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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:21 PM

Sounds great Next month I will put out the official "recruiting threads" in each appropriate forum here.

 

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:33 PM

I'm in with something century series Jet wearing Camo!

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:30 PM

This is gonna be a good one!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:05 PM

I'm in

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:56 PM

Bump- pre GB feeler contained within...who is still here and wanting to partake? lots of old faces are gone and new ones have come in...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 8:21 PM

Just about every name in that movie had a double meaning. I really do need to see it again.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Old Ordie on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:36 PM

Looks like a total-quality bomb experience to me Wink.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, September 3, 2012 10:04 PM

Nah this thread has been quite mellow for the past month or so....

But who will build one of these?

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, September 3, 2012 9:52 PM

I must of missed out on the reheat after your last August 30 post then, if thats the one your talking about  . What happened , did it all get deleted again ? I think the mods are keeping an eye on this thread .

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Posted by Old Ordie on Monday, September 3, 2012 1:41 PM

Looks like things here heated up again just a tad after I last visited.  Then cooled right back down.

Anyway, I'm going to make a list of all the books that were recommended here before this thread sinks into oblivion (if that's what it does ...).  I bought the Misty book, but haven't started it yet.  I'd like to read them all.  Sooner or later, I suppose I will.

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:53 PM

Toast

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Posted by Old Ordie on Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:41 PM

Amazing this thread is still going.  Just dropped in, first time in a long time, to see what's keeping it afloat.

It's hard to imagine anybody but Slim Pickens riding the bomb, LOL!.  As for Linebacker, etc., POWs have said that the only time they saw fear on the faces of their guards was while the B-52s were set loose.  Oddly enough, their treatment actually improved during those times.  My cousin did three tours in Thailand as B-52 aircrew (engineering) during 'Nam, and logged time over the North (he also served as crewchief of a KC-135 in Desert Storm).

Stik, count me in for your 'Nam GB, when it gets here.  Anyway, think I'll read back a few pages to see what's been going on ...

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:13 PM

Hmmmm, the same as is 12 O'Clock High... interesting

 

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:30 AM

Leper Colony

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:04 PM

Interesting... all three visually fit the role...

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:39 PM

Slim Pickens got the part, John Wayne was approached but refused to even respond for obvious reasons, and Dan Blocker turned it down.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:19 PM

Oh Bondo, you have me there on those Dr Strangelove questions.Dunce I have only seen the movie once and do not yet have it in my DVD library. But it is up next (along with Fail Safe) in my Netflix queu. My last movie there was The Bedford Incident . Lets just say I was considering the mindet differences between then and now. I will have to look on IMDB and see if the answers are there on that trivia just for S&Gs. I do recall that when I watched Dr Strangelove how in the Air Force Base combat sequences that Kubrick used the style of filming with the assaulting troops (as he would do again in Full Metal Jacket) that was later raved about in Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan...Hmm

Regarding the BUFF in Vietnam, it was indeed a decisive weapon. Using it as a tactical bomber for 7 years in "low threat" areas while single and twin seat fighter bombers were used to conduct strategic bombing campaigns in the heart of the enemy defenses pretty much sums up the "AB" approach to the air war. Tactical errors made in Linebacker II were quickly analyzed and corrected and by the end of those two weeks, if anything close to a victory in the air, by air, can be claimed, it was due to the BUFF along with all the supporting air elements- SEAD, MiGCAP, EW, Tankers...

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:56 AM

That image was used in leaflets dropped on Iraq by the USAF in 1992

"Desert Storm is coming. Flee immediately".

My one and only mud wrestle with the monogram BUFF involved a back date to a C for a movie night , Dr. Strangelove of course.

Stik we've had a few trivia contests on that one. Name of the a/c in the book?

The ultimate targeted ICBM complex name and why?

Major Kong's character was which of three actors considered, and who were the others?

However, back to Vietnam. I personally consider the B-52 to be the single most important a/c in that conflict. not withstanding the losses; that a/c could basically win a battlefield every time.

If SAM suppression was effective, the terror and destruction of a bombing raid set the enemy back weeks if not months.

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Monday, August 20, 2012 7:01 PM

stikpusher

Yes, the differences in the capabilities of US airpower in 1967/68 compared to the French in 1953/54 are phenomenal. All of the US air arms were able to deliver an incredible amount of firepower with excellent accuracy to support the Marine garrison. B-52 strikes within a mile or so of the perimeter and smaller fast movers dropping stuff "danger close" to friendlies. What was tried in Normandy by both the RAF and USAAF to have heavy bombers achieve was achieved at Khe Sanh.

As far as intel goes, you can gather the best in the world, but when and how it is analyzed, interpreted, distributed, and acted upon will always be the weak spot. That is the most human portion of the process.

There is always that classic Monogram/Revell B-52 kit... too bad I don't build 1/72 anymore. I always liked the look of the NMF over black early Arc Light bombers.

File:Boeing B-52 dropping bombs.jpg

Looks like that might be a B-52F.

Ken

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 20, 2012 4:34 PM

My plans for the Arab Israeli Wars GB is to include all the wars up thru 1982: War of Independence, Sinai/Suez 1956, Six Day War 1967, War of Attrition, Yom Kippur/Ramadan War 1973, and Lebanon 1982. Lots of subject choices in there including British and French...

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, August 20, 2012 4:20 PM

Hmmmmm ....Hmm  Israel was using the M-50 and M-51 still in that war .I have a couple of them also .Yes

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 20, 2012 4:12 PM

Yup, I like to do my historical GBs to co incide with anniversary dates. I am thinking about next year an Arab Israeli Wars GB on the anniversary of the Oct 73 war

And that BUFF is a great old build... Wink Like their 1/48 B-17,  B-24, B-29, B-58, and C-47.... true classics

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, August 20, 2012 3:57 PM

Thats a ways off Stik . Good timing though .August of 2014 then . One thing i cant remember was it August 6 th or 7th over there .......due to the international date line .If i'm still vertical then i'll be interested . On a personal note the ship i was on ,CG-5 , was the flagship for thr 7th fleet when that incident happened . We where in port at Yokosuka , Japan . So of course we made a hasty departure for the Tonkin Gulf when that happened .

I never thought about building a B-52 . I've had the Monogram kit in my stash for years .

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 20, 2012 3:43 PM

Shellback

Stik , just as i suspected , not much in the way of NVA/VC 1/35th figures.I know you had thought about a Vietnam war themed G.B. ........next year ?Not sure how much interest there will be in it . I have several possible models that will fit that conflict . I have the Tamiya M-48 and have many kits of the M-113 . I'll have to do some research but i have AFV's Long Tom ...........maybe that could apply also .Did you do a feeler on this G.b. idea ? Seems i remember you did .

Yes, I am planning on running a Vietnam GB in 2014 opening to co incide with the anniversary of the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August. I did a vague feeler a few weeks back and there was enough interest to go ahead.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 20, 2012 3:41 PM

Yes, the differences in the capabilities of US airpower in 1967/68 compared to the French in 1953/54 are phenomenal. All of the US air arms were able to deliver an incredible amount of firepower with excellent accuracy to support the Marine garrison. B-52 strikes within a mile or so of the perimeter and smaller fast movers dropping stuff "danger close" to friendlies. What was tried in Normandy by both the RAF and USAAF to have heavy bombers achieve was achieved at Khe Sanh.

As far as intel goes, you can gather the best in the world, but when and how it is analyzed, interpreted, distributed, and acted upon will always be the weak spot. That is the most human portion of the process.

There is always that classic Monogram/Revell B-52 kit... too bad I don't build 1/72 anymore. I always liked the look of the NMF over black early Arc Light bombers.

File:Boeing B-52 dropping bombs.jpg

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, August 20, 2012 3:36 PM

Stik , just as i suspected , not much in the way of NVA/VC 1/35th figures.I know you had thought about a Vietnam war themed G.B. ........next year ?Not sure how much interest there will be in it . I have several possible models that will fit that conflict . I have the Tamiya M-48 and have many kits of the M-113 . I'll have to do some research but i have AFV's Long Tom ...........maybe that could apply also .Did you do a feeler on this G.b. idea ? Seems i remember you did .

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 20, 2012 3:27 PM

"I don't want any damn Din Bin Phoo".

Too bad the French didn't have B-52's....

There's a good section in "Bury us..." where the FAC's observe a great deal of added traffic on the 'trail in late 1967. At first they are stymied by bad weather, and later by the Christmas Truce, from coordinating any meaningful air strikes.

What intel and photos they were able to send up the chain got buried in the bureaucracy in Saigon until it was too late.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, August 20, 2012 3:16 PM

Shell, there are not too many 1/35 VC/NVA figures out there. I have seenmore in Resin and white metal (older)  and of course the one set of each (NVA Sapper, Viet Cong) that Dragon makes. Master Box seems to be coming out with some great new Vietnam themed figure sets and have included a few VC figures so far. I do beleive that Warriors possiby did a couple NVA tank riders. I know that they did do a tank crew set.

Regarding Tet- from what I have read that offensive was planned in the North by Giap as its prime backer, not in the South by the VC. There would have been no way for them to co ordinate with the NVA and receive the NVA participation that it did had it been planned strictly in the south. As part of the doctrine it had several objectives: To take and hold military and political objectives across the South and defeat the ARVN in open battle; to show the population in the South that the ARVN was being defeated and inspire teh "General Uprising" of the population; to inflict a battlfield defeat upon US military forces in open combt at places like Hue, Bien Hoa, and Khe Sanh, by VC Main Force and NVA Regular (yes there were NVA irreguars- militia in the North) units. Captured battlefield documents show that the NVA wanted a Dien Bien Phu type victory at Khe Sanh at the same time; and finally to score a propaganda victory worldwide by showing that they could attack on a large scale when the US was "winning the war".

Historicly speaking, they failed on all battlefield objectives, and scored only the propaganda victory- primarily with the help of the US Press. The NVA were decisively defeated in battle, the ARVN did not fold and fought back well, and the southern population never did "rise up". The VC were essentially destroyed during Tet, with some surviving VC even thinking that they had been intentionally sacrificed by Hanoi  due to deliberately slow follow up attacks by the NVA to relieve VC units to give Hanoi better control of the southern forces during the remainder of the war.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Shellback on Monday, August 20, 2012 2:23 AM

Thanks Ken Yes

Hey Ken and Stik , back to the subject of models of the Vietnam war i saw a photo of an M48 tank with a bunch of NVA or V.C. ridding on it durring the last days of the the over run of the south . That could be an interesting and different subject . I dont know who makes the correct NVA / VC figures though .

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