UH-1E from an F + B or C?

 I did a dry test fit of one of the resin roof pieces ;

Everything seems to fit okay , later tonight I'll file out the overhead window roof panels on the other one and then I'll test fit the little hoist arms .

                                                   John .

John,

 Those look pretty nice.  please post pics and let us know how well they went together.  I guess i shoudl have ordered some sooner though.

    Ray 

 My 1/72 resin Huey UH-1E roof pieces arrived today .

 They only had two sets left in stock ;

I'll build one as an USMC UH-1E , like in the pic below

The second Huey will be a Navy TH-1E , HT-18

I scrounged around the decal spare's box , so hopfully I'll have enough markings for both birds .

                                          John

Aaronw wrote:

Helo 53 wrote: Aaronw , the timing of your last post could not have been more perfect . I have three 1/72 Italeri B/C Huey's under construction on the workbench right now . I'm building them as an early UH-1E , TH-1L and a HH-1K Last night I was trying to figure out how to file an indent in the roof section to house the rescue hoist . The roof pieces are still seperate from the cabin section and even though I have already airbrushed the overhead windows with clear green ; thankfully I hadn't installed them yet . I'll be posting my order form today for 3 sets , I'm one happy modeler                                               John .   Since you will be having to deal with the overseas shipping you might check out the stuff from Whirlybits, Heritage Aviation and Extratech too, not Huey stuff but nice helicopter stuff.

Thank's for tip Aaronw ,

Linden Hill has some nice resin detail sets for the Mi-8 helicopter .[Heliborne Mi-8T cockpit interior]. The Mi-8 is my favourite non US military helicopter , so I'll think about adding some to the order

                                    Thanks again ...John

Helo 53 wrote:

Aaronw , the timing of your last post could not have been more perfect . I have three 1/72 Italeri B/C Huey's under construction on the workbench right now . I'm building them as an early UH-1E , TH-1L and a HH-1K Last night I was trying to figure out how to file an indent in the roof section to house the rescue hoist . The roof pieces are still seperate from the cabin section and even though I have already airbrushed the overhead windows with clear green ; thankfully I hadn't installed them yet . I'll be posting my order form today for 3 sets , I'm one happy modeler                                               John .

Since you will be having to deal with the overseas shipping you might check out the stuff from Whirlybits, Heritage Aviation and Extratech too, not Huey stuff but nice helicopter stuff.  

Aaronw , the timing of your last post could not have been more perfect .

I have three 1/72 Italeri B/C Huey's under construction on the workbench right now .

I'm building them as an early UH-1E , TH-1L and a HH-1K

Last night I was trying to figure out how to file an indent in the roof section to house the rescue hoist . The roof pieces are still seperate from the cabin section and even though I have already airbrushed the overhead windows with clear green ; thankfully I hadn't installed them yet .

I'll be posting my order form today for 3 sets , I'm one happy modeler

                                              John .

For anyone interested in doing a UH-1E in 1/72 I just found this conversion from Rotorcraft.

http://www.lindenhillimports.com/rotorcraft.htm

It calls it a rescue hoist for a C or L, but it should work for an E as well.

I just got one of these, I haven't tried to fit it to a kit yet but the castings are nice. The roof is much thinner than it looks in the photo.

The service from Linden Hill was great, I had my order about 3 days after ordering.

No worries. It's good to see all the TK-2 stuff here in one spot.  I lifted it originally from Popamoke anyway, I think.  Thanks for the awesome shots and thank your friend for sharing.

    Ray

Folks,

     I am attaching a couple of pics of the UH-1E gun arrangement.  The first two, I pulled from the web--please let me know who "owns" them so I can give proper credit.  The others are from Gordon Phelps--Crew Chief for Maj. Stephen Pless during their rescue mission in August 1967 of some Army troops stranded on the beach near My Lai.  Pless was subsequently awarded the MOH and the crew were awarded Navy Crosses.

EDIT*  Looks as though I "lifted" a picture or two from what Ray already posted--apologies.

I'm new to the forums here, but have been reading this thread with GREAT interest--thanks for the great discussion and pictures.  I have been looking for detailed info and pics of the Echo model for a 1/24 scale project I have had waiting in the wings for quite a while.  I want to build a very accurately detailed model of the Huey Maj. Pless and crew flew on the mission which they were so highly decorated for.  I live in Pless' hometown and actually had the opportunity to meet his Crew Chief once--whom was kind enough to share many personal pictures of the Huey and crew.  My hat's off to you guys for this thread--OUTSTANDING!!!

Jim

HMA1369 wrote:

rotorwash wrote: As for the Marines recieving Army B models,  I'd love to see the pics or at least the refs.  I can find no documentation of the Marines recieving B models. my guess would be a ref that referred to the first batch of 204 based Echos as "B's" but I'm always open to new info. The Army transferred 20 B models to the Marines, beginning in January 1966. These were operated by VMO-1 at MCAS New River. They retained Army serial numbers (like the AH-1Gs). One, 63-8572, was destroyed (mid-air with a CH-53). The others were returned in February 1968.

First off, welcome to the forums!  You probably hadn't read far enough but Supercobra set me straight on that one and now I even have the Marines and Helicopters book with the info about the Army B models.  I just wasn't as up on my Marine Huey history as I shoudl have been.

    Ray

rotorwash wrote:

As for the Marines recieving Army B models,  I'd love to see the pics or at least the refs.  I can find no documentation of the Marines recieving B models. my guess would be a ref that referred to the first batch of 204 based Echos as "B's" but I'm always open to new info.

Maybe this will help

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Okay, I give up. How do I get the photo here? I tried copying it, then tried using the address for this msg... and no luck.

By the way, The tail letters "EW" were to H&MS-24 Headquarters and Maint. They no longer exsist. No only did they have Broncos and Huey's, but A-4 Skyhawks too.

If someone wants to E-mail me at Lasercop@aol.com, I'll send the photo or give me an address I can send it to here.

Come on laser cop lets see those pics!!!

I Found this one at home. It was the last shot for my little Yashica camera, and the last flight for EW-27 

I just found this website looking for any information on my old unit. From January 1973 to April of 1975 I was staioned at Kaneohe Bay Hi. With the 1st Marine Brigade. I was a radio operator with "A" Company 3rd Shore Party. We did Helicopter Support Team Missions, mainly with     HMH-463 (CH-53D's). But we also worked with HMM-261. Being a Headquarters and Maintence Squadron, they had several Huey UH1E's, Cobras and several OV-10 Broncos. I flew several Command and Control Missions and have flown in EW-23. Most of the photos posted of EW-27, I believe were taken in Hawaii. I have photos of the Broncos, Cobras and Huey's parked next to each other.

On April, (I believe 26th) 1974 I was working with Explosives Ordnance Disposal as their radio Operator. We took off from the Pokalowa training area on the big Island, in EW-27. We were looking for a stick of unexploded 500 lb H.E. bombs droppped the day before by an Air Force F-4. The Pilot and RIO reported that the bombs had not detonated when dropped into the nearby Impact Area. We went out to look for them. We never made it. We crashed into Range 5 at Pokalowa. It was one hell of a ride in. Frankly, I knew I was dead....but that's another story, here's the kicker, after flopping arond and grinding the rotors to a stop. We got out.....and I swear to god.....twenty feet in front of the bird, sticking nose first out of the lava, was an unexploded 106mm Recoiless Rifle round. I can still see the black H.E. tip.

I have the photos on my work computer and will try to post them Monday.

Shane O'Brien 

Randy is truly an awesome resource!   Thanks for sharing those Echo pics.

    Ray

Hey Supercobra...................

Christmas came early this year!!!!!!!!     What a treasuretrove.  I'll drag out the logbook and see.  Was never in 267 but quite a few of thier castoffs came to P-cola to use as trainers. Hennessy?  I'm banging my head trying to remember him..........  Now that's a guy that took a camera with him.   I rarely did. 

BTW....edited here because I forgot to say THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

Regards
Steve

Steve,

Still looking for UH-1E pics of aircraft you've flown?  Do these bunos help?  First photos courtesy of GySgt Hennessy - forget where the 267 batch came from:

Hey Huey367,

There were so many helicopters used in Eagle Pull, hard to figure out just where all came from.  I do know for a fact that HML-367 went as the parent squadron (of a small herd), lock stock and all Hueys in tow from Futenma (they didn't unpack any Hueys.......had them with them the whole time).  There wasn't a stick left behind at Futenma.  Once they got to the PI, there was a big reorganization again, and 367 was no longer the parent squadron, but det'ed out.  Gentry was the Co during that OP, the flag went with the squadron.

Regards
Steve

So I am currently scanning photos from the Army Aviation Digest collection at Ft. Rucker.  I just found this little gem.  Note it is an XM-31 armed bird.  The XM-31 system consisted of two M-24 20mm cannons mounted on either side of a UH-1B.  Check the roof on this bird.  Yep that's a pitot up there!  You can see the right handed fuel filler in this pic and I have two other photos of this bird from another source that clearly show the UH-1B rotorhead.  Now we have seen all the stages in the progression to the full blown C-style fuselage: UH-1B w/roof mounted pitot only, UH-1B-E w/roof mounted pitot and left handed fuel filler, UH-1C w/old style bell mouth intake and nose mounted FM antennas.  Kinda completes the circle. So, Steve, I guess maybe the roof mounted pitot was a seperate mod after all, albeit practically coincidental with the left handed fuel filler and other UH-1C upgrades.  Who knows how many of these "oddballs" made it out of the factory but I'm betting less than a dozen.  The search continues!

   Ray

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HH-1K's weren't all used for SAR. As Steve has already mentioned, they were basically identical to UH-1L, TH-1L and UH-1E and got "thrown into the mix" later on.  Four were sent to Vietnam in 1970 to serve with the Sealords (HAL-3 slicks). One was destroyed about a week after coming in country over the Gulf of Thailand.  As for gray HH-1K's, Check out this China Lake HH-1K BuNo 157201:

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 Sorry it's so small.

   Ray

PS: Here's my favorite echo pic so far.  I just love the thainer colors.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Navy/Bell-UH-1E-Iroquois/0289985/L/&sid=f23b8d86eb938f91e2da0693bf087aeb

VMO-1 received its OV-10s early 68 and when I got there in October, we had our full compliment. VMO-1 split keeping the OV-10s and forming HML-167 at New River, NC in early summer 71. When I got to HML-367 in January 73 we still had UH-1Es (6 on the flight line). When HML-167 transfered its colors to New River, its Hueys and personell transfered to ships and bases in WestPAC. The aircraft went on the HML-367 or FMF books. I was with HML-367 until March 74. During that time, I went TDY to a support ship (H&MS-36), US Embassy Security Siagon, and the Rose Garden (Nam Phong, Thailand). The Marines offically pulled out of Vietnam in June 73 and HML-167 was the last Marine helicopter squadron to pull out of Vietnam (June, 1971). Off the coast (outside the 12 mile limit)and at the Rose Garden, the Marines were still unioffically conducting operations in Cambodia and Vietnam, but offically they no long had any operational bases in Vietnam. The most Huey's we had at HML-367 at Futema was 12. Most of the time the majority were down due to canibilizing them for other Hueys in WestPAC. The personel were TDY to WestPAC units. We got all the Hueys up and had to borrow 2 pilots from the wing for a fly over. The crew chiefs flew left seat.

For Eagle Pull (evacuation of Cambodia) and Frequent Wind (evacuation of Vietnam) the Marine helicopters came from LPHs, the Blue Ridge, and other aircraft carriers in WestPAC. HML-367 provided the personel and support without the squadron leaving MCAS(H) Futema. The squadron received a unit citation for its support.

At HML-367 we had about 20 boxes with TK2s in them. Each box had the 2 racks and 2 door gun mounts. In early 1974, we had to transfer all the weapons racks and spare parts to support them to the Navy at Subic Bay. We kept one back for a static display for a command change on base and the Navy came looking for it.

But I was talking about VT-21 (DoubleNuts). We received a box full of parts, the tail section in a box, an engine can, a transmission can, rotor blades in cans, and a boxed rotor head. The only part that was not in a box was the main cabin section. It took us about 2 weeks to put it back together and test it.

I never saw a gray SAR bird. They were always green with orange tail and nose. Some also had an orange top.

Fresh out of rework!  1972.  I'm guessing this is NARF Atsugi, JA? 

HH-1K 157202 Gray or Orange?  Can't get any fresher than this! 

Steve

Hey Ray,

Great stuff.  I think the Marine Yuma SAR photo is Orange.  Thats my guess.  I have a Iwakuni SAR photo of a Marine HH-1K.   Green or Gray with Orange tail/nose.

I'm not sure about the 1969 date of the VMO-2 UH-1E.  The VMO's "supposedly" gave up thier UH-1E's to form the new HML-167 and HML-367 in country.  VMO's picked up the OV-10s around that time.  1968.  Those MAG-16 photos just didn't have any clear detail.  What's a year or two slip one way t'other?

Steve