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HMS victory build
Posted by steve5 on Monday, July 24, 2017 12:29 AM

     my new model , new serving machine from syren , and my jig for the cannons .,

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, July 28, 2017 1:36 AM

cannons well underway . now for the rigging eyebolts on the base's .

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, July 28, 2017 6:17 AM

 my top deck 12 pounders

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Posted by Bakster on Friday, July 28, 2017 8:00 AM

Hey Steve, those look dang cool! Nice job.

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, July 28, 2017 11:13 AM

Looking good.  Only one picture does not work.  I am assuming you are using postimage.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, July 28, 2017 2:51 PM

Beautifully done!

Bill Morrison

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, July 28, 2017 4:21 PM

thankyou gentlemen , I appreciate the comment's , only 101 to go groan ,

DON !, yes , I am using postimage , I find it the easiest of the lot [ thank's to stickpusher for showing me how to use it ] . I accidently erased a folder on postimage that's why a couple of photo's didn't stay put .

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, July 28, 2017 5:40 PM

I am thinking of doing this victory in the 1765 mode , is anybody able to give me some site's or reference's that I can use , pete coleman 's site has been stuffed up thank's to photobucket's stand over tactic's , and all my source's have disappeared , especially michael's beatiful model , any help will be greatly appreciated , thank's in advance guy's

steve5

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Posted by crackers on Friday, July 28, 2017 9:58 PM

Two of the best sources of research and information on the building of the VICTORY, are "The Anatomy of the Ship" by John McCay and "The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships" by Nepean Longridge. Both books give exact detail of the VICTORY in pictures and script. McCay's book has more illustration details and would be the better research. To obtain both books involves contaction used book stores dealing with marine subjects. Start with the internet on used books.

Happy modeling      Crackers     Big Smile

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by 1943Mike on Friday, July 28, 2017 10:32 PM

Steve,

This is most interesting to me. I don't recall anyone doing a WIP on HMS Victory here on FineScale since I joined back in 2010. However my memory cells are very much on the decline so I may have simply forgotten. Good for you! I'm very much looking forward to your build!

With respect to the Pete Colman site, I was just able to log on so I'm not sure to what you are referring when you say the site has been "..stuffed up.." In any case I'll post a link that might be of interest .. or not.

That cannon looks great!

http://pete-coleman.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=104

 

 

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, July 29, 2017 12:27 AM

thank's mike , what I meant by stuffed up , in the hms victory diaries section , on pete coleman's site , a bloke named michael , I think it is the first one , was doing a beautiful 1765 version of the victory with all of it's difference's to the 1805 version , cut away top deck around the main mast , balconies on the stern , the mizzen mast had a different sail configuration etc, all of his pic's have been hijacked by photobucket , the reference material I am after is when the victory was first built , so I can compare the two versions this is all I have been able to find so far

 http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=39660&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, July 30, 2017 4:56 AM

 show cannon's , are done , apart from rigging

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, July 31, 2017 5:35 AM

 finally got one rigged , at this rate , the cannon's are going to take a while to finish , LOL .

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, August 06, 2017 12:49 AM

finally able to get some more work done , with thickening of the hull around the gun port's , on the bottom 2 deck's .  I do have john mckay's book , but it is only on the later version of the victory . can anyone tell me if the gun port 's , were painted red like in the early 1765 version as well , gee ! I am missing the prof already , he was such a wealth of information ,and a  thourough gentleman to go with it .

 

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Posted by dafi on Sunday, August 06, 2017 4:07 AM

I hope that I can help:

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66473.html

Note the different colors of the gunports, also the different shades of grey and blue :-)

Quarter deck last two ports greenish blue, the rest red

Upper deck last two ports greyish blue, the other ports with lid white, open ports red

Middle deck white

Lower deck red

To make things really colorful: all gunports with lids have the recess where the lip closes in painted red.

Happy painting ;-)

XXXDAn

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, August 06, 2017 5:23 AM

thank's daniel , all the the photo's you have sent me has been invaluable .

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Posted by gene1 on Sunday, August 06, 2017 1:51 PM

Absolutely beautiful Steve. You won't rig the lower deck cannons too will you? I'd be crazier than a March Hare if I did even one.  Is that big rope on the cannon from your new rope tool ?

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Posted by dafi on Sunday, August 06, 2017 2:37 PM

Call me  30-March-Hares ;-)

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, August 06, 2017 2:41 PM

thank's gene , a march hare I ain't , no I intend doing 20 top , and upper deck cannons , plus the two caronades , the rest you don't see and will only have the red stopper in the end of the bigger cannons ,

the bigger rope is from syren , .025 , or .63mm , it's beautiful stuff .the rope machine is for later on seizing the shrouds etc .

dafi your work is sublime , I would love to see you do another victory and put as much work into the top deck , that would be something .

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, August 06, 2017 2:48 PM

Nice work! Those thickened gun ports really make a difference. 

On my Victory, I cheated and just ran a thick breaching rope along from knob to knob, attaching it to the inner side of the ship between each cannon; on the lower two gun decks.

On the upper gun deck, it's totally ok to rig the tackle on the guns visible under the gangways, only.

Gun tackle properly also has a running in tackle at the back, attached to a ring in the deck.

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, August 06, 2017 9:58 PM

thank's gmorrison , was intending to do the back rigging , did you thicken the upper deck too , I was thinking , the walls would taper some what . I used 3.2mm on the two lower gun deck's , maybe 1.5mm on the upper ? 

I am also going to have a go at putting in some knee's , between the cannon's , have to wait and see how I'll go with that one ,

on a side note , any chance of a couple of pic's of your victory . would love to see it .

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, August 07, 2017 12:06 AM

Yes I did all three decks a little different, grabbing approximate thicknesses from McKay.

That's a few. Still rebuilding my albums from the PB debacle.

 

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, August 07, 2017 4:49 AM

thank's for that gmorrison ,some very nice work indeed . you still put a lot of work on the middle deck , 

I'm still waiting for some gear to arrive , starting to make some slight changes to the hull , don't know what these are called , but I know they were on the 1765 model

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Posted by dafi on Monday, August 07, 2017 6:13 AM

Well done :-)

 

If you feel like it, you could enlarge the upper whale. Should have the same width as the middle one. Just add some stripes of Evergreen underneath and on top.

 

See details here page 3, it also is correct for 1765 :-)
http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Platinen_ab_2015/Etch_Victory_en_2_V12.pdf

 

XXXDAn

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:45 AM

thank's daniel , I'll put them on before I glue the hull halves together . should still be able to see the hole's from the inside then ., what's with the built up walls on the poop deck . I have alway's thought they should have them ,  I'm sure they wouldn't like loosing too many men over board up there ,

I have stayed on the way michael depicted her , and started modifying the gunnals , is that the correct term ?

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Posted by dafi on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 2:28 AM

I am quite confident that the Vic got some kind of build bulkwards on the poop in 1803. The picture shows just one of three tested versions that I found on contemporary models.

As for the Vic of 1765 or better 1778 - first time commissiond - it is more easy, look at the model of 1765 or at the poop today with only the netting and hammoc cranes. That should just fit.

XXXDAn

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Posted by seastallion53 on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 5:36 AM

If going to England  i recomend going to Portsmouth where the ship is docked.I did while in the NAVY and it is a very impressive ship to visit.

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 9:49 PM

If I could ,seastallion I would love to , not in the forseable future I'm afraid .

dafi ;

I'm not sure I have the ability to shorten the forecastle deck , and side wall's , might have to pass on that one , mate .

steve5

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Posted by dafi on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 12:17 AM

Whatever you feel comfortable with :-)

 

XXXDAn

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:15 PM

  couldn't help myself , had to give it a go . once I got over the fear of stuffing it up , it wasn't that hard

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