I've posted most of these pics here before but I'll post them again.  I'll do the TK-2 pics (also called Change 7 because it was Airframes Change #7) later.  Somewhere around here I've got the change 7 drawings but not scanned.

Edit:  these include an HH-1K (hanging from ceiling) and a TH-1L (orange) but the hoist setup is the same. 

To counter a couple of the previous posts, I've seen more photos of UH-1Es with 7 shot pods than with 19 shot pods and it was not uncommon to remove all of the hoist bits and pieces on the gunships.  Pic a picture and build it how you want.  Check places like popasmoke.com and scarface-usmc.org for pictures.

Edit: ...and yes most of the gunship pics are sans doors although you can find some with. 

This is what I have collected so far for a USMC UH-1E . Lot's of work to modify the Italeri UH-1D rescue hoist to suit the Marines version , the rotor brake and cabin boxings came from Cobra Company's UH-1N update set . I could build either a early or late version "Echo's" , although I had previously removed the cockpit doors on one pair of those fuselage halves , I wonder if the Marines flew their gunships without doors like there Army and Navy birds ???

                                            Kind regards John .

Huey367 wrote:

UH-1Bs This will clear up the question of borrowing Bs from the Army. I was in VMO-1 at New River.   "In March 1966, although authorized 76 UH-1Es in the operating units, it had only 58. To alleviate the situation, the Marine Corps that month attempted to borrow UH-1Bs from the Army. The Army had none to spare, for it had found its UH-1 series to be well suited to combat as a light troop transport and for its increasing numbers of gunships. Though Bell was straining to meet the demands for more helicopters, the shortage in the Marine Corps continued. The addition of two temporary squadrons compounded the problem. Colonel Alan J. Armstrong, who filled the two-month gap between the departure of Gemeral Robertshaw as DC/S (Air) on 15 April and the arrival of General McCutcheon on 15 June, continued to press for the loan of Army UH-1Bs. A week after General McCutcheon took over his new duties, he was able to write that the Secretary of the Army had agreed to tranfer 20 helicopters. The Secretary of Defense approved the decision on 12 July. Since the Army version had no rotor brake, it was only marginally suitable for shipboard operations. The helicopter forces in Vietnam had first priority for amphibious vertical assaults, so it was necessary that they be equipped with the Marine Corps design. All of the Army aircraft were delivered to New River, releasing UH-1Es for transfer to the Pacific area. While they reduced the amphibious assault capability of the FMFLant forces, the UH-1Bs without rotor brakes were better than nothing. Ten of them arrived in August and 10 more in January 1967." Marines and Helicopters, 1962-1973 p.110   I'll send some pictures of the different weapons mounted today or tomorrow. Marines have a habit of improvising. During WWII, we were given B25s again at New River (than a farmers field) and turned them into gunships. The Marines had no use for bombers. It's all about ground support in the Marines. In 1970, a Huey pilot mounted 4 50cal Brownings on the gun racks at New River. I was flying in it when he opened up it up at the range. I'll swear we came to a dead stop for a few seconds. We took them off and did an airframes inspection when we got back.

I also would be extremly greatful of some nice close-up pic's of the TK 2 gun mount . I have copied a few pic's into the computer that some of the FSM forum members have kindly posted on other Huey threads . I can see that the two machine guns are mounted slightly forward of the rocket pod but to me it appears that the TK 2 mount is just sitting over the front brace that supports the rocket tube . Obvisiously there would of been a lot more support braces holding the two machine guns in place but so far with the few pic's I've seen I just can't figure it out ???

Also did the Marine UH-1E gunships use the same XM-6 sighting system as the Army gunship Huey's ??? .

I have two 1/48 Revell UH-1 Huey kits sitting under the bench , one pair of fuselage halves already has a Bell-Mouth intake fitted and I have collected some nice machine guns , 19 shot rocket pods , nose turret , rescue hoist , armoured seats , a rotor brake , pretty much everything I need to have a go at a "Echo" version ; It's just can't figure out how those two main braces that hold the rocket pod are attached back to the underside of the fuselage and the same with the TK2 machine gun mounts .

                                   Kind regards John

Hey Huey367

Look forward to seeing the armament photos.  Got any of the TK-2s? (I think that was the nomenclature)  Hard to find detail on those.

Regards
Steve

UH-1Bs

This will clear up the question of borrowing Bs from the Army. I was in VMO-1 at New River.

"In March 1966, although authorized 76 UH-1Es in the operating units, it had only 58. To alleviate the situation, the Marine Corps that month attempted to borrow UH-1Bs from the Army. The Army had none to spare, for it had found its UH-1 series to be well suited to combat as a light troop transport and for its increasing numbers of gunships. Though Bell was straining to meet the demands for more helicopters, the shortage in the Marine Corps continued. The addition of two temporary squadrons compounded the problem. Colonel Alan J. Armstrong, who filled the two-month gap between the departure of Gemeral Robertshaw as DC/S (Air) on 15 April and the arrival of General McCutcheon on 15 June, continued to press for the loan of Army UH-1Bs. A week after General McCutcheon took over his new duties, he was able to write that the Secretary of the Army had agreed to tranfer 20 helicopters. The Secretary of Defense approved the decision on 12 July.

Since the Army version had no rotor brake, it was only marginally suitable for shipboard operations. The helicopter forces in Vietnam had first priority for amphibious vertical assaults, so it was necessary that they be equipped with the Marine Corps design. All of the Army aircraft were delivered to New River, releasing UH-1Es for transfer to the Pacific area. While they reduced the amphibious assault capability of the FMFLant forces, the UH-1Bs without rotor brakes were better than nothing. Ten of them arrived in August and 10 more in January 1967."

Marines and Helicopters, 1962-1973 p.110

I'll send some pictures of the different weapons mounted today or tomorrow. Marines have a habit of improvising. During WWII, we were given B25s again at New River (than a farmers field) and turned them into gunships. The Marines had no use for bombers. It's all about ground support in the Marines. In 1970, a Huey pilot mounted 4 50cal Brownings on the gun racks at New River. I was flying in it when he opened up it up at the range. I'll swear we came to a dead stop for a few seconds. We took them off and did an airframes inspection when we got back.

John,

The Marines try to keep our enemies on their toes.........always guessing.....even friends....even other Marines. 

I even have a hard time following the "Borrowed B's"; B built E's, Upgraded B-Es to 540 w/ and wo/ tailbooms,  then purpose built 540 E's.  At some point they all (the survivors) got semi-standardized.  Don't even be asking about engines now.   

Even in an operational unit..........there were variations, as I'm sure there was in the Army.  Radios, control heads, seats, etc.  In the training squadron where they finally all got painted the same and were glumped together and were at least REASONABLY standardized, one only wanted to know what "flavor" so as to know what engine. 

Regards
Steve

Here is a pretty good photo of the Hoist on the UH-1E.

Regards
Steve

You can remove the bubble housing and the cable reel and can remove the hoist arm but your stuck with the divit. 

The ones that I have seen removed, the internal hoist "Pipe" is still there and still sticks thru the cabin roof with a cover on it.  The roof housing may be gone (though, the housing is essentially weightless) as is the hoist arm. 

The Collins bird appears to have removed the pipe and fitted at patch over the hole.  The divit is still there.  Thats too bad as the humps and bumps are part of the E.

Regards
Steve

Ok, thanks, I didn't quite understand what I was looking at in most of the photos. I thought a lot of them had the winch removed.

So basically there is an oval shaped housing just to the right of centerline and above the pilots, then an arm that swings out mounted closer to the right side and finally a little notch to keep the hook secure when not in use. Looks easy enough to coble something together. The arm looks like is it simply a rectangular box on a post with a pully at the end. Does the cable run along the top or is it inside the arm? 

Thanks

Hello Aaron,

Neither the D or the N hoist will work with the E.  The E's hoist is an integral part of the airframe.  The cable reel is located inside that large bubble on the roof.  The hoist arm is external on the roof with the hook sitting in what people are calling the divot in the roof.  The only thing inside the aircraft is a "pipe" from the external hoist down to the cabin deck.  There is a coiled cable with a hand controller for the crew chief to operate. 

The indentifying feature of the E; L; K is that big bubble and hosit arm on the roof.  Any photos of a UH-1E you will see that bubble housing on the roof.

Regards
Steve

Yep, I've already got a Cobra company rotor set to give it a try.

How about the winch, I've got two available to me a bullet shaped one from the 412 and one with an arm from the UH-1D or UH-1N kit. I don't know which would be right (if either).

Aaron,

  Yep, no doubt about it, Italeri AND Hobby Boss both missed the mark with their Charlie models.  You're gonna have to rob a cobra or get the Cobra Company 540 rotor to make one accurate.

Grandad,

  Thanks for the additional OH-58 shots.  I have quite a few but almost none are NG birds.  I just picked up a set of negatives from the Army Aviation Museum which includes, among other things, the arrival pics of the YOH-4, YOH-5, and YOH-6 at the test board.  Very cool stuff.

    Ray

Ray some OH-58 photo's for you

Aaronw, haven't seen a model company do the C right except Academy

The OH-4 that lost the competition to the OH-6, later variant is know as the OH-58

Ok, sounds like Italeri just blew it on the C then, thanks.

OH-58A

Only one I can find right now, may have some more, will check tomorrow, going to the ball game tonight

Been away from the computer for a day and look what happens!

Grandad,

  Thanks fro the UH-1B photo.  You wouldn't happen to have any of the OH-58 ther would you?  I'm building one of those now as well.

Steve,

  Thanks for the Echo pics.  Good to see some new shots.

Aaron,

   I agree with Grandad and Mel.  However, there is one instance I know of which you might call a C with a B rotor.  It really depends on how you define a Charlie model.  The Australian Navy had at least two birds with B model features but left handed fuel fillers.  Check it out: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Australia%20-%20Navy/Bell%20UH-1B%20Iroquois%20(204)/0610228/L/&width=1000&height=679&sok=&sort=&photo_nr=1&prev_id=0707231&next_id=0606518

Personally, I consider this a B model with a left handed fuel filler, but it is different.

    Ray

With all this talk of B's with the 540 rotor, any early Cs with the earlier B style rotor? or Es with the B type rotor with the C modifications?

I've found with Italeri their mistakes can frequently be traced to a source, or maybe they were just sloppy when they made their C kit.

Hey Guys.....

Jumping in a bit late here but i didn't see anybody add the BN for the Collins UH-1E.......which is 153762. 

Here are two photos of her on Okinawa:

She ended up her military career as a trainer at HT-18.  At some point sent to the boneyard and then recovered.

Regards
Steve

Thanks Ray, found this one one of my slides, you can make out the counterwieghts at the top of the photo

Grandad,

  BEAUTIFUL!!!!!  That is a great shot.  If you find anymore of her please post em.  Here's her history from the VHPA Gold Book data.  Thought you might be interested.

    Ray

Information on helicopter 63-08721

Helicopter UH-1B 63-08721

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
Date: 12/01/65
Accident case number: 0D326 Fatality Accident
Number killed in accident = 0 . . Injured = 0 . . Passengers = 0
costing 2844
Source(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Army Aviation Safety Center database.

Crew Members:
AC O3 KIBLING CA
CP O2 EVORS FL
CE E2 LINEHAM D
G E3 SPEARMAN S

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
The Army purchased this helicopter 0864
Total flight hours at this point: 00002124
Date: 08/13/67
Unit: 116 AHC
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was REPAIRED IN THEATER
This was a Recon mission for Armed Escort , Other Aircraft.
While Enroute this helicopter was at Level Flight at UNK feet and 080 knots.
Not Reported
Helicopter took 1 hits from:
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
The helicopter was hit in the Forward area
Systems damaged were: MAIN ROTOR SYS
The helicopter Continued Flight.
The aircraft continued and accomplished all mission objectives.
Original source(s) and document(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Survivability/Vulnerability Information Analysis Center Helicopter database. Also: LNOF, 73397, JSIDR (Lindenmuth Old Format Data Base. Joint Services Incident Damage Report. )

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
The Army purchased this helicopter 0864
Total flight hours at this point: 00002280
Date: 09/20/67
Unit: 116 AHC
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was REPAIRED IN THEATER
This was a Recon mission for Armed Recon
While Enroute this helicopter was at Level Flight at 0300 feet and 080 knots.
South Vietnam
Helicopter took 10 hits from:
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
The helicopter was hit in the Cockpit
Systems damaged were: PERSONNEL, STRUCTURE
Casualties = YES . .
The helicopter Continued Flight.
The aircraft continued and accomplished all mission objectives.
Original source(s) and document(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Survivability/Vulnerability Information Analysis Center Helicopter database. Also: LNOF, 73710, JSIDR (Lindenmuth Old Format Data Base. Joint Services Incident Damage Report. )

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
The Army purchased this helicopter 0864
Total flight hours at this point: 00002401
Date: 10/04/67
Unit: 116 AHC
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was REPAIRED IN THEATER
for Close Air Support
While in Target Area this helicopter was Attacking at 0500 feet and 080 knots.
South Vietnam
Helicopter took 1 hits from:
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
The helicopter was hit in the Passenger Cargo Section
Systems damaged were: PERSONNEL, STRUCTURE
Casualties = YES . .
The helicopter Continued Flight.
The aircraft continued and accomplished all mission objectives.
Original source(s) and document(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Survivability/Vulnerability Information Analysis Center Helicopter database. Also: LNOF, 73850, JSIDR (Lindenmuth Old Format Data Base. Joint Services Incident Damage Report. )

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
The Army purchased this helicopter 0864
Total flight hours at this point: 00002451
Date: 11/21/67
Unit: 116 AHC
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was REPAIRED IN THEATER
This was a Recon mission for Armed Recon
Unknown this helicopter was Unknown at UNK feet and UNK knots.
South Vietnam
Helicopter took 3 hits from:
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
Systems damaged were: FUEL SYS, MAIN ROTOR SYS, STRUCTURE, ENGINE
The helicopter Continued Flight.
The aircraft continued and accomplished all mission objectives.
Original source(s) and document(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Survivability/Vulnerability Information Analysis Center Helicopter database. Also: LNOF, 74117, CRAFX (Lindenmuth Old Format Data Base. Crash Facts Message. )

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
The Army purchased this helicopter 0864
Total flight hours at this point: 00002523
Date: 01/05/68
Unit: 116 AHC
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was REPAIRED IN THEATER
for Close Air Support
While Enroute this helicopter was at Level Flight at 1000 feet and 080 knots.
South Vietnam
Helicopter took 1 hits from:
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
The helicopter was hit in the Right Side
Systems damaged were: UNK
The helicopter Continued Flight.
The aircraft continued and accomplished all mission objectives.
Original source(s) and document(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Survivability/Vulnerability Information Analysis Center Helicopter database. Also: UH1P3, 00505 ()

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
The Army purchased this helicopter 0864
Total flight hours at this point: 00002523
Date: 01/14/68
Unit: 116 AHC
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was REPAIRED IN THEATER
for Close Air Support
Unknown this helicopter was in Orbit at 0700 feet and 080 knots.
South Vietnam
Helicopter took 1 hits from:
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
The helicopter was hit in the Engine Compartment
Systems damaged were: UNK
The helicopter Continued Flight.
The aircraft continued and accomplished all mission objectives.
Original source(s) and document(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Survivability/Vulnerability Information Analysis Center Helicopter database. Also: UH1P3, 01409 ()

Information on U.S. Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
The Army purchased this helicopter 0864
Total flight hours at this point: 00002523
Date: 01/16/68
Unit: 116 AHC
This was a Combat incident. This helicopter was REPAIRED IN THEATER
for Close Air Support
While in Target Area this helicopter was Attacking at 0300 feet and 080 knots.
South Vietnam
Helicopter took 1 hits from:
Small Arms/Automatic Weapons; Gun launched non-explosive ballistic projectiles less than 20 mm in size. (7.62MM)
The helicopter was hit in the Tail Section
Systems damaged were: UNK
The helicopter Continued Flight.
The aircraft continued and accomplished all mission objectives.
Original source(s) and document(s) from which the incident was created or updated: Survivability/Vulnerability Information Analysis Center Helicopter database. Also: UH1P3, 01605 ()

The following is Goldbook information on US Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
It is provided here as an ESTIMATE of the history of this helicopter and is not intended to be the final authority.
This helicopter was purchased by the US Army in 0864.
Please provide any additional information on this helicopter to the VHPA.

The following is Goldbook information on US Army helicopter UH-1B tail number 63-08721
It is provided here as an ESTIMATE of the history of this helicopter and is not intended to be the final authority.
This helicopter was purchased by the US Army in 0864.
Please provide any additional information on this helicopter to the VHPA.

DATE  FLT HRS    UIC      UNIT          AREA          POST          COUNTRY

6610  84 1994 WAX7AA 114 AVN CO AML   VIETNAM                     RVN
6611  23 2017 WAX7AA 114 AVN CO AML   VIETNAM                     RVN
6612   0 2017 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    SUPMACOM
6701   0 2017 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    AVCOM
6702   0 2017 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    AVCOM
6703   0 2017 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    AVCOM
6704   0 2017 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    AVCOM
6705   3 2020 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    AVCOM
6706   1 2021 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    AVCOM
6707  19 2040 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6708  84 2124 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6709 156 2280 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6710 121 2401 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6711  50 2451 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6712  72 2523 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6801   0 2523 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6802  90 2613 WC3GAA 116 ASLT HEL CO  VIETNAM                     RVN
6803  29 2642 WCKGAA 20 TRANS CO      VIETNAM                     RVN
6804   0 2642 WCKGAA 20 TRANS CO      VIETNAM                     RVN
6805   0 2642 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVCOM
6806   0 2642 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN STORAGE NAVAL AIR STN    AVCOM
6807   0 2642 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN STORAGE NAVAL AIR STN    AVCOM
6808   0 2642 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN STORAGE NAVAL AIR STN    AVCOM
6809   0 2642 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVCOM
6810   2 2644 W0MUAA ARADMAC          4TH ARMY   NAVAL AIR STA    AVCOM
6811  18 2662 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVCOM
6812  10 2672 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6901  19 2691 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6902  24 2715 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6903  27 2742 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6904  34 2776 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6905  38 2814 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6906  39 2853 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6907  34 2887 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6908  16 2903 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6909  21 2924 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6910  20 2944 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6911  19 2963 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
6912  15 2978 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7001  20 2998 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7002  15 3013 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7003  18 3031 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7004   7 3038 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7005  21 3059 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7006  15 3074 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7007   0 3074 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7008   0 3074 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7009   0 3074 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7010  24 3098 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7011   8 3106 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7012  15 3121 WAY2AA 1 AVN DET EUCOM  GERMANY                     EUROPE
7101  14 3135 WAY2AA 1ST AVN DET      GERMANY                     EUROPE
7102   7 3142 WAY2AA 1ST AVN DET      GERMANY                     EUROPE
7103  20 3162 WAY2AA 1ST AVN DET      GERMANY                     EUROPE
7104  17 3179 WAY2AA 1ST AVN DET      GERMANY                     EUROPE
7105   5 3184 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7106  15 3199 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7107  19 3218 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7108   6 3224 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7109   0 3224 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7110   0 3224 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7111   2 3226 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7112   2 3228 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7201   0 3228 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7202   1 3229 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7203   0 3229 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7204   0 3229 WGYYAA 350TH AVN CO     GERMANY                     EUROPE
7205   0 3229 WGYYAA USA PAD          GERMANY                     EUROPE
7206   1 3230 WGYYAA BEL HEL CO       IN MAINT   AMARILLO         AVSCOM
7207   0 3230 W0Y6AA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVSCOM
7208   0 3230 W0MCAA RED RIVER AD     5TH ARMY   RED RIVER AD     AMC
7209   0 3230 W0MCAA RED RIVER AD     5TH ARMY   RED RIVER AD     AMC
7210   0 3230 W0MCAA RED RIVER AD     5TH ARMY   RED RIVER AD     AMC
7211   0 3230 W0MCAA RED RIVER AD     5TH ARMY   RED RIVER AD     AMC
7212   0 3230 W0MCAA RED RIVER AD     5TH ARMY   RED RIVER AD     AMC
7301   0 3230 W0MCAA RED RIVER AD     5TH ARMY   RED RIVER AD     AMC
7302   0 3230 W0MCAA RED RIVER AD     5TH ARMY   RED RIVER AD     AMC
7303   0 3230 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVSCOM
7304   0 3230 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVSCOM
7305   0 3230 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVSCOM
7306   2 3232 W0MUAA ARADMAC          IN MAINT   NAVAL AIR STN    AVSCOM
7307  19 3251 WPPVD0                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7308   6 3257 WPPVD0                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7309  26 3283 WPPVD0                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7310  20 3303 WPPVD0                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7311   6 3309 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7312  11 3320 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7401   1 3321 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7402   9 3330 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7403   0 3330 WQMAT0                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7404   0 3330 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7405   0 3330 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7406  26 3356 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7409   0 3377 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7410   4 3381 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7411   0 3381 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7412   0 3381 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7501   0 3381 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7502   1 3382 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7503   8 3390 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7504   0 3390 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7505   1 3391 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7506   1 3392 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7507   0 3392 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7508  14 3406 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7509   4 3410 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7510   0 3410 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7511   4 3414 WQMAAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI
7512   5 3419 W7NUAA                  NAT GUARD                   NAT GDZI

Ray, found this one, others I can't make out enough detail to be sure, all are aerial like this one, need to dig a little deeper

Thanks Grandad!  I appreciate it.

  Ray

I'll check Ray

grandadjohn wrote:

From the look of the yellow and red markings, I believe this is an early C model before they started putting on the particle seperators.   Wanted to add a note that a few B model gunships survived into the 70's and early 80's, We had a few in my Guard unit during that time period. Can't remember in some had the old M-22 (SS-11 missile system) installed

Grandad,

  I totally agree.  In fact, I have yet to see an actual photo of something I'd call a 540 B even though I know they existed.  Any chance you have any photos of NG B's?  I'm supposedly building one for Jon for the NG Museum and I need some good ref shots.

     Ray

Huey367 wrote:

A note about the Marines having B and C model Hueys. VMO-1 at New River had repainted Army B and C before the E models began to arrive in 1967. This was due to the first production models going to USMC units (VMO 3 and 6) in Vietnam. As we received the E's, we sent the B and C's back to the Army. The Marine Corps E model Hueys were a similar to the B and C's in shape, but a different animal. They were made to Navy / Marine Corps standards and none of the Marine or Navy Hueys were converted B or C models. Also, the USMC UH-1E had 2 staggered horizontal M-60 machine guns with a 19 shot 2.75 rocket pod of the ordance racks on either side of the Huey. We didn't like the 7 shot. The door gunners had M60s with various and homemade mounts.

Welcome Huey 367!  You happen to have any pics or info on the Charlie models from the Army?  The B models are well documented here now, but I would really be interested in any info on Army C models that went to the Marines.  It is hard for me to believe the Army would have given up a Charlie during that time period as the Cobra was not yet fully fielded and the C model was the interim gunship.  I'll never say never, just hoping you might have a photo or a tail number.

The M-60/2.75 in rocket setup you mentioned is called the TK-2 system. It's mentioned and I believe I posted a photo early in this thread.  The Marine H-34's used the TK-1 system.  I'd LOVE to see any photos you have of ANY Marine Hueys from that time period!

   Thanks,

         Ray