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Posted by mississippivol on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 8:51 PM

Be careful about which one you buy. The white box MPC is inaccurate in the body shapes as it has a fastback type backglass instead of the stepped one the 1:1 has. Round 2 released a snaptite kit of it this year that really looks good for a curbside, and there is a newer release by them as well which I think fixed the body/wheel issues. Also look for the Promodeler boxing of the Charger by Monogram, it came with decals that would allow you to build it as a General Lee in a backdoor kind of way. Good luck!

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:01 PM

I still can get one at my LHS.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:05 PM

Ya better grab it BST14.

Thanks for the heads up Mississippi!

                   

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Posted by ikar01 on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:16 PM

I went to Colonial Photo & Hobby here in town Saturday and there was just a hole where it might have been.  I'm not holding my breath on seeing one anytime soon.  I don't know if somebody grabbed them before I got there or the store removed them for whatever reason, I'm just saying no kits.

There's a lot of P.C. and some cowardice going around the country,  real shame.

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:34 PM

Yes, I am sick of this PC stuff,  It is hurting our country in many ways.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, July 1, 2015 11:24 PM

After seeing this thread, I checked for a 1/16 scale kit.

Seems that one is outa stock too !

After 2008, folks started buying stock in companies marketing firearms.

Wonder if any aftermarket decal producers are considering going public? Hmm

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Posted by mitsdude on Thursday, July 2, 2015 12:59 AM

Never wanted one before. Now I most definitely do.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:02 AM

I was on Amazon a few hours ago and saw a few of the Round 2 GL kits for sale there. Get 'em while you can fellas...

 

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Posted by hypertex on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:46 AM

Cadet Chuck

Yes, I am sick of this PC stuff,  It is hurting our country in many ways.

That damn flag has hurt our country in many ways. The real shame is the pervasive ignorance of this fact.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:32 AM

Hobby Lobby I really need to check out. They did have them there. If it were me, I definitely ask about buying one. Most likely they put them in the back room out of view. If they refused, I'd fight tooth and nail to get one an remind them the customer is ALWAYS right.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:04 AM

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

That document, "Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union", should clear up any misconceptions about why the Confederacy was formed.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:11 AM

GMorrison

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

That document, "Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union", should clear up any misconceptions about why the Confederacy was formed.

Cool link !
Thanks for posting it.Big Smile
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Posted by RudyOnWheels on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:59 AM
"That damn flag has hurt our country in many ways. The real shame is the pervasive ignorance of this fact."

^^^^^^^^^^^ Dumbest thing I have seen yet today............... Welcome to 1984. I am sure we can "ban" our way to utopia......  That flag is as responsible for our history as the car is for the drunk driver. The Confederate flag is PART OF OUR COLLECTIVE HISTORY. Get over it.  A wise man once said "Those that don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

Looks like we are going to repeat it and follow Ancient Rome into the dustbin of history.

I will check the LHS today to see what they have and report back.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:00 AM

This what folks today needs to read and understand why the Civil War happened. Very cool link btw...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:21 AM

If the kit is temporarily removed from the shelves due to the PC issue, I would be surprised if someone doesn't offer after-market decals.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 2, 2015 12:20 PM

$$$

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 12:22 PM

GMorrison

$$$

.............and that reminds me of a song from the movie: " Cabaret" ................Whistling
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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:50 PM

"Hey I know a guy"...

"Fell off a truck in Tuscaloosa"...

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, July 2, 2015 3:44 PM

I don't want to get into a political discussion here, but I have to say I have trouble imagining why anybody would want to build a model of anything associated with "The Dukes of Hazard." In my opinion it was an awful, moronic show. When I moved from Ohio to the not-so-deep South (Virginia and then North Carolina), I discovered, somewhat to my surprise, that a lot of southerners found the stereotypical portrayal of southerners in the show pretty offensive. Others were turned off by the stereotypical portrayal of law-enforcement officers. (Something tells me it wasn't a popular show among southern sheriffs and deputies.) Others were troubled by the thought of kids thinking of the "Dukes" as role models. Still others just thought the show was silly and juvenile.

I guess offensiveness is where you see it. Personally, I don't like to offend people (except certain people); and I figure if I do something that I know will offend somebody I'm deliberately offending him/her.

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Posted by CodyJ on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:34 PM

Yeah I grabbed the 1/25 quickly the after this began.  I noticed on ebay they jumped and I couldn't figure out why.  Then I remembered the news.  I still have the opportunity to get the 1/16 one but not big on spending the money.  

Jtilley-  People want to build it because it is a badass muscle car to begin with.  A 69 Charger with a 440?  Can it get better?  Was never a fan of the paint job but eh...  Next its a "Movie Star Car" so you have those fans.   Then we have the fact that people love seeing car stunts.  I cant imagine anyone finding it offensive as a southerner.  It was a COMEDY for God's sake.   Who would honestly believe police officers would be like that...  come on.  Its the same with Andy Griffith.  Barney Fife?  Smokey & the Bandit?  Convoy? 

Its people who take these so seriously they forget its supposed to be, silly light-hearted fun.  I'm not a big Dukes fan but anyone who finds it upsetting need to remember what it is...  A comedy that is not to be taken seriously.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:36 PM

jtilley

I don't want to get into a political discussion here, but I have to say I have trouble imagining why anybody would want to build a model of anything associated with "The Dukes of Hazard." In my opinion it was an awful, moronic show.

(in part)

Ahhh!!! A voice of sanity in the chaos... Free speech argument so often turns on the absurd.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:41 PM

jtilley

I don't want to get into a political discussion here, but I have to say I have trouble imagining why anybody would want to build a model of anything associated with "The Dukes of Hazard." In my opinion it was an awful, moronic show. 

I agree it was an awful show.
I did buy the Dodge police car model at HL , mostly for the 1/25 weapons.
Never bought the General Lee model kit;  too painful.
I always thought about the number of Dodges that were wrecked while making of the show.Crying
Too bad the show wasn't sold to the tv muck-e-mucks when computer graphics could take the place of stunt work.
Oh, yeah....never did see much sense in putting any flag on the roof of that car anyway.Hmm
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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:45 PM

CodyJ

Yeah I grabbed the 1/25 quickly the after this began.  I noticed on ebay they jumped and I couldn't figure out why.  Then I remembered the news.  I still have the opportunity to get the 1/16 one but not big on spending the money.  

I suspect most of the kits bought up will be offered for Beaucuoup bucks on evil bay rather than assembled.
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Posted by CodyJ on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:50 PM

I think another thing people forget it that the flag is there because of the car's name!  It would be like calling a car the "Desert Rat" and putting a German flag on it.  They didn't put the Southern colors just to be reckneck.  I assume they took a famous leader in the area and named it after him.  Considering they were in the south it wwouldn't have made sense if they called it the "General Grant" ......    Ah....  A "What if idea"...  LOL

IDK folks but when people say things like "Gilligan's Island was offensive because of the way the natives were portrayed"......  I just laugh.  Are folks really that uptight.  

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:52 PM

CodyJ

.............Then we have the fact that people love seeing car stunts.  I cant imagine anyone finding it offensive as a southerner.  It was a COMEDY for God's sake.   

Hmm.....now you have me wondering if the Dukes of Hazard car stunt idea wasn't inspired by the movie: "Man With the Golden Gun" ; ...........an AMC Hornet doing a barrel roll jump with the Southern Sheriff comic relief left over from the previous James Bond move.HmmIck!
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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:53 PM

What part of the moderators locking the first thread about the confederate rag didn't sink in?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:56 PM

CodyJ

I think another thing people forget it that the flag is there because of the car's name! .................

Considering Southern white feelings about the " march to the sea" , I think a car named the "General Sheridan" woulda engendered more anger than Grant...just sayin'Whistling
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Maybe the flag was put on the car's roof so the director's helicopter could keep track of it..............Hmm
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Posted by CodyJ on Thursday, July 2, 2015 6:58 PM

SpruceGoose-  Yeah I bet it was!  LOL That was an epic part!   Sherrif: "You're not gonna..."   Bond: "Oh yes I am Boy!" Big Smile

Was that the one with the flying AMC Matador?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:04 PM

CodyJ

SpruceGoose-  Yeah I bet it was!  LOL That was an epic part!   Sherrif: "You're not gonna..."   Bond: "Oh yes I am Boy!" Big Smile

Was that the one with the flying AMC Matador?

Yep, that's the movie ..................LOL..........Surprise
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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:06 PM

PaintsWithBrush

What part of the moderators locking the first thread about the confederate rag didn't sink in?

Hopefully it doesn't reach that point. I'd just like the availability of the kit to be there when some of the younger crowd (as well as folks like me who want to build one) to be readily available. That's mostly why I started the thread. Just concern for the kit .....as well as the show , however goofy some may think it to be. It's something I grew up with and never associated it with anything wrong. Just country dudes having good clean fun. Just kinda sucks that it's a casualty of  a terrible wrong doing.

                   

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Posted by CodyJ on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:06 PM

LOL A google search found this!  MATADOR

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:08 PM

CodyJ

LOL A google search found this!  MATADOR

Gawd !
Somebody actually made a model of that ! LOL 
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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:09 PM

PaintsWithBrush

What part of the moderators locking the first thread about the confederate rag didn't sink in?

Naw...................topic is now AMC Matadors that fly..................
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Posted by CodyJ on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:17 PM

Correct!   Like this ONE!!!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 7:41 PM

CodyJ

Correct!   Like this ONE!!!

LOL...........................and that cow looks familiar........................
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Posted by CBHusky on Thursday, July 2, 2015 8:10 PM

I just got a General Lee today..........and I wasn't looking very hard either. Just went to my local hobby store to browse around and noticed a MPC/Round 2  1/16 scale General Lee sitting on the shelf. With all the flap going on recently about the Confederate flag symbol, I figured I'd better pick up this kit before it's gone for good. Only cost me $40 too. I'm not a car builder, so I'll just keep the box unopened and keep the kit for collector value.......if any. It was also the last General Lee in the store too. Store clerk told me it was highly doubtful he'd get any more in.

Battleship modelers build with BIGGER guns!
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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:54 PM

Well, I wouldn't know about those kits..................it seems that a 1975 AMC Matador was made by AMT.................................http://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/amt-8116sd.htm

.....................anybody could build one of those with a flag on top and hide the flag with a jet engine and airplane wings like in the James Bond movie........nobody would be any wiser...............Whistling
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:02 PM

Paintswithbrush - Not for nothing there are people who's been around long enough to know how to think rationally even during the controversial subjects.

For those who hated Dukes of Hazzard show, relax. It's a show and a fun one filled with comedy and action. Nothing was offensive in the story lines.  I was a die-hard fan of the show during my youth. Don't tell me you never liked seeing Daisy Duke in her short shorts. You know you have.

I read online this afternoon, a majority of folks down south look at the Confederate flag with pride due to the history behind it. Not as a view to offend  anyone. I live in New York State and have see my fair share of the rebel flag decals on trucks and cars. Does it offends me? Not really nor does folks care.

The state of South Carolina seriously needs to get over themselves and deal with the real problems at hand like homelessness, highway improvement, lowering taxes, illegal drugs, illegal immigrants, etc... I'm talking about REAL problems, not a flag from history's past. Admit it, it's just too far gone and too late. You can't stop people from displaying the rebel flag on their own property.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 2, 2015 10:08 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

..............

For those who hated Dukes of Hazzard show, relax. It's a show and a fun one filled with comedy and action. Nothing was offensive in the story lines. ............. Don't tell me you never liked seeing Daisy Duke in her short shorts. You know you have.

.......................

Interestingly, I was just reading this item about Daisy's shorts:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078607/trivia

When network executives saw her wearing the shorts, they had a fit and told the producers she couldn't wear them. After arguing back and forth, the executives allowed her to wear them on one condition: she had to wear pantyhose beneath them so nothing would accidentally be revealed. Instead of diverting attention from her outfit, as the executives hoped, the hose highlighted her long, shapely legs, making Bach a '70s TV sex symbol." 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:52 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

I read online this afternoon, a majority of folks down south look at the Confederate flag with pride due to the history behind it.

Cherry picking. The numbers are 57% to about 40%. Among African Americans, 75% against to about 20% for. So the message once again is "sorry folks, you're screwed".

And no they were not asked if they "looked at it with pride". There aren't that many idiots in the state. Those people see it as a symbol of pride, but not their own.

A solid 75% total say it does not belong on State property unless it's in a museum.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, July 3, 2015 1:21 AM

 

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Posted by mitsdude on Friday, July 3, 2015 2:23 AM

I don't recall ever watching a complete episode of the show. Just bits and pieces and I'd get bored with it and walk away. I just found it pretty goofy. I wasn't offended by the way it portrayed/stereotyped anyone. The flag was there because the car was called the General Lee and the show took place in the south.

Never particularly cared about the car. I certainly want one now to display.

I don't cotton much to those that try to tell me I can't have something because they personally don't like it.
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Posted by jetmaker on Friday, July 3, 2015 6:23 AM

I loved it when I was little. It was fun

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, July 3, 2015 6:31 AM

  As a kid, the show was pretty cool and so was the car. I had an MPC GL model as a kid and built it (even though it turned out pretty bad) . As I've grown older the show has lost its appeal to me , even though I view it as a harmless fun show to kids, but I still like the car. I was recently given a 1/16 scale General Lee that was showing it's age and half built already. I ended up tossing it only because the condition of the kit was so bad but was eyeing one anyway in 1/25th scale after I threw the other one away. Now they aint  as easy to find due to all the mess that's happening now. I'll end up getting one but only because I wanted one in the first place.

                   

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:09 AM

Mitsdude watched bits and pieces of the show, huh? Except when Daisy Duke is on. LOL! Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Posted by Cdn Colin on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:17 AM

Daisy Duke's scenes were the "bits and pieces" watched.

I build 1/48 scale WW2 fighters.

Have fun.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 3, 2015 11:32 AM

Made southerners look like a bunch of morons, esp. the police. I find that offensive, like all generalizations. My fathers side of the family is all southerners, although not rural people. Must be five generations from Missouri.

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Posted by RudyOnWheels on Friday, July 3, 2015 12:33 PM

You find it offensive? Pretty simple. Don't watch it. I somehow must have missed the "right to not be offended" in the bill of rights. As someone who was a kid when it was on and loved cars, it was fun to watch. Political correctness is destroying this country with a quickness never seen before. The group-think is out of hand. Disagree with a screaming minority of people? (That the media will lead you to think is the majority) You will be SET UPON by "the mob", and have your life and livelihood ruined. I'm sure we can "ban" our way to utopia.....

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 3, 2015 12:54 PM

It's just a TV show.

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Posted by fermis on Friday, July 3, 2015 1:12 PM

I am offended that everybody is offended..I'm even offended by the word "offended".

Why would somebody be offended by a fictional tv show?

Because one character(or however many) is a bumbling idiot, does not imply that an entire group of people are bumbling idiots...just that guy. Idiots are EVERYWHERE...north, south, east, west and all points in between and beyond. Ever seen "Escanaba in da Moonlight" (Jeff Daniels)...does that make everybody from Michigan look like idiots? Should I be offended? I think not...I giggled and even laughed at it (I like stupid, nonsense comedy!).

(Not intended as a jab at ya G...just my perspective!Wink)

If I were to wear a t-shirt that said "Straight, White, Meat eater...and PROUD"...everybody  wearing a "rainbow pride / black pride(any race for that matter) and/or "meat is murder" t-shirt would be offended, and that's perfectly acceptable..but, if I was offended by their shirt, I'm an a-hole bigot. STUPID! Tell me I'm wrong???!!! My shirt doesn't say I hate anybody, for any reason.

As for the flag...to the victors goes the history. Anything can be written, taught, suppressed and/or omitted from the pages. Had the tables turned, and the Confederate flag been the flag we recognize today, would the Union Flag represent hate??? When I was little, we had a confederate flag hanging in the living room. My Dad was born and raised in Michigan (5th generation, in fact)and was Huey pilot in the U.S. Army...we have relatives who fought (and died) for the North. For him (and myself), it simply represents a people, standing up for their beliefs, values, ideals and freedoms, not willing to be dictated to what they can or can not do. To them, their flag represented the same things our flags today represent to us.

I see the flag a lot, around here...mostly on trucks. Usually, some punk "redneck" kid, flying it to say "I'm a little rebel, aint nobody gonna tell me what to do, cuz F-you, that's wahh....BEER....'MERICA" .

Whatever!

Seems to me, that the ones always trying to find offense and point out hate and hate groups are the biggest hate group of all. Sad.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 3, 2015 1:16 PM

Yes I know and I am not offended by the show, that was an overstatement. Got a little worked up there.

Whats weird is that in the 60's the whole Confederate thing had a run through hippy culture as well. Same general premise- distaste for the Gov'munt.

I guess that's usually what's behind it's display.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 2:07 PM

Getting back to the MPC model car of the "General Lee";, you know, the actual reason and subject of this thread.Wink

I was just looking at the kit box in a local store and was reminded of my observation last year:

No Confederate Battle flag displayed on either the box or photo of the car or kit.

Accessing the Round Two website :

http://www.round2models.com/models/mpc/general-lee/product

no Confederate flag.SurpriseWhistling

The kit instructions only display the door numbers.

I am now wondering if folks have been buying kits not knowing the flag decal is not included.

Anyone actually open a kit box and inspect the kit decals? Hmm

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 2:24 PM

Actually, if somebody is gonna ban the Confederate flag due to slavery, what happens to Old Glory?

Slavery existed under Old Glory before the Confederacy existed.

Do any of the history buffs here remember that? 

BTW............I recall seeing Pinewood Derby decals of the Confederate Battle Flag.

Did those disappear from stores, as well?

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 3, 2015 2:41 PM

Once more...IT IS NOT BANNED!

Why oh why is that so hard to get across.

Once more...IT IS NOT BANNED!

To recap- The State Government of South Carolina has decided to reopen the discussion about whether or not to fly the flag on capitol grounds. Not Obama, not the Feds. The people of the State. Polls show a clear majority favor that position, so it'll be coming down.

The very same conversation is going to happen in Mississippi about taking it off of the state flag.

As for Walmart, target and all the rest, for them to not sell something is not a "ban". It's a business decision, which I understand is based on public perception of their companies.

So once more, the flag is NOT BANNED.

And you are correct Sprue- the legal argument that South Carolina used for the cause of Secession was that according to the Constitution, the Federal Government was acting unconstitutionally by not returning fugitive slaves. But, the Federal Government was moving to change the Constitution, and did, on that issue.

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Posted by mitsdude on Friday, July 3, 2015 3:01 PM

fermis

I am offended that everybody is offended..I'm even offended by the word "offended".

Why would somebody be offended by a fictional tv show?

Because one character(or however many) is a bumbling idiot, does not imply that an entire group of people are bumbling idiots...just that guy. Idiots are EVERYWHERE...north, south, east, west and all points in between and beyond. Ever seen "Escanaba in da Moonlight" (Jeff Daniels)...does that make everybody from Michigan look like idiots? Should I be offended? I think not...I giggled and even laughed at it (I like stupid, nonsense comedy!).

(Not intended as a jab at ya G...just my perspective!Wink)

If I were to wear a t-shirt that said "Straight, White, Meat eater...and PROUD"...everybody  wearing a "rainbow pride / black pride(any race for that matter) and/or "meat is murder" t-shirt would be offended, and that's perfectly acceptable..but, if I was offended by their shirt, I'm an a-hole bigot. STUPID! Tell me I'm wrong???!!! My shirt doesn't say I hate anybody, for any reason.

As for the flag...to the victors goes the history. Anything can be written, taught, suppressed and/or omitted from the pages. Had the tables turned, and the Confederate flag been the flag we recognize today, would the Union Flag represent hate??? When I was little, we had a confederate flag hanging in the living room. My Dad was born and raised in Michigan (5th generation, in fact)and was Huey pilot in the U.S. Army...we have relatives who fought (and died) for the North. For him (and myself), it simply represents a people, standing up for their beliefs, values, ideals and freedoms, not willing to be dictated to what they can or can not do. To them, their flag represented the same things our flags today represent to us.

I see the flag a lot, around here...mostly on trucks. Usually, some punk "redneck" kid, flying it to say "I'm a little rebel, aint nobody gonna tell me what to do, cuz F-you, that's wahh....BEER....'MERICA" .

Whatever!

Seems to me, that the ones always trying to find offense and point out hate and hate groups are the biggest hate group of all. Sad.

That's because people like you are busy working, raising a family, paying taxes, pursuing a dream, and are tolerate towards others that disagree with you. Pretty much the opposite characteristics of the other sides that you mentioned, at least the ones that get all the press.

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, July 3, 2015 3:07 PM

Ok guys, settle down. I do agree with fermis's points of view. What it is, it is and this shall soon come to pass.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 3, 2015 3:18 PM

Oh geez, well times are changing. And I don't but it's not something to fight about here.

You are seriously mistaken if you think gay people would be offended by a tee shirt that says "straight".

You are also mistaken if more than a handful of African Am's would take offense to a tee shirt that says "white".

And I don't think you'd get any grief wearing a confederate tee shirt. Well, right now maybe.

But try a hate message, and you will. And to a lot of people, really a lot of them in fact 75% of AA's in SC, it's a hate message.

Those of you who revere it should have defended it back when it was co-opted by racists.

If the people of SC decide to remove it from their capitol, who are we to say they are wrong?

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Posted by jetmaker on Friday, July 3, 2015 4:03 PM

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 6:13 PM

GMorrison

Once more...IT IS NOT BANNED!

................

And you are correct Sprue- the legal argument that South Carolina used for the cause of Secession was that according to the Constitution, the Federal Government was acting unconstitutionally by not returning fugitive slaves. But, the Federal Government was moving to change the Constitution, and did, on that issue.

Ban? that's a roll-on deodorant.................Whistling
Actually, you appear to have missed out on the arguments being put forward regarding the United States of America.
Not about the 13th amendment.
Not about people are not considered property in the USA today.
All about how the population and government of the USA is considered to have behaved towards anyone or any nation that was not whi*e- angl*- sax*n- protest*nt.
Makes no difference that the USA of today is completely different from the USA of yesterday.
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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 6:22 PM

jetmaker

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I think perhaps you are correct

add my

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to it.

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Posted by fermis on Friday, July 3, 2015 6:48 PM

GMorrison

Oh geez, well times are changing. And I don't but it's not something to fight about here.

You are seriously mistaken if you think gay people would be offended by a tee shirt that says "straight".

You are also mistaken if more than a handful of African Am's would take offense to a tee shirt that says "white".

Probably true, "they" themselves may not get offended by it...but ya know the sensitivity police would deem it offensive.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 7:01 PM

mustang1989

Anybody tried finding a General Lee model in the stores? ....

Actually, I saw two kits in one suburban Chicagoland store today..................nobody was arguing about the kits, either..........Hmm
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Posted by ajd3530 on Friday, July 3, 2015 7:28 PM

On the topic, being an A-20 Havoc enthusiast, as soon as this all started going down a couple weeks ago, I swiped up a set of Eagle Strike 48-203 asap. Just in case.

www.ultracast.ca/.../default.htm

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 7:30 PM

Hmm.............looks like there are new horizons for folks in search of forbidden fruit..............SurpriseStick out tongue

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Posted by ajd3530 on Friday, July 3, 2015 7:38 PM

Now I didn't go north of the border or pay that price! They are still on Ebay at the moment. But that might be the only future option.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:21 PM

Hmmm..............there appears to be an opportunity for anyone interested in a business model based upon supplying non-PC decalsHmm

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:25 PM

Yuh'd think?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 8:29 PM

GMorrison

Yuh'd think?

LOL.........
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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, July 3, 2015 11:22 PM

Outa curiosity, I've been reading reviews of the MPC 1/25 Gen'l Lee kit.

Not good.Surprise

The overall impression I have is : keep the decals, throw away the plastic model.Crying

Retailers selling the model must be thanking their proverbial lucky stars for this knee jerk buying frenzy.

Just sayin'

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Posted by CodyJ on Saturday, July 4, 2015 2:49 AM

Yeah it does have bad reviews.  I made one a very long while back and have no remembrance of it.  Thankfully,  when I found one a few days ago it was so cheap and I just planned on keeping it as a display kit and avoid building it.  

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 9:42 AM

Out of curiosity, I checked for reviews of the MPC kit I did buy: the Dodge Monaco police car ( mainly for the 1/25 weapons) .

http://modelingmadness.com/scott/cars/previews/mpc/mpc707.htm

a quote from the review:

For those who are not used to MPC kits, they were generally the lowest quality and poorest engineered kit of all the various car kits made in the US." 

( I would like to add that the M-16 is very poorly molded and I will need to construct a new lower receiver so it can be used with my Monogram Huey Bang Head ) . But , I digress..............

The kit decals include Confederate Battle Flag decals in a smaller , license plate size.

Hmm...........I don't even recall the decals; guess I was more interested in the weapons and car.Embarrassed

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 10:22 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

Hmmm..............there appears to be an opportunity for anyone interested in a business model based upon supplying non-PC decalsHmm

Looks like somebody in Canada is making decals for your full size, every day family hauler: Surprise
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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, July 4, 2015 10:25 AM

Has anybody put eyes on the Pro Modeler GL kit yet?

                   

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 10:50 AM

I don't know about a Pro Modeler kit.

All I can state is that, during my search for reviews about the MPC kit, the general comments stated the Revell Charger kits were superior compared to the MPC glue kit.

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Posted by mississippivol on Saturday, July 4, 2015 11:35 AM

The Pro Modeler kit isn't promoted as a General Lee. It came in a black box, with the Pro Modeler logo and featured a yellow Charger on the box top. It's been repopped in the regular Revell box lately, but I don't know if the decals are the same as the ProMod kit. This is it:

 

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Posted by Gear Head 6 on Saturday, July 4, 2015 12:54 PM

Seriously folks not to demean any "Dukes of Hazard"  fans but people don't buy this kit because they thought of the series as a great example of classic  TV reflecting real life in the South.  They bought it because, as someone already noted, a kick ass car or it was the most popular car model ever marketed and part of the history of the hobby.   In 1966 AMT marketed a model of the automobile featured in "My Mother the Car, said by some to have been the worse TV series ever aired, but it has become a collectors item {because it was from the worst  series ever aired?).  The cars of "Citizen Kane" is yet to be released.

Also political correctness at the hobby shop isn't new.  in the early seventies Aurora was put out of business because of their "Monster Scene" series, during the same decade the flap over the "angry spider" on the tails of World War Two aircraft started and, in the early nineties I still remember looking for the Coors sprint car because activists pressured the major beer companies not to licence model kits of race cars they sponsored.  The "Dukes of Hazard" controversy is just the latest example.  Model building is largely adult activity often pressured to conform to child friendly standard or to be totally nonoffencive  to everybody.

One thing is certain.  Round Two has probably sold more models of the General Lee then they ever have.  Nothing tastes sweeter the fresh forbidden fruit..  

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Saturday, July 4, 2015 4:18 PM

i disagree Gear Head. It has nothing to do with being "being from the South" as you like to think but the show is pure comedy and action. In a word - ENTERTAINMENT!!! When I was a kid, I watched that show faithfully because it was a nice family show. What's even better we as kids used to play pretend The Dukes of Hazzard.

And yeah the car was "the cool factor". What kid didn't want a toy or model kit of The General Lee, Daisy Duke's Challenger or Roscoe's Police cruiser?

The show never was about controversy to begin with.

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Posted by Gear Head 6 on Saturday, July 4, 2015 5:13 PM

That's basically what I posted.  The series wasn't about real life in the South or anywhere else.  It was pure escapism.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 4, 2015 6:34 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

GMorrison

Yuh'd think?

LOL.........

Except that just about the time someone gets the art together, prints a bunch and markets them; AMT will come out with the "General Lee- 150th Anniversary Appomattox Edition"

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 6:36 PM

GMorrison

Sprue-ce Goose

GMorrison

Yuh'd think?

LOL.........

Except that just about the time someone gets the art together, prints a bunch and markets them; AMT will come out with the "General Lee- 150th Anniversary Appomattox Edition"

Perhaps.................Whistling
Or Warner Brothers will suddenly decide that demand for DVD's on e-bay warrants issuing the tv show on Blu Ray.............Wink
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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 4, 2015 6:37 PM

Oh, the humanity!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 7:38 PM

LOL.............

I'd call wb management a " bunch of Dingle-Berries " but they might be offended.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 4, 2015 8:00 PM

Oh heck no! This summer they are releasing "Dingleberries XXL"!

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Posted by Gear Head 6 on Saturday, July 4, 2015 8:02 PM

If a Canadian company can do one to one scale General Lee decals they could do some in 1/25th scale. Then Revel Monogram could do a smooth roof version of their 69' Charger with the right optional wheels and roll bar.  Of course some one would probably figure out what's going  on and raise heck.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 9:05 PM

GMorrison

Oh heck no! This summer they are releasing "Dingleberries XXL"!

They would !
If something sold well once, they'll sell it until folks can no longer count the versions.
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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 9:07 PM

Gear Head 6

If a Canadian company can do one to one scale General Lee decals they could do some in 1/25th scale. Then Revel Monogram could do a smooth roof version of their 69' Charger with the right optional wheels and roll bar.  Of course some one would probably figure out what's going  on and raise heck.

I'm waiting to see who first issues a decal sheet with an un-assembled Confederate Battle Flag...............sorta like what is done with swastikas
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Posted by B_one fixer on Saturday, July 4, 2015 11:18 PM
After visiting my local Walmart today I noticed they had the general Lee back on the shelf but.......... The new kits no longer have the flag on the vehicle, just the numbers and the box art reflects that too. These are sad times.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, July 4, 2015 11:21 PM

B_one fixer
After visiting my local Walmart today I noticed they had the general Lee back on the shelf but.......... The new kits no longer have the flag on the vehicle, just the numbers and the box art reflects that too. These are sad times.

I noticed that too, but the Squadron Shop website says the kit still has the non-PC decals.
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Saturday, July 4, 2015 11:25 PM

Figured it's now time to say IBTL. :)

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:19 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Figured it's now time to say IBTL. :)

Build it as a Mad Max car and sell the decals for the price ya paid for the kit..................WinkWhistling
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, July 5, 2015 3:49 PM

LOL! You don't know what IBTL stands for do you?

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, July 5, 2015 3:51 PM

I = In

B = Before

T = The

L = Lock

Get it now? LOL!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, July 5, 2015 5:25 PM

Ah !

Thought ya meant :

I

Bought

The

Lee

as in Gen'l Lee 

.

Kuzz sayin' "In Before the Lock " makes no sense kuzz we're ALL in before a lock !  Wink

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, July 5, 2015 5:59 PM

By Monday we will. LOL!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, July 5, 2015 7:07 PM

LOL..............

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, July 6, 2015 9:52 PM

There must have been a palace coup... This thread still lives.

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, July 6, 2015 10:03 PM

stikpusher

There must have been a palace coup... This thread still lives.

Muuhhahahahaha!! 

 I may start looking for that Pro Modeler Charger .....Confused

                   

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, July 6, 2015 10:55 PM

stikpusher

There must have been a palace coup... This thread still lives.

Just saw a Frontline preview about mutant organisms that can't be killed.Surprise
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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 6, 2015 10:58 PM

I do worry about our friends at the Mag...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, July 6, 2015 11:09 PM

An overdose of poorly written model instructions? 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, July 6, 2015 11:10 PM

mustang1989

stikpusher

There must have been a palace coup... This thread still lives.

Muuhhahahahaha!! 

 I may start looking for that Pro Modeler Charger .....Confused

Seems Revell is the only serious contender......................Hmm

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 2:28 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

stikpusher

There must have been a palace coup... This thread still lives.

Just saw a Frontline preview about mutant organisms that can't be killed.Surprise

MRSA?Dead

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:18 AM

                   

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Posted by echolmberg on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:22 AM

So I picked up the General Lee the other day at my local hobby shop.  What's the correct color of orange to use on it?

Eric

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 8:18 AM

I'm about 90% sure it's Hugger Orange.

                   

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 8:44 AM

I Dunno ;

    I used Chevy Engine Orange on mine and No One seemed to think it was weird .

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 9:46 AM

tankerbuilder

I Dunno ;

    I used Chevy Engine Orange on mine and No One seemed to think it was weird .

Somewhere in Mopar Land the Dodge gods are weeping...

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 9:51 AM

GMorrison

tankerbuilder

I Dunno ;

    I used Chevy Engine Orange on mine.

Somewhere in Mopar Land the Dodge gods are weeping...

Right you are!! As well as hanging their heads in shame! lol

                   

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:37 AM

In shame for what? The Confederate flag on the roof? Give me a break already.....

It's a freakin' television show icon for cripes sake.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:47 AM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

In shame for what? The Confederate flag on the roof? Give me a break already.....

It's a freakin' television show icon for cripes sake.

Easy , easy there BS214. Shame for the Chevy Orange on a Dodge Product, not the flag. lol

 

                   

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:35 PM
GMorrison

tankerbuilder

I Dunno ;

    I used Chevy Engine Orange on mine and No One seemed to think it was weird .

Somewhere in Mopar Land the Dodge gods are weeping...
And the Dodge Trunk Monkey has a warrant for your hide! Keep checking your rear view mirror when you're out on the road.

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:57 PM

stikpusher
GMorrison

tankerbuilder

I Dunno ;

    I used Chevy Engine Orange on mine and No One seemed to think it was weird .

Somewhere in Mopar Land the Dodge gods are weeping...
And the Dodge Trunk Monkey has a warrant for your hide! Keep checking your rear view mirror when you're out on the road.

Fer sure the Dodge Gal won't stop by to give him Dodge Fever.................
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Posted by CodyJ on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:29 PM

Got a 1/16 general Lee at lobby hobby for $17.99!!!  People are spending over $60 for these one ebay LOL.  I couldn't resist adding it to the collection for that price!

If anyone wants these check your hobby lobby.  They had a bunch of 1/25 ones too.  

PS- As my Dodge loving friend would say about the word chevy.....    "STOP CUSSING!"

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:54 PM

Checked my local HL and there's a clearance sale going on now; particularly in auto kits mainly and a few aircraft kits as well. No cigar on the General Lee Dodge Charger though. Ah well...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:54 PM

CodyJ

Got a 1/16 general Lee at lobby hobby for $17.99!!!  

COOL Price !

Only 1/16 1973 Petty race car kits in Chicago area.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:56 PM

My HL had the Petty race car too. Not on clearance though.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:28 PM

If the General Lee 1/16 car kit is $30 regular price, then the 40 pct discount brings it down to  $18.

These days, the HL stores in the Chicago area have a sale price of 40 percent off regular price.

Seems some are commenting on avialabilty :

http://www.amazon.com/1969-General-Dodge-Charger-Model/product-reviews/B002F1R6KY

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Posted by mitsdude on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:22 AM

I'm thinking maybe we should also ban the colors red, white, and blue when used together.

Also grey and yellow because of Confederate uniforms.

All orange cars should immediately be repainted. It may remind someone of the General Lee car.

And anything that has the word Dixie in it. As in Dixie Chicks! Hmmmm maybe not such bad idea!

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Posted by knox on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:08 AM

 Has anyone polled Native Americans on what they feel the American flag stands for?  

  Now on topic.  I have built one car ( from Miami Vice ), and the only place it deserved to be was under cover.  Lots of cover.  Now I want a General Lee car--ug!                 knox

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:14 AM

mitsdude

I'm thinking maybe we should also ban .............

And anything that has the word Dixie in it. As in Dixie Chicks! Hmmmm maybe not such bad idea!

LOL
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:08 AM

They've faded off to the sunset since they haven't had any new albums anyways....

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:11 AM

knox - let's not get off track regarding the Redskins name.

GO REDSKINS!!!!!!!!    LOL!!

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:18 AM

Cowboys!

BTW, do kids still play cowboys and Indians?

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:01 PM

We did as kids. We played cops and robbers, army soldiers, Star Wars, too. Heck, we even built our own treehouse. Kids nowadays? Pffffttttt................................. no imagination at all.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:08 PM

I played American Civil War...........this was, after all, during the Centennial...........Propeller

I still have muh Union kepi from those days......................

The strange thing is:

the Polish families in my neighborhood preferred carrying the Confederate Battle Flag....................I wonder if they owned slaves..............? Whistling

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:13 PM

CodyJ

Got a 1/16 general Lee at lobby hobby for $17.99!!!  People are spending over $60 for these one ebay LOL.  I couldn't resist adding it to the collection for that price!

I picked up perhaps the last example of that 1/16 scale kit in the Northern Illinois region.

The HL cashier looked surprised when I handed the kit to her but explained that she thought one man bought all the store had in stock.

Some guy bought four kits one day explaining that he wanted to get "one" before they were banned.

Uh, huh................if anyone sees 1/16 General Lee kits on e-bay and the seller is in Northern Illinois......chances are it is that guy.

Bet he hit all the HL stores in Illinois and bought every GL kit he saw....................

.....missed the ones at Michaels, though................Whistling

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:15 PM

BTW...............only after I found one list of brief reviews did I buy that kit.

Supposedly the rear window was fixed on the 1/16 kit...................

I bought the kit to build ...........but..............doubt mine will see the day with a Confederate Battle Flag on it, though.

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Posted by mitsdude on Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:47 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

mitsdude

I'm thinking maybe we should also ban .............

And anything that has the word Dixie in it. As in Dixie Chicks! Hmmmm maybe not such bad idea!

LOL

I was actually being sarcastic!!!

Here ya go!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/09/the-one-word-in-this-universitys-name-that-a-professor-says-is-associated-with-hate-crimes-and-must-be-changed/

 

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:57 PM

mitsdude

Sprue-ce Goose

mitsdude

I'm thinking maybe we should also ban .............

And anything that has the word Dixie in it. As in Dixie Chicks! Hmmmm maybe not such bad idea!

LOL

I was actually being sarcastic!!!

Here ya go!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/09/the-one-word-in-this-universitys-name-that-a-professor-says-is-associated-with-hate-crimes-and-must-be-changed/

 

Still funny Whistling

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good ole Bugs and Sam...

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:39 PM

Beauregard..................come heah, boy !

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, September 5, 2015 9:12 PM

ikar01

I went to Colonial Photo & Hobby here in town Saturday and there was just a hole where it might have been.  I'm not holding my breath on seeing one anytime soon. ...............

 

Outa curiosity, anyone check their local shops to see if the kits were replenished after all the panic buying?

My local Hobby Town has more than replenished their supply of both the 1/25 ( Snap Tite ) and the 1/16 scale kits.

So far after more than a month, I do not notice any reduction in stock; seems to be the same number in stock as last month.

Anyone else finding the same thing at their local stores? 

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Posted by nicknkim14 on Sunday, September 6, 2015 12:26 AM

The 3 Michaels stores I frequent all have at least a couple 1/25 kits on there shelves(queens ny)

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, September 6, 2015 9:41 AM

I kinda suspect anyone who might have wanted a kit has now purchased a copy.

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, September 6, 2015 9:46 AM

I haven't checked my local Michael's nor Hobby Lobby stores yet but will soon. I know I stopped by the HL couple weeks back and shelves weren't completely restocked yet.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, September 6, 2015 10:03 AM

Hobby Looby has the naked General Lee back in stock. I quite don't understand the reasoning of removing a flag from a freaking model! It's still the Genetal Lee.

Yes I know they are jumping on the politically correct bandwagon along with the rest of the crowd.

 

 

 

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, September 6, 2015 10:39 AM

At the nationals last month, I saw a happy fellow with one. The box was HUGE, and now I wish I'd have gone up and been nosey, I can't imagine what scale or which kit it was.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, September 6, 2015 10:46 AM

plasticjunkie

Hobby Looby has the naked General Lee back in stock. I quite don't understand the reasoning of removing a flag from a freaking model! It's still the Genetal Lee.

Yes I know they are jumping on the politically correct bandwagon along with the rest of the crowd.

Political correctness — swallowing hard

Just because something is politically correct doesn’t mean that it might not also be correct. Sometimes we have to swallow hard to accept truth.

Some years ago, I served on a priests’ council, an advisory board to the bishop in a Roman Catholic diocese. The bishop, while strongly conservative by temperament, was a deeply principled man who did not let his natural temperament or his spontaneous feelings dictate his decisions. His decisions he made on principle, and sometimes that meant he had to swallow hard.

At one point, for example, he found himself under strong pressure to raise the salaries of lay employees in the diocese. The pressure was coming from a very vocal group of social justice advocates who were quoting the Church’s social doctrines in the face of protests that the diocese could not afford to pay the kind of wages they were demanding.  

Their cause also leaned on political correctness. This didn’t make things easy for the bishop, given his conservative temperament and conservative friends.

But he was, as I said, a man of principle. He came one morning to the priests’ council and asked the priests to give him a mandate to give the diocesan employees the wage increase they were demanding. The priests’ council told him that they would not bow to political correctness and voted against it.

A month later, the bishop came back to the priest’s council and asked the priests again for their support, prefacing his request by telling the priests that, should they vote against it again, he would do it on his own, invoking executive privilege.

One of the priests, a close personal friend of his, said: “You’re only asking us to do this because it’s politically correct.” The bishop answered him:

“No, we’re not doing this because it’s politically correct. We’re doing it because it is correct!  We can’t preach the Gospel with integrity if we don’t live it out ourselves. We need to pay a living wage because that’s what the Gospel and Catholic social doctrine demands — not because it’s politically correct.”

In saying this, the bishop was swallowing hard: swallowing his own temperament, swallowing his friend’s irritation and swallowing his own irritation at having to bow to something that was presented as politically correct. But principle trumped feeling.

And principle needs to trump feeling because, so often, when something comes at us with the label that this must be accepted because it is politically correct, our spontaneous reaction is negative and we are tempted, out of emotional spite, to reject it simply because of the cloak it’s wearing and the voices who are advocating for it.  

I’ve had my own share of experiences with this, in dealing with my emotions in the face of political correctness. Teaching in some pretty sensitive classrooms through the years, where sometimes every word is a potential landmine that might blow up in your face, it’s easy to fall into an unhealthy sensitivity fatigue.

I remember once, frustrated with the hypersensitivity of some students (and the pompousness evident inside that sensitivity), I told a student to “lighten up.” He immediately accused me of being a racist on the basis of that remark.

It’s easy then to react with spite rather than empathy. But, like the bishop whose story I cited earlier, we need to be principled and mature enough to not let emotion and temperament sway our perspective and our decisions.

Just because a truth comes cloaked in political correctness and we hear it voiced in self-righteousness doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t the truth. Sometimes we just have to swallow hard, eat our pride and irritation, and accept the truth of what is being presented.

Political correctness is normally irritating, exaggerated, unbalanced, pompous and lacking in nuance — but it serves an important purpose. We need this mirror: How we spontaneously speak about others flushes out a lot of our blind spots.

Among other things, political correctness, as a check on our language, helps keep civil discourse civil, something in short supply today. Talk radio, cable television, blogs, tweets and editorials are today more and more being characterized by a language that’s rude, insensitive and flat-out disrespectful and, in its very disdain for political correctness, is, ironically, the strongest argument for political correctness.

Politics, church and community at every level today need to be much more careful about language, careful about being politically correct, because the violence in our culture very much mirrors the violence in our language.

Moreover, attentiveness to language helps, long-term, to shape our interior attitudes and widen our empathy. Words work strongly to shape attitudes, and if we allow our words to chip away at elementary courtesy and respect and allow them to offend others, we help spawn a culture of disrespect.

Political correctness comes to us from both the left and the right. Both liberals and conservatives help dictate it and both can be equally self-righteous and bullying.

But we must always be conscious that just because something is politically correct doesn’t mean that it also might not be correct. Sometimes we just need to swallow hard and accept the truth.

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, September 6, 2015 10:51 AM

In that case, it seems only proper that the employees packaging the General Lee kits get a raise in pay.Big Smile

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, September 6, 2015 10:58 AM

plasticjunkie

Hobby Looby has the naked General Lee back in stock. 

Just shows how far society has tumbled when a naked General is wandering the aisles of a store - especially that one.Whistling

Heck !

Only just Friday I saw a partially naked Dodge Charger at a local car show:

no front bumper, grille, interior carpeting, windshield glass, rear window or trim;  steering wheel incomplete.

Steel fenders looked so perfect, I must presume someone makes replacements for car restorers.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, September 6, 2015 11:47 AM

Greg

At the nationals last month, I saw a happy fellow with one. The box was HUGE, and now I wish I'd have gone up and been nosey, I can't imagine what scale or which kit it was.

 

I presume you may have seen the MPC 1/16 scale General Lee kit in his possession.
I am more curious how much that happy man paid for the kit.
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One local Hobby Lobby checkout clerk told me someone purchased four of those 1/16 scale kits one day; only allowed to obtain a 40 pct. discount for one of the four kits.
Presumably, he is more than making back his money on resale.
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I wonder if the kit will demand as much on evil bay as the old 1/25 AMC Javelin kit.Hmm
 
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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, September 6, 2015 1:43 PM

"Just shows how far society has tumbled when a naked General is wandering the aisles of a store - especially that one."

Good one Goose! Maybe I should have said partially clothed!Confused

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, September 6, 2015 1:57 PM

Well, I suppose you weren't too far off considering that the roof top Confederate flag "sold" the model. Surprise

 

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, September 6, 2015 5:06 PM

Ahh, the 1/16 MPC kit would make sense. Didn't know it existed.

I too wonder what he paid. Judging by the his contented smile, it wasn't too much (far as he was concerned)

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, September 6, 2015 6:18 PM

Regarding the article about the bishop that GM quoted -

I, for one, am thoroughly sick of the term "politically correct." It has, if I'm not mistaken, been around at least since the Reagan years, when there was a widespread reaction against his conservative policies among educators, authors, and columnists. (They obviously didn't comprise a majority; Reagan got re-elected by the biggest margin in history.)

I have the distinct feeling that the tables have turned in the past few years. The way to be "politically correct" nowadays seems to be to oppose everything Obama and the Democrats favor. (Walk into a bar and say: "I like Obamacare," or "I think Donald Trump is an idiot," and watch what happens.)

In the past thirty years or so I've known a few people who, mainly because they either don't have the sense or don't want to make the effort to form their own opinions on issues, have jumped on the bandwagon of every liberal cause they've heard about. Nowadays, the same thing is happening on the other side. (It seems to be literally true: anything the President likes, the Republicans and the "politically incorrect" have to oppose. And the oratory they employ is, in a vast number of cases, abysmally stupid.)

A lot of people, if they asked me for my opinions (which few people do), probably would find that I line up with the "politically correct" side - to the extent that there is such a thing - fairly frequently. But not always. I thought the removal of the Confederate flag from the pole in front of the SC State House was a wise move. And I'm as sure as I can be that TV Land's decision to cancel "The Dukes of Hazard," along with MPC's decision to take the flag off its "General Lee" model (which, by the way, it did several years ago), was a marketing decision. (I'd like to think it also had something to do with the fact that the show was junk.) I also have big reservations about the European laws that keep swastikas off scale models. (Big caveat: I'm not Jewish, or German, or French, or Dutch, etc.) And I certainly want to see Confederate flags in museums, and on Civil War ship models, etc.

But I sure wish that label would die out. People ought to study issues and make up their own minds about them - not deliberately seek out the position that's "politically incorrect." And that a group within the Catholic Church would claim that "political correctness" has a connection to church employees' salaries is deeply disturbing.

I happen to be of the opinion that public school teachers in North Carolina are scandalously underpaid. I don't take that position because it's "politically correct"; I take it because it's so obviously true. And I would object to any implication that my opinions are influenced one way or the other by "the politically correct crowd."

I say bravo to the bishop. He shouldn't have had to make that argument - but I'm glad he did. And thanks to GM for posting it.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, September 7, 2015 11:22 AM

Well, I did make a quickie stop to a local Hobby Lobby this morning and lo and behold - the naked 1/16 scale (?) General Lee on display. 

 

 Pretty pathetic for the company to release it without the stars and bars on the box cover. Makes you wonder if it does indeed include the Confederate flag decal inside the kit.

I did set my sights on a couple of kits for future stash though. They had the USS Kitty Hawk carrier Academy kit as well for $29.99.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, September 7, 2015 10:39 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Well, I did make a quickie stop to a local Hobby Lobby this morning and lo and behold - the naked 1/16 scale (?) General Lee on display. 

  Pretty pathetic for the company to release it without the stars and bars on the box cover. Makes you wonder if it does indeed include the Confederate flag decal inside the kit.

 

After seeing your post, I visited the local Hobby Lobby and did see both the 1/25 scale snap tite and 1/16 scale General Lee kits back in stock.

As a matter of fact, there are a LOT of 1/25 scale General Lee snap tite kits in stores right now.

No matter.

Anyone can buy a kit and burn it in front of a state capitol in protest-

but the EPA is gonna get ya for polution violations...Whistling

I haven't opened either of the current boxings that have restocked the shelves but I do know the 1/16 scale kit I bought a month ago does have the dreaded flag decal - ready to leap out of the box at any moment like an Alien Face Hugger - so beware ! SurpriseWhistling

Per the only build article I have been able locate on the snap tite kit

( Scale Auto Magazine forum) : be afraid be very afraid.

The box does include the Confederate flag...........................

but the author states he made his own decals because the kit decals are not accurate. Surprise

The author also stated that the kit wheels, hood and grille are still wrong.  Bang Head

If you can find a Revell 1/25 1969 Dodge Charger, buy it instead of the Round Two model.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:06 AM

NO ;

    The kids I know don't even know what a Cowboy is and they think the Indians are from Mumbai ! ( I know , I know , that's correct on today's maps - Used to be Bombay though )

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:19 AM

tankerbuilder

NO ;

    The kids I know don't even know what a Cowboy is and they think the Indians are from Mumbai ! ( I know , I know , that's correct on today's maps - Used to be Bombay though )

 

 

Sad, but true TB....

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Posted by OctaneOrange on Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:55 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

.....if anyone sees 1/16 General Lee kits on e-bay and the seller is in Northern Illinois......chances are it is that guy.

to be fair, that kit does look good ON THE BOX (the kit however is attrocious)

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:58 AM
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:02 PM

Interesting article; thanks, Spru-ce, for posting it.

Personally, I don't disagree with the decision of the museum director. That a Confederate flag was used to decorate that car is indeed a part of history (though a pretty trivial one).

The article also clarifies why the kits with flags on them are no longer available. Don't blame Round 2, or MPC, or the government, or the protestors in South Carolina. Blame Warner Bros. - which, I think we may assume, made a corporate decision that it thought was in the best interest of the company.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:12 PM

I had nothing to do with it...

You mean Warner Bros. (?)

I was just thinking the other day, with all of this talk of preserving Southern Heritage...

William Faulkner, Lillian Hellman, Tennessee Williams, Louis Armstrong, Paul Prudhomme, Archie Manning. So much contribution to American History.

Shelby Foote, Lyndon Johnson, Douglas MacArthur.

Arguably our best music, our best literature, our best soldiers, our best food and our best sports teams.

Fun trivia question: Whats the one major sport based on committing a felony?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, September 11, 2015 7:20 PM

OctaneOrange

 

 
Sprue-ce Goose

.....if anyone sees 1/16 General Lee kits on e-bay and the seller is in Northern Illinois......chances are it is that guy.

 

 

to be fair, that kit does look good ON THE BOX (the kit however is attrocious)

 

Thanks for the forum hyperlink.

I noted that one builder had to re-engineer the chassis.

As the parts of the 1/25 scale kit are inaccurate and the Revell 1969 kit appears to be OOP, I am thinking that the Round Two kit would be better off built up as a Chip Foose style vehicle.Hmm

No Confederate flag decals, of course.

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Posted by AstralJollyRoger on Monday, September 14, 2015 1:14 AM

I just picked up the Dukes of Hazzard General Lee, it's an MPC 1/25 kit. I was the only one they had, so I got it. The kit fas the flag decal inside however it's not pictered on the box.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, October 5, 2015 9:21 PM

Local Hobby Town, Hobby Lobby and Michaels are once again fully stocked with the General Lee kits and some kits were for sale at a local toy and hobby show.

Seems the panic has run it's course as the kits are still in stock after about three weeks.

FWIW: I did see the Revell 1969 Charger ProModeler kit at the toy and hobby show last week for the asking price of $25.00- still there when I left.

I bought a 1/25 JoHan Chrysler Turbine car kit at the show.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Monday, October 5, 2015 9:32 PM
Have you built the turbine car kit before?

 

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Monday, October 5, 2015 10:27 PM

Nope.

This will be the first time.

I'm actually more interested in the engine than the actual car kit.

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 3:52 AM

GMorrison

 

 

Fun trivia question: Whats the one major sport based on committing a felony?

 

I didn't see an answer to this question. I dunno but I'm interested in hearing the answer. I'll take a guess and say hockey. lol

                   

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:13 AM

mustang1989

 

 
GMorrison

 

 

Fun trivia question: Whats the one major sport based on committing a felony?

 

 

 

I didn't see an answer to this question. I dunno but I'm interested in hearing the answer. I'll take a guess and say hockey. lol

 

This may depend upon the era and how that era classified a felony............but my guess would be boxing as the fists could be considered a deadly weapon.

Alas, Raymond Burr is now in that great pre-trial court in the sky and can no longer take the case...........Whistling

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:14 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

Nope.

This will be the first time.

I'm actually more interested in the engine than the actual car kit.

I suppose I could add Confederate flag decals to the JoHan kit................HmmWink

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 10:45 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 
mustang1989

 

 
GMorrison

 

 

Fun trivia question: Whats the one major sport based on committing a felony?

 

 

 

I didn't see an answer to this question. I dunno but I'm interested in hearing the answer. I'll take a guess and say hockey. lol

 

 

This may depend upon the era and how that era classified a felony............but my guess would be boxing as the fists could be considered a deadly weapon.

Alas, Raymond Burr is now in that great pre-trial court in the sky and can no longer take the case...........Whistling

 

No, not boxing and not hockey. Hint: it's very close to the original subject of this thread, which is why I posed it in the first place.

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Posted by rooster513 on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:15 AM

Stock car racing back with the old moonshiners?

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:37 AM

Rooster gets his Good Ole Boy card stamped!

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Posted by Arved on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:44 PM

plasticjunkie
I quite don't understand the reasoning of removing a flag from a freaking model! It's still the Genetal Lee.

Perhaps prototype accuracy?

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/13190780/bubba-watson-paint-confederate-flag-general-lee

So I bought the kit today from Amazon. It was an impulse buy inspired from this thread. Reviews and questions confirm that while the flag was removed from the box art, it's still included with the decal sheet.

Most "authorities" claim the General Lee was painted Chrysler Code EV2 "Hemi Orange." Google search of this forum didn't reveal any clues about appropriate model paints to match. I think this photo shows it's a moot point. Use whatever orange you want, and there's bound to be a General Lee that matched. LOL

General Lees

This whole thread reminds me that I have several 21st Century Toys WWII Luftwaffe models with missing swastikas. Easy enough to print them up with a laser printer and clear decal film.

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Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:55 PM

My son Carson, 32, is a major "gear-head hotrodder".  He says that among Dodge Charger fans, "The Dukes of Hazzard" show is widely reviled.  Why?  Well, everytime you see the General Lee take off and fly through the air, that's another car for the scrap pile.  Those four-point landings were hell on the frame.   Of course, the "jumping" Chargers were just cobbled together enough to drive for the scene.  But each Charger they trashed was one that would never be restored or "brought back".   I guess that did keep the values up for the ones that remained...Wink


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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 3:01 PM

No problem finding a swastika decal.

http://www.megahobby.com/multi-scale172andswastikainsigniawarbirddecals.aspx

Thats funny, Arved, all those orange colors.

"Nash Bridges" used to be filmed in the neighborhood where I work. They had a bunch of yellow 1971 Barracuda convertibles.

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Posted by Arved on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:20 AM

Texgunner
But each Charger they trashed was one that would never be restored or "brought back". I guess that did keep the values up for the ones that remained

I remember reading somewhere, a long time ago, that the Charger was chosen because, at the time, they were cheap and plentiful. So, if anything, they helped increase the value by reducing the supply and increasing the demand! (GD&R)

"Through the history of the show, an estimated 309 Chargers were used; 17 are still known to exist in various states of repair... Schneider (Bo Duke) has also restored over 20 other General Lees to date." - Wikipedia

Would the car be as popular today without it's leading role on The Dukes of Hazard?

For most of the series, Daisy Duke drove a white CJ-7, but the first 5 episodes had her in a 1974 Plymouth Road Runner:

Daisy Duke Road Runner

Round 2 (MPC) did a model:

Round 2 kit

That might make a nice stablemate to the General Lee model. Has anyone here built it?

For the record, I'm not an auto modeler, nor am I a Dukes of Hazard fan. I just get real curious and start researching whenever a spark ignites my curiosity, and this thread has done so. And let's be honest, it's so much easier to research trivia like this today than it was even 10 years ago, it's almost sinful not to spend 10 minutes to satisfy an impulsive curiosity.

 

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Posted by Arved on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 10:19 AM

Another Wikipedia page just about the car. Some notes:

"Although the estimated number of General Lees used varies from different sources, according to former cast member Ben Jones ("Cooter" in the show), as well as builders involved with the show, 320 General Lees were used to film the series. Others claim about 255 were used in the series. Approximately 17 still exist in various states of repair."

"The first three Georgia Lees had a set of crossed flags (a Confederate flag and checkered flag) on the panel between the rear window and trunk lid. Although four sets were created, only three were used. They were discontinued due to the continuity of the General Lee graphics, making it one less thing to be used. The three surviving cars went back to California and had the crossed flags removed upon reconditioning."

Crossed Flags

Anyone make this as a decal (for either the 1/16th or 1/25th scale models - I'd be interested in one for my 1/25th scale model)?

"The paint used on these cars was Chrysler code EV2 or 'Hemi Orange'. Interiors not originally tan were sprayed with SEM brand "Saddle tan" vinyl dye."

"(LEE 3) was painted 1975 Corvette Flame Red with a special base coat; the base coat was used after they found LEE 1's paint appeared to be blotchy due to the direct application over factory paint."

From the second through fourth season:

"The paint was GM code 70, Flame Red (still orange, just the name of the color), but there does appear to be some variance here: interiors were mostly dyed brown and occasionally SEM Saddle Tan."

I'm kind of confused about the GM code. In the mid to late 70s, when the series was produced, GM was buying paint from Dupont (before switching to PPG circa 1980). It's my belief GM would spec Dupont paint codes.

The flag's controversy has long been an issue, and was even used as a theme in The Dukes of Hazard feature film (2005): 

"Confederate flag on the roof is made an object of conflict on two occasions. In the first occasion, the Dukes are stuck in an Atlanta traffic jam. During this time passing drivers make remarks towards them that alternate between cheering the South and condemning them as practicing racism, leaving the Duke boys puzzled; the last to comment says, 'Nice roof, redneck! ... Join us in the 21st century?!' and displays obscene hand gestures. Mystified, Bo and Luke slide out of the windows so they could sit on the windowsill to look at the roof and discover the flag. In the second incident, the Dukes wind up with coal dust on their faces, giving them the appearance of driving around in blackface; they stop at a traffic light and some African American youths notice this and the Confederate flag on the General. The youths come to the conclusion that the Dukes are making a racist statement and are about to give them a physical opinion of their roof graphic and facial appearance. Just as the youths were about to assault Bo and Luke, two black police officers show up and throw the Dukes in jail."

 

And now you probably know more about the General Lee than you ever wanted to know. :-) But in my book, historical research is part and parcel of every model build.

- Arved

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:33 AM

Those quotes are interesting for several reasons. I particularly like the one where the Duke boys are surprised that anybody would find the Confederate flag either laudable or offensive.

For better or worse, I'm afraid that's a common real-life phenomenon. A whole lot of young people today have no idea what the Civil War was about - if they've even heard about it. (At the beginning of each of my American military history courses, I hand out a little survey in which, among other things, I ask "In what year did the American Civil War end?" About 90% of the students don't know. These are college sophomores, juniors, and seniors.)

In the high school where my wife used to work, a white student tied a big Confederate flag to the roof of his car and drove it back and forth in front of the school building, with one purpose: to offend the assistant principal, who was black. I talked to the student; he had no idea what the flag was, or what it represented. He'd just heard that it made  black people mad.

"Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - Santayana

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Posted by Arved on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 2:54 PM

At the risk of violating TOS and being reprimanded...

jtilley
"Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it next semester." - Tilley

Been there, done that...

I'll admit, my public school history taught me the issue was slavery, and California being admitted as a free state was the last straw. Since I've moved to the south, I've been corrected and now know better. Oops

And "The War of Northern Agression" has other lessons to be learned, especially in the eventual Civil War to come. Oh, make no mistake about it. It's going to happen. Maybe not now. Maybe not in our lifetime, but even the mighty Roman Empire fell, and so will this one. And I believe that the political divisiveness that's so rampant in our government, our politics, our media, and even in our churches will have consequences and reprecussions.

"If Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin were alive today, they'd be leading the revolution." - Me :-)

Now to figure out what model paint comes closest to Hemi Orange. I definately want to do one of the first three Chargers with the crossed flags on the back. Testors has Hemi Orange in a rattle can, but I can't find it in a bottle. I hate decanting almost as much as I hage rattle cans. Suggestions?

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 3:30 PM

Arved

At the risk of violating TOS and being reprimanded...

 

 
jtilley
"Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it next semester." - Tilley

 

Been there, done that...

................

"If Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin were alive today, they'd be leading the revolution." - Me :-)

..................... Suggestions?

Well, if yer gonna talk that way.............
There's always " The Dodge Rebellion".............
 
 
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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 3:43 PM

The AMC Rebel and the Dodge Magnum. No end to how suckers get marketed.

With all due respect Arved, I sincerely disagree. I think we've learned that there are better ways to solve our societal differences. A sure sign of a good system is that no one is very happy about it.

I think that the CSA was frankly shocked when the Union militarily intervened to preserve itself. Just as the folks in 1775 were really shocked when the King attacked. As long as the Federal Government has Ohio class submarines and better command and control, not much chance of a successful seccession by the South again.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 10:28 PM

Actually, there's as much a case for the USA not surviving the next two generations as there is a case against the South rising again- due to similar reasons.

As for the American Revolution: I would kinda like to know what prompts the idea that Colonial revolutionary leaders thought the single, undisputed world military power ( since the French and Indian Wars, anyway) would not attack a divided population ( separate state governments) which had only weak militias. The Colonial state governments had no standing armies and certainly no navy. Aside from the local militias, the Colonial states depended almost entirely upon the British military for protection. Hmm 

Despite the current popular view that the the American Colonial leadership was a bunch of knuckle dragging, ignorant upstarts ( well, OK, the British Aristocracy thought that at the time as well Whistling ) the American revolutionary leadership was very well versed in British history as well as how the British government functioned. After all, they had been interacting with British leadership either through the Colonial Governors or directly with Parliament in London

( Benjamin Franklin). 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 10:47 PM

Arved

 

For most of the series, Daisy Duke drove a white CJ-7, but the first 5 episodes had her in a 1974 Plymouth Road Runner:

Daisy Duke Road Runner

Round 2 (MPC) did a model:

Round 2 kit

That might make a nice stablemate to the General Lee model. Has anyone here built it?

I must admit, I was unaware the Plymouth Road Runner car was used in the series. As I do not ever recall viewing the series, I hope my oversight would be forgiven.

I could be tempted to build the CJ-7 as I recently purchased the Revell Wrangler Rubicon as well as the re-release of the MPC WWII Jeep ( with civilian tires Bang Head- wish I'd read the reviews first) 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:05 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

Actually, there's as much a case for the USA not surviving the next two generations as there is a case against the South rising again- due to similar reasons.

As for the American Revolution: I would kinda like to know what prompts the idea that Colonial revolutionary leaders thought the single, undisputed world military power ( since the French and Indian Wars, anyway) would not attack a divided population ( separate state governments) which had only weak militias. The Colonial state governments had no standing armies and certainly no navy. Aside from the local militias, the Colonial states depended almost entirely upon the British military for protection. Hmm 

Despite the current popular view that the the American Colonial leadership was a bunch of knuckle dragging, ignorant upstarts ( well, OK, the British Aristocracy thought that at the time as well Whistling ) the American revolutionary leadership was very well versed in British history as well as how the British government functioned. After all, they had been interacting with British leadership either through the Colonial Governors or directly with Parliament in London

( Benjamin Franklin). 

 

You answer the argument. They were all citizens of the same country, they were not traitorous, they simply had definite goals of self determination through economic means, and they had been comrades in arms in a series of previous wars.

The big mistake was the Kingdom attacking it's own citizens without provocation. In a battle that had no overriding moral value, as opposed to the evil of slavery, which was the cause of the secession in 1861.

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, October 8, 2015 1:19 AM

One aspect of the American Revolution that most people don't get is that, for at least the first year and a half of the fighting, the people who wanted to separate from Great Britain were a small minority. It's hard to estimate such things, but a common guesstimate among historians is that in late 1776, when the British were driving Washington's army from New York, about 10% of the population favored the Revolution, about 10% were loyalists who opposed it, and the other 80% didn't care. To them, ideas like the fundamental rights of man, no taxation without representation, the evils of monarchy, etc. were far less important than the big questions of life, such as, "will my wife live through her next pregnancy?" Or "will my crops come in well enough this year for me to keep my farm?" Or "will the smallpox epidemic wipe out my entire town?" (The Revolutionary War was fought during a smallpox epidemic.)

From the British perspective there was plenty of provocation for what they did. American colonists had attacked a force of His Majesty's soldiers and marines in the performance of their duty, had destroyed several tons of valuable property of the East India Company, had driven a royal governor out of Massachusetts by setting fire to his house and threatening his family, and placed a sizeable force of soldiers and loyal civilians under siege (in Boston).

When the Second Continental Congress met in May of 1775, just after the shooting started at Lexington and Concord, the first thing it did was to issue two documents, the Declaration of Causes of Taking Up Arms and the Olive Branch Petition, both of which said the same thing: the colonists were loyal subjects of King George, they were just trying to make the British recognize their rights as British subjects, the British Army was breaking the law, and they hoped the king would get rid of his treasonous ministers and other officials and stop the war. Of the 55 or so men in the Continental Congress, only about a dozen wanted to leave the British Empire.

During the next 14 months those dozen guys managed to draw enough of the other representatives into their camp to get the Declaration of Independence passed.

When Admiral Howe and General Howe arrived in North America, in the summer of 1776, they bore commissions not only as commanders-in-chief of the navy and army, but as commissioners of the peace. They were authorized to grant the Continenal Congress any terms it demanded, with one exception. The colonies were offered representation in Parliament, the repeal of the taxes they found so objectionable (which really didn't amount to much), and virtually everything else they wanted. The exception: independence. When the Howe brothers arrived, the Congress had just issued the Declaration of Independence, so they refused to negotiate. The rest is history.

Oh - and the colonial militias were not the only non-British military institutions in the colonies. Modern historians have recognized that the colonial military system had three layers: The British Army, the militia, and a group of "semi-pro" regiments raised by the individual states to function as trained, paid, professional fighting men. George Washington commanded such a unit, the First Virginia Regiment, in the French and Indian War. He claimed his troops were as well trained, equipped, and disciplined as most of the British units - and he was probably right. In any case, the story of the war being won by irregular militiamen firing rifles from behind trees at lines of idiots in red coats is about 90% myth.

End of lecture. Sorry; I've been teaching and writing about this stuff for about 40 years, and when the subject comes up I tend to run off at the mouth - or in this case keyboard.

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Posted by Arved on Thursday, October 8, 2015 8:00 AM

jtilley
End of lecture. Sorry; I've been teaching and writing about this stuff for about 40 years, and when the subject comes up I tend to run off at the mouth - or in this case keyboard.

A shame to end it here. It was a good discussion, and I thank all who participated.

A good friend and collegue had suggested, jokingly, that the US approach the British government: "You know, this little experiment we called democracy? Didn't quite go as planned. Too many unintended consequences. How about we just forget the whole thing and call it off."

When he does so, I remind him that he probably wouldn't appreciate the British tax code, and especially the VAT.

My kit arrived yesterday afternoon courtesy Amazon Prime. I got two packages in the mail, actually. The other was a hard drive. Guess which package had the best packaging? The hard drive was fine, but I was really surprised to find the retail box shipped loose in the shipping box.

The Confederate Flag decal is supplied. No doubt about it. I was surprised at how sturdy the box top was.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, October 8, 2015 10:36 AM

Arved

................

The Confederate Flag decal is supplied. No doubt about it. I was surprised at how sturdy the box top was.

 

Yes, the MPC box is sturdy! 
Best of all, it was just what I needed for catching the metal bits that resulted from drilling and tapping new holes for a better ATX power supply filter holder on a Corsair 300R case.Big Smile
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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:39 AM

jtilley

Thanks for the lecture.

You sort of answered a question I have always had about the Colonial Army's reputation for being steadier under fire vs. the Colonial militia.

A core of "semi-pro" regiments would have been a very useful source of trained military personnel for training a professional Colonial army.

PBS could have used your help in creating a follow up to The American Adventure series many years ago. Big SmileWink

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Posted by Texgunner on Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:55 AM

jtilley

One aspect of the American Revolution that most people don't get is that, for at least the first year and a half of the fighting, the people who wanted to separate from Great Britain were a small minority. It's hard to estimate such things, but a common guesstimate among historians is that in late 1776, when the British were driving Washington's army from New York, about 10% of the population favored the Revolution, about 10% were loyalists who opposed it, and the other 80% didn't care.

Professor Tilley, are these figures the result of recent research?  The texts I use for teaching, and other sources I have, usually described the difference in colonial opinions as roughly a third each; as in 1/3 were pro-"Patriot", 1/3 remained loyal to the crown and another third indifferent to the contemporary politics.  While quite brief, I've enjoyed this book about the revolution:

http://www.amazon.com/A-Short-History-American-Revolution/dp/068812304X


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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:58 AM

That 10%-10%-80% ratio has been knocking around among historians for a long time. I guess 33%-33%-33% is also possible. There simply isn't enough data to say for sure.

One thing a lot of people ignore is the huge number of loyalists who, in their zeal to get away from the revolutionary government, emigrated to Canada. Lots of towns along the St. Lawrence River are named after loyalists who originally settled them. The 1783 Treaty of Paris stipulated that the U.S. would compensate those people for their financial losses. (The U.S. never did.)

The people who glorify the role of the militia (and such people are quite numerous) forget that George Washington spent the entire war trying to build a traditional, European-style army. He didn't have one, really, until after the winter at Valley Forge, when Baron von Steuben played a major part in training and disciplining the troops. (Among other things, von Steuben wrote a simplified version of the Prussian drill manual that could be learned in a hurry.) And Washington never won a large-scale battle until, at Yorktown, he had a trained, European-style army - most of it French - under his command.

Somehow or other the American colonial militia has been mythologized into something it never was. The image of "the Embattled Farmer" pops up everywhere, from Congressional military policy to National Guard recruiting posters to ads for insurance companies. The truth is that at several points in the war (most natably, maybe, in the Saratoga campaign of 1777) the militia did play a highly significant role in harassing the British (and Hessians), but it was professional soldiers who decided the outcome.

Years ago (I think it was right after the fiasco of the 2000 presidential election) I ran into an interesting document on the web. It was a proclamation from Queen Elizabeth II, informing the U.S. that, in view of its obvious inability to govern itself, Britain was revoking its ratification of the 1783 Treaty of Paris and reclaiming the U.S. as a colony. The proclamation was accompanied by several orders. I don't remember them all, but one was "You shall cease calling your baseball championship a 'World Series.'" Another was "Meg Ryan is to report to the Prince Andrew's bedchamber at 10:00 p.m."

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, October 8, 2015 12:02 PM

jtilley

.......George Washington spent the entire war trying to build a traditional, European-style army. 

 

So you are saying the "semi-pro" state units were actually useless? Hmm
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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:06 PM

Two things.

1. Yes the King was provoked into a reaction by the actions of the Colonists, however there's substantial debate about the proportion of the reaction. See Tuchman: The March of Folly.

2. Another professional outside force that fought with the Colonists was the militias of the Republic of Vermont. To some effect as well.

After todays rather remarkable events in Washington D.C., it's worth remembering that many see no harm in playing fast and loose with fire.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:28 PM

GMorrison

.............

After todays rather remarkable events in Washington D.C., it's worth remembering that many see no harm in playing fast and loose with fire.

An increasing number of folks have substantial and guaranteed pensions no matter what the results of their on the job behavior .............Hmm
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Posted by jtilley on Friday, October 9, 2015 11:31 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 
jtilley

.......George Washington spent the entire war trying to build a traditional, European-style army. 

 

 

So you are saying the "semi-pro" state units were actually useless? Hmm
 

I'm not saying that at all. The "semi-pro" units were raised to deal with specific occasions, such as the Cartegena expedition and the one that captured Louisbourg in King George's War. So far as I know, they were gone (i.e., the colonial legislatures had stopped funding them) by the end of the French and Indian War.

But a lot of military men got their experience and training in such outfits. The most prominent example is Washington himself. Of the subordinate generals, I think Horatio Gates had served in a Rhode Island "semi-pro" regiment. (Nathanael Greene apparently hadn't; that surprised me a little.) I don't know of a source that would nail down how many officers and enlisted men from "semi-pro" regiments wound up in the Continental Army, but the number must have been considerable.

Take Barbara Tuchman with a big grain of salt. I respect her as a fine writer of narrative history, but when it comes to analysis she has a rotten reputation among professional historians. I like The Guns of August, but her book on the American Revolution, The First Salute, is a hopeless, sloppy, poorly-researched mess. I haven't read The March of Folly, but if she says the British response to the brewing American Revolution was excessive she's over-simplifying the story. From the British standpoint, such things as the Coercive Acts (known in America as the Intolerable Acts) made perfect sense.

The British on quite a few occasions showed remarkable restraint. Governor Thomas Hutchinson, for example, made the decision to have the "perpetrators" of the "Boston Massacre" tried in a civilian court, rather than court-martialed. (The court found eight of the ten soldiers innocent, and let the other two off with the minimum punishment for manslaughter: branding on the right palm. The Sons of Liberty rewarded Hutchinson by tearing his house down and forcing him and his family out of Massachusetts.)

If I had to single out one cause of the Revolution as the most important (which wouldn't be a smart thing to do), I'd say it was Failyuh to Communicate. There are dozens of examples in the period up to 1775 of people on both sides of the Atlantic simply misunderstanding each other. On the other hand, I find it hard to swallow the notion that if the British had done things differently, what's now the U.S.A. would still be part of the British Empire.

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"The first three Georgia Lees had a set of crossed flags (a Confederate flag and checkered flag) on the panel between the rear window and trunk lid. Although four sets were created, only three were used. They were discontinued due to the continuity of the General Lee graphics, making it one less thing to be used. The three surviving cars went back to California and had the crossed flags removed upon reconditioning."

Anyone make this as a decal (for either the 1/16th or 1/25th scale models - I'd be interested in one for my 1/25th scale model)?

Answer, yes, but I believe it's useless. A couple available via eBay, but all are printed on white decal stock. That's fine for the flags themselves, but horrid for having to cut them out perfectly. Edit: I think I figured  out how to use them. Use just the flags, and use black decal stripes for the flag staffs.

I deeply regret not buying an ALPS MD series printer back in the day, although getting it to behave with today's OSs might prove tricky (perhaps the greatest understatement on this board).

I am not impressed with the kit's molded on windsheild wipers. It's going to take some work to remove them and replace with PE.

The brush guard is also going to take some work/refabrication:

Note: First 5 episodes filmed in GA, with LEE1 through 3 plus 2 to 3 more, and these had the crossed flags on the rear valance panel. Template for the brush guard was published in January 2002 Scale Auto magazine, and available here. That looks more like the "wide California" than the Georgia version. The "Georgia" version was simply welded to the front bumper. The "Wide California" version had to be trimmed to clear jump ramps on those cars used for jumps.

Note: First 5 episodes filmed in Georgia with LEE1 through LEE3.

A 6 point roll cage is included in the kit. All references I've found state the roll cage was a 3 point, but it looks like a 2 point. That is, it's a simple inverted U with a diagonal brace, lacking any strut to restrict fore/aft bending. For the TV series, the roll cage was bent from exhaust tubing and had padding added. Makes sense: it was for looks only, and as noted above, there were hundreds of cars eventually used for the series. Roll cages were ommited on some cars used for interior shots, so those of you ommitting the roll cage have precedence.

"Engines in the TV show General Lees varied; 318, 383, 440-cubic-inch engines, and one 511 Hemi was used in Bo's GENERAL LEE. None of the TV series cars had the 426 Hemi, although in the 2005 The Dukes of Hazzard motion picture, Cooter replaced the "General's" original engine with a Chrysler 426 Hemi engine. However, the "close-up" Lees (except for the first one) were 383-powered. The special purpose built "Ski Car" (the car that was used for stunts involving driving on the left side or right side wheels with the opposite side wheels in the air) had a 318, as it was lighter weight. Most of the 'workhorse' stunt cars had 383s and 440s. The stunt drivers tended to prefer 440s (a higher performance engine) for jumps, so 440-powered stunt Lees were often saved for the higher bobby and longer jumps. Also, though early sound effects led many people to believe otherwise, only a handful of Chargers had manual transmissions; most had 727 TorqueFlite automatic transmissions." - Wikipedia

LEE1 had a 383. Here's a photo from it's auction:

The car was nearly destroyed filming the opening scene jump, but because it was in that opening scene, it's also the only one of the cars used to be seen in each and every episode. :-P

"After General Lee LEE1 was reused later in the show in episode 4, "Repo Men". It was painted a dark blue/green color with a big "71" on the top and had Nascar sponsor decals on the side. The American Racing Vectors were replaced with gold painted steel rims." - On Screen Cars

Back to the engine. I think the kit engine is a 426 Hemi? Any good Mopar guys confirm or deny? If so, what's the best 1/25 383 I can substitute for a more accurate model?

426 Hemi has the spark plugs in the center of the combustion chamber, requiring the spark plugs and wires to go through the valve cover:

426 Hemi

The 383 (and 440, both commonly used on General Lees) did not:

  

Then there are  the wheels, but I'll leave that for another day. I may have to reconsider this model. The more you know, the more impossible to model. LOL 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 9, 2015 3:02 PM

Arved, this is great! It'd be like modeling the Tiger tank from "Kelley's Heroes". You'd have to get a post war T-34, then go about changing the profile with plastic sheet to match all the sheet metal they stuck on the thing. What a task!

John, well I am embarrassed to say, I had not read "The March of Folly" in probably the 30 years since it was published. Reading the NY Times review from then by Lehman-Haupt, and a few others, it was just savaged!

More recently, I've read about 75% of "Bunker Hill" by Philbrick. A tar and feathering or two, some waterlogged tea, stolen cannons and general bellicose behavior meant war, somehow.

What is most interesting to me, and you touched on it above, is while we can intellectually appreciate the time involved in non-electrical communication, I think we often forget what happens during that time. I guess what I mean by that is first the obvious point that circumstances move forward faster than response, and also more subtly that the mind conjures up all of the what-if responses before the actual one ever arrives.

Taking this poor guy who got stabbed the other night in Sacramento, three hours before there was any comment by the police, one (ahem) major network was already opining that "they're now attacking our heroes within our own country". Factually accurate, but what is "they" supposed to mean?

 

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