UH-1E from an F + B or C?

rotorwash wrote:

That bird is a perfect example of why there is no "true OD"  in any paint line.  You can find every shade of OD immaginable on Army birds at one time or another depending on age of the parts and when/where they were painted.  I'm not very suprised to see mismatched panels and doors.  In fact, it's one of the things I want to work on with my future builds, matching the mismatched nature of many Hueys in Vietnam.  I just figured you'd want one that had matching parts for hauling generals around.    Ray Now here's what your VIP bird should look like! [img]http://" border="0" />[/img]

I remember one time walking out on the flight line with a couple of pilots and one remarked about a heavily spot painted Huey "I didn't know there where that many shades of OD"

I don't remember any Army birds the had the fuel filler moved from the right to the left during any rebuilds or have the pitot tube moved from the nose to the roof either. Not saying it never happened though.

But here is a much nicer "Ride".  Stab Bar "N", 158553.  More recent, find it as a rebuilt HH-1N.

Regards
Steve

The N model Huey is from HMX-1. They have 2 paint jobs - White Top tricked out for the President and the one shown with just a pretty paint job. The Christmas Huey was an HML-367 Huey for Bob Hope on of his Christmas tours in Vietnam.

VMO-1 New River, NC

The first UH-1Es were painted a flat field green when we got them. Then they began to arrive in a bright field green. Then they went to PAR and came back with a special non-IR reflecting paint that got so hot you could fry eggs on it. Than they painted them with a new shiny epoxy green paint.

HML-367 WestPAC

The Hueys we had were a flat green. We used hydrolic fluid to shine them up for VIP missions. We had several Hueys that came off a ship or the Rose Garden that had several shades of green from flat to bright depending on where they went to PAR. The spotted ones are because you used what ever you could find to make repairs as long as it was green. Every once in a while you would see them with bright lime green spots. This was a dye penitrating paint used to look for cracks. Sooner or later they would be painted.

So, if you have any green paint that looks similar to a picture - use it and you will be accurate.

Here's ome facys you maybe interrested in:

Marine Helicopters/Rotorcraft - 1932- 2008+

Bell
HTL-2 HMX-1-- 1st a/c 9 Aug 48
HTL-3 HMX-1, VMO-6
HTL-4 HMX-1, VMO-6

AH-1G "Cobra" 38 loaned from Army. 9 lost in Vietnam. 1 T-53-L-13 engine
AH-1J "SeaCobra"  VMO-1 --1st a/c Sept 70. 2 T-400-CP-400 engines
AH-1T "SeaCobra"
Improved version. T-400-WV-402 TOW capability HMA-169 -- 1st a/c May 78
AH-1W "SuperCobra" T-700-GE- HMLA-169 -- 1st a/c Mar 86
AH-1Z "Viper" Upgrade of AH-1W w/4-blade main rotor

UH-1B "Huey" 20 loaned from Army. Operated by VMO-1 1966-68
VH-1D "Huey" 2 used by HMX-1 1970-72
UH-1E "Huey" T-53-L-11
HH-1K "Huey" SAR version T-53-L-13
UH-1N "Huey" T-400-CP-400
HH-1N "Huey" SAR version
VH-1N VIP version. HMX-1 had 6
UH-1Y "Venom" In service with HMLAT-303 2008

151266/151298  Bell UH-1E Iroquois
    c/n 6001/6033.  For US Marine Corps
    151267 (UH-1L: C/n 6002). Became N455CC, which registration was cancelled Apr 30, 2003 as 'destroyed'
    151268 (c/n 6003) Noted Mar 2006 at National Museum of Naval
     Aviation, Pensacola, FL
    151299 is not a UH-1E according to Bell records.  Next c/n (6034) is BuNo 151840.

151840/151887  Bell UH-1E Iroquois
    C/n 6035/6082.  For USMC.  Bell records have these as being 6034/6081
    151848 (c/n 6043) to AMARC as 7H0172 Oct 8, 1986
    151849 (c/n 6044) crashed NAS Jacksonville, FL Oct 23, 1968
    151853 (c/n 6048) to AMARC as 7H0168 Sep 15, 1986
    151858 (c/n 6052) to civil registry as N121FC.  Listed as written off and scrapped.
    151875 (c/n 6069) became N151LC, then EC-ERK

153740/153767  Bell UH-1E Iroquois
    c/n 6107/6134.  For USMC.  Bell records have these as being c/n 6106/6133

154730/154749  Bell TH-1E Iroquois
154750/154780  Bell UH-1E Iroquois
    C/n 6134/6164 according to Bell records.  For USMC
    154759 at National Naval Air Museum, Pensacola, FL
    154760 noted Nov 20, 2006 at National Museum of the United
     States Marine Corps, Quantico, VA
    154764 to AMARC as 7H0169 Sep 15, 1986

154943/154969  Bell UH-1E Iroquois
    c/n 6165/6191 according to Bell records
    154945 (c/n 6167) to civil registry as N5010J, then CS-HBT
    154949 (c/n 6171) became N116HS.  Formerly stored at Beckley,
     England.
    154951 to N4692Z
    154957 (c/n 6180) to AMARC as 7H0171 Oct 8, 1986
    154961 w/o Oct 3, 1979

155337/155367  Bell UH-1E Iroquois
    c/n 6192/6202 according to Bell records.   
    155344 to civil registry as N454CC.
    155348 (c/n 6203) to civil registry as N48SS, then CS-HBU. 
    155350 (c/n 6205) to civil registry as N5025V in 1988.  Exported to New Zealand
     as ZK-IUE in 2002.
    155351 (c/n 6207) became N5089Q; registration cancelled by FAA Feb 13, 2003 as 'destroyed'
155355/155367  Bell UH-1E Iroquois
    Contract cancelled.

Hey Huey367,

Good info, thanks for posting that.

The VH-1N that I posted is a tad more than just a good looking paintjob.    In fact, it has the same tricks as the white tops.  Just look at the doors.  No sliding doors for this one. 

Regards
Steve

Huey367 wrote:

The N model Huey is from HMX-1. They have 2 paint jobs - White Top tricked out for the President and the one shown with just a pretty paint job. The Christmas Huey was an HML-367 Huey for Bob Hope on of his Christmas tours in Vietnam.

 Sorry I should have mentioned that the "Christmas Huey" is from 1970.  The photos were taken by Troy Fultz and sent to me by Wayne Mutza.  According to what I wrote down it was HML-167 but perhaps I mistyped the description.

     Ray

Here's another Echo from the archives down in P'cola.  Just cause you can never have enough pics of Hueys!

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Ray,

I believe that was 167's Christmas bird. 

OUTstanding UH-1E addition.  Did you have a year for that?  It "Appears" to be NAS Ellyson Field.  It would "Appear" that they (USN HT-8 or HT-18) just recieved a "New" addition to the training fleet.  HT-8, the basic helicopter training squadron split keeping the basic mission and splitting off the advanced to HT-18 in 1972.  Thanks for posting that.

I'm sure that's the maintenance officer discussing how they are going to paint out the MARINES and paint in NAVY and generally "ugly up" the paint job. 

The VH-1N shot was taken in 1982-83 timeframe.  I took the shot.

Regards
Steve

Hey Grandadjohn,

I would have bet along with you about moving the pitot and re-tanking but the photos are showing the changes.  Must be a Marine thing.  At least we were going for some kind of standardization..........which was generally achieved..........just when they were on the way to AMARC.    Maybe it was just cheaper to get it done in Tainan.

Regards
Steve

Steve,

  Sorry, That photo doesn't have a date that I can find listed.  It was part of the archive slides down in P'cola as was this one.  No date here either, but this is one of my favorite Echo shots (the snake in the background is cool too).

  Ray

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The Huey and J model Cobra picture was taken between 1971 or 1972. The EM on the tail is for HMM-261 and would have been shot while on detachment to the squadron during a Med or Carib cruse. This is one of the very few pictures of the 2 together.

The original 9 Sea Cobras showed up at VMO-1 in September 1970 and were sent to Vietnam late summer 71 with pilots and crew. The next 6 Sea Cobras went directly to HMM-261 along with VMO-1s last 6 E model Hueys. HML-167 was formed at New River and VMO-1 was split. The OV-10s stayed with VMO and the new UH-1Ns including 6 Navy UH-1Ns, painted epoxy gray, with a special artic package formed HML-167. I went with 167 and in 1972 I went with HMA-269 when 167 was split to form the Cobra squadron.

I was in HMX-1 Executive Squadron in 1976, we had 6 UH-1Ns and 6 HH-1Ns. The 2 White Tops had leather seats and a special radio package. The other 4 had padded seats with the VIP package. Only the the President or Cabinet could use the White Tops. Whole other topic.

Since I have the Echo experts' attention, maybe one of you can tell me the proper color for this bird.  I think this is around 79. also from the archives down at P'cola.  Not really a visually interesting scheme but I guess an effective one. Thanks for all the info so far guys.

    Ray

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Hey Huey367

The UH-1E and AH-1J are out of Hawaii.   That's Kaneohe in the background.  I "think" that's an "EW" but eyes might be playing tricks.    So i think this "crowd" was working up for the westpac float.  EW is tailcode for H&MS-24 out of MCAS Kaneohe Bay.

I was at HMX later, when the VH's came out of the desert and were seriously upgraded.  Porche of Hueys.

Huey on!

Regards
Steve

Was that a color? 

Seems that all the reserve squadrons (Navy and Marine) were getting nicely redone UH/HH-1E/Ks from rework in late 70s into the 80s with the extreme flat paint.  Can't tell you the FS number, don't know it, but if you parked it in the trees, you'd loose it.

Steve

Steve,

  Thanks.  Anyone want to see more Echos?  If so I have only begun to post.  I'd personally love to see any you guys have as well.  I'll put this thread in the "Links to huey threads" thread at the top of the page for future referrence.  I think we have explored this topic pretty well and there's some great info and photos with all the stuff you and Huey367 have posted.

   Ray

Times a wast'n.....yes we do Ray!!!!!!

You made some really good finds at the museum.  Please share. 

Steve

Well OK then.  Here's another one.  HML-267 May 19 1977 at China Lake.  BuNO 155349.

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Very interesting.  I was kinda surprised that a mainstream squadron was still using the E at that date.  Obviously the "Shiney Period".

I was at HT-18 instructing at that time, and we got a "load" of shiney west coast Marine UH-1Es in to augment the squadron (we had 72 aircraft at that time and growing....we were flying the red and white TH-1L at the time).  The navy....bless their hearts, Blacked out the MARINES in WHITE and painted Navy in Black,  painted several panels RED.  THEN.....as maintenance was an assembly line operation, they would throw on whatever cowling was just sitting around.  RED and WHITE, Flat Green, Shiney Green, Chromate Green........it was wild.  I LOVED to take one of those on a cross country and land at Air Force bases.............as scuzzie as we looked......we got met by a many striped guy with a BIG clip board taking notes of whats missing.  Remember....it says NAVY on the side.    I would just

I love it Ray, thank you!!

Steve

Hey Ray,

Found 155349 the HML-267 bird in my logbook.  I also "found" a photo of her after the Navy (HT-18 training squadron) got done with her as a teaching tool..........Sent to the desert.........having never been given the "school colors" red and white paintjob. 

Regards
Steve

Steve,

  Too cool!  I love seeing the "before" and "after" shots.  How many more of those pics do YOU have sitting around?  You must have flown more hours in a Huey than just about anyone I know.  OK, this one is off the subject a little, but while i have your attention, do you happen to know anything about this bird.  It looks to be a UH-1D with a little Playboy bunny on the tail.  Looks like it's at a Navy base so I figured you might have an idea.  I'll get beck to the Echos with the next post.

   Ray

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Don't have a clue.

I know noooooooooooooothing!

Don't see no stinking SN or N number.  So i guess we can't even talk about it. 

Looks like the west coast with lots of old airplanes hanging around............or they are new airplanes a long time ago.    At a NARF??  SD or Alameda maybe.

Ray when I was driving them around, couldnt just slip a point and shoot DC into my pocket.  I'd be doing it today, thats for sure.

Steve

 I only have one nice color pic from my referrence books/magazine's

They appear to be two early 'Echo birds' the one in the background seems to have an instrument type probe mounted on top of the rotor shaft ?

                                           John

Hatter50 wrote:

Don't have a clue. I know noooooooooooooothing! Don't see no stinking SN or N number.  So i guess we can't even talk about it.

Steve, Steve, Steve.  Didn't your momma ever teach you to look at the doors!  Looks like N72376 to me, but I could be mistaken.  That help any?

    Ray

Hey John,

Good find.  No's 1 and 2.  151266 and 151267.

Ray.........your cheating..........photobucket made YOUR photo smaller.  My maginfyers can hadly see the WINDOW! 

Steve

Helo 53 wrote:

I only have one nice color pic from my referrence books/magazine's They appear to be two early 'Echo birds' the one in the background seems to have an instrument type probe mounted on top of the rotor shaft ?                                            John

151266 (bird with the test gear on the rotorhead) was the first UH-1E and 151267 (foreground) was the second.  You could definitely call those "Early Echos"!  That from the Chant UH-1 Super Profile book?

   Ray

Looks like we were posting at the same time there Steve!  Try clicking on the pic, it makes em bigger!  I figured you knew that, sorry.

    Ray

Ray, I'm still on the turnip wagon............

Photobucket resizes on upload, at least it does to me.  So I figure your looking at a GIANT photo and we have a slightly smaller one here.

N numbers are there to "confuse" people.    never know just who owns up to it.  Especially if its a removeable placard. 

Steve

Nah, I was looking at the pic as it was posted.  No worries. Sorry to have steered this cool thread down a rabbit trail.  The photo was from the Navy archives so I made the rash assumption that it had something to do with the Navy!  Gimme a bit and I'll post another Echo and get things back on track.  Thanks anyway!

   Ray