to make the turret.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:53 PM

I'm on vacation right now and the motel has lousy wi-fi so I been haven't been on the forum much this week. But so far she looks awesome!!! I love Rob's idea, if you did a resin version I'd consider buying in case I cut up the turret and made a mess of it.

 

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:33 PM

I love what you've done with the turret, Karl!

With the primer bringing it altogether like that, it's really looking excellent. Can't wait to see paint!  :D

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:10 PM

Bish

Cracking job on the mantlet cover and a real nice little tut on useing MP as well. Its looking really nice Karl.

 

Thanks, Bish, it's much appreciated! Toast

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:17 AM

Cracking job on the mantlet cover and a real nice little tut on useing MP as well. Its looking really nice Karl.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:24 PM

Hello all,

Well, I got it primered. First, I put some Wilder putty on the wheel mounts so that I can attach the wheeels afterward. I'm going to paint the hull/wheels first before I even attempt the tracks because these damn wheels don't have much to hold on to in the way the mount is designed, and frankly, it's just a huge PITA to try to stick them on the model hull without gluing them in order to form the tracks. Gonna try something a lil different...

And here's a series of photos showing the primered turret. Yup, I think I can live with it. It looks loads better than what the kit gives you, and the Dremel work really helped liven it up. I'm pleased, for the most part, with how the cover came out. :) Enjoy...

Well, I should have some paint on this pig by tomorrow, later.....keep an eye out. :) Thanks, all!!!

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:19 PM

M. Brindos

Wow, Karl. Just wow! I think I need to practice with the miliput more. That is crazy!

...and I thought the M-103 had a huge gun! 

I am eagerly awaiting the paint on this monster!  :D

 

Thanks, Mike! MP isn't hard to work with, just a little messy, But it's the go-to tool to get stuff like this done. :)

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 9:18 PM

Pawel

Hello Karl!

That turret looks good! As for Rob said - IF a corrected turred showed up, wouldn't it make the kit a bit useless? From what I see you could get quite a nice T54 by combining a correct turret with a Patton hull, that's also what the "whiners" at Armorama said.

Good luck with your build and have a nice day

Paweł

 

Thank you, Pawel!

Well, it MIGHT make the kit useless for some people, but personally, I'd rather buy the kit and work it over a bit than have to buy two different kits to make one model. That gets expensive in the long run. Those Armorama "whiners" must have deep pockets, lol.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 5:59 PM

Wow, Karl. Just wow! I think I need to practice with the miliput more. That is crazy!

...and I thought the M-103 had a huge gun! 

I am eagerly awaiting the paint on this monster!  :D

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:49 PM

Hello Karl!

That turret looks good! As for Rob said - IF a corrected turred showed up, wouldn't it make the kit a bit useless? From what I see you could get quite a nice T54 by combining a correct turret with a Patton hull, that's also what the "whiners" at Armorama said.

Good luck with your build and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 12:34 PM

Thanks, Bill!
Thanks, Bryan!!!

Big SmileBig SmileBig SmileBig SmileBig SmileBig SmileBig SmileBig Smile

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 12:33 PM

Rob Gronovius

Some resin manufacturer should try to get you to cast your turret and sell it as as an aftermarket replacement for the kit turret. You've done a superb job on the turret, and it would be a "shame" not to pass it on for others to enjoy!

 

Wow, Rob; I am humbled. That is the nicest thing anyone's said to me this year. :) Seriously, thank you for that endorsement.

Taking all offers! lol

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