UH-1E from an F + B or C?

OK back to the subject of this thread.  Here's a bird from VMO-6 Ky Ha Dec 1965 from Ed Alexander via Wayne Mutza. 

   Ray

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OOPS.........

Speaking of rabbit holes..........I bumped into this on a Japanese site.  Just an ordinary Huey......sorta.

This is a brand new UH-1N, AFCS no stab bar in 1976 with HML-367.  My "Favorite" paint scheme, shiney field green (of some shade) and white stenciling.  Has not been to SDLM to get those awful DANGER JET INTAKE decals.  Just all green and white markings.  The first loads came by C-5s straight from the Bell factory.  New Car smell in a Marine Huey....What could be finer?

The field is the former AAF Hamby, changed to MAF Hamby, just down the hill from Futenma.  I'm sure it's a driving range now.

Anyway........thats my favorite paint scheme.  Flys fast also. 

Regards
Steve

I know about "clicking".................

but photobucket DOES downsize.

Steve

Ray

1965...........would appear that its got the nose pitot and can't tell about tankage.  Hasn't been to the paintshop either.  

Steve

Steve,

  Yes, Photobucket does downsize.  I upload them at as high a res as I can, but you can't have it all I guess. Sooooo, shiny green with white stencils is your favorite paint scheme huh?  Well, these are just for you, my friend.

   Ray

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That should keep you happy for a while 

Yes Sir..............those made my day.  Didn't fly the first 3 as they were in a squadron "down the hall" but they got ALL the shiney ones.  HML-268 stood up, flew a few years, and then switched and became HMM-268 flying the CH-46.  Guess they did that when they combined the HMLs and HMAs into HMLAs.  Those photos were fairly fresh out of the factory.

#4 159198 from HMT-303, I flew that one in another lifetime.  Very interesting seeing that bird.  Many good miles...........

Thanks again Ray.  Do you have any more of the "E" shineyed up? 

Regards
Steve

Hatter50 wrote:

Ray, I'm still on the turnip wagon............ Photobucket resizes on upload, at least it does to me.  So I figure your looking at a GIANT photo and we have a slightly smaller one here. N numbers are there to "confuse" people.    never know just who owns up to it.  Especially if its a removeable placard.  Steve

True to some extent and I have seen the opposite. M-D had two beautiful H models in the late 80's at the Apache plant in Mesa. They were in the white and red Army markings, wish I had taken a photo

Ray keep posting the Huey photo's, can never have too many

grandadjohn...............I hear your pain.............."if I only had a camera"!!!  been there, done that.

Oh.....to be back flying again........WITH a digital camera!!!!!!!!!!! 

Steve

Gonna have to upload some more Echos from the P'cola archives, but here's one I got from Wayne Mutza that shows the TAT 101 nicely.

   Ray

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Hatter50 wrote:

grandadjohn...............I hear your pain.............."if I only had a camera"!!!  been there, done that. Oh.....to be back flying again........WITH a digital camera!!!!!!!!!!!  Steve

I hear you, think that's I miss the most

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Looks like Alameda NAS, you can see what appears to be the SF Bay Bridge behind the aircraft on the right side of the photo.

Aaron,

  Good eye!  I totally missed that.

    Ray

That is the best picture of a Huey I have seen in years. The paint is the non-reflective paint that I had mentioned earlier.

Many of the Hueys from HML 167 and HML 367 got assigned to FMF and many where put on "the beach" (parked side by side on the flight line) at Subic Bay. When we requested VT-21 (DoubleNuts renumbered VT-00) be returned, it came by ship in 6 boxes. The Navy would canablize the Hueys and later use them. In 1974 we had to send all the weapon racks (TK2) to Subic for the Navy to use. In April 1975, Marines from the States went to WestPAC for Operation Eagle Pull and Frequent Wind. We picked up the our Hueys (E Models) at Subic Bay and returned them to Subic Bay a few weeks later to a fate unknown. That was the last Huey I would see or fly in. To me the only real Huey is the E model. I would end my career supporting the helicopters of HMX-1 as NCOIC of Night Crew - very little flying.

I have something to say to you guys. Thank you. To read these posts from a group of people  who are so deeply interrested in UH-1E really makes me feel good. If you watch a show on TV about Hueys, its always the Army Ds. They may show one or two pictures of the Marines UH-1Es. If you want to tear one a part and put it back together call me, but the name of a colors - there all green to me. Thank You Gentlemen

Huey367,

  Thank you, sir and Steve as well for your service.  It's guys like you two that make this hobby worthwhile to me.  The kits are just plastic, but the history is real and I try very hard to get it right (although I still have a lot to learn).  Send me a PM and I'll make sure you get all the Echo pics I have.  By the way, mind if I ask your name?  Seems kinda wierd calling you Huey367 all the time.  Would you guys be interested in black and white Echo pics as well?

    Ray

Ray,

B&W would be great.  Sometimes the detail on them is even sharper than color.  As for the color thats in the B&W photo.............Huey367 said it best and I wholeheartedly agree...........it's GREEN.  We know it if it's off...........but as long as it's some kind of green........."looks good to me, lets go fly!"  And for an Army guy.....as long as it's OD "let's go fly!". 

Huey367...............thank you for your work at night.  They all worked just fine.     By "boxing and unboxing" in the Philippines....you mean the TK-2s?  Those things were a political no-no for so many reasons by so many brass......until you NEED to shoot something.

In 1975 HML-367 was sitting in Oki with it's UH-1E's.  Not sure if they picked any new ones up.  They did have a distinction of being the "Parent" deployed squadron for a while with other types attached for Frequent Wind.  That rarely happens.

Steve

OK guys, here's you some eye candy!

B-E:

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Refueling at MAG-16, March 23 1969, VMO-2 Marble Mtn, Da Nang:

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MAG-16Oct 10 1968, VMO-2/HML-167 Marble Mtn:

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Another B-E (actually UH-1E no. 2):

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May 8 1971 MCAS Yuma. Serial 157189.  this is actually a HH-1K but it has Marines on the side.  I wish this was in color cause I'm pretty sure this one was gray:

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Well, that's a good start anyhow.  As a note, these pics are from the R.L. Lawson collection and many were taken by him.  they are now in the archives of the US Naval Aviation Museum down in Pensecola.

   Ray

Hey Ray,

Great stuff.  I think the Marine Yuma SAR photo is Orange.  Thats my guess.  I have a Iwakuni SAR photo of a Marine HH-1K.   Green or Gray with Orange tail/nose.

I'm not sure about the 1969 date of the VMO-2 UH-1E.  The VMO's "supposedly" gave up thier UH-1E's to form the new HML-167 and HML-367 in country.  VMO's picked up the OV-10s around that time.  1968.  Those MAG-16 photos just didn't have any clear detail.  What's a year or two slip one way t'other?

Steve

Fresh out of rework!  1972.  I'm guessing this is NARF Atsugi, JA? 

HH-1K 157202 Gray or Orange?  Can't get any fresher than this! 

Steve

I never saw a gray SAR bird. They were always green with orange tail and nose. Some also had an orange top.

VMO-1 received its OV-10s early 68 and when I got there in October, we had our full compliment. VMO-1 split keeping the OV-10s and forming HML-167 at New River, NC in early summer 71. When I got to HML-367 in January 73 we still had UH-1Es (6 on the flight line). When HML-167 transfered its colors to New River, its Hueys and personell transfered to ships and bases in WestPAC. The aircraft went on the HML-367 or FMF books. I was with HML-367 until March 74. During that time, I went TDY to a support ship (H&MS-36), US Embassy Security Siagon, and the Rose Garden (Nam Phong, Thailand). The Marines offically pulled out of Vietnam in June 73 and HML-167 was the last Marine helicopter squadron to pull out of Vietnam (June, 1971). Off the coast (outside the 12 mile limit)and at the Rose Garden, the Marines were still unioffically conducting operations in Cambodia and Vietnam, but offically they no long had any operational bases in Vietnam. The most Huey's we had at HML-367 at Futema was 12. Most of the time the majority were down due to canibilizing them for other Hueys in WestPAC. The personel were TDY to WestPAC units. We got all the Hueys up and had to borrow 2 pilots from the wing for a fly over. The crew chiefs flew left seat.

For Eagle Pull (evacuation of Cambodia) and Frequent Wind (evacuation of Vietnam) the Marine helicopters came from LPHs, the Blue Ridge, and other aircraft carriers in WestPAC. HML-367 provided the personel and support without the squadron leaving MCAS(H) Futema. The squadron received a unit citation for its support.

At HML-367 we had about 20 boxes with TK2s in them. Each box had the 2 racks and 2 door gun mounts. In early 1974, we had to transfer all the weapons racks and spare parts to support them to the Navy at Subic Bay. We kept one back for a static display for a command change on base and the Navy came looking for it.

But I was talking about VT-21 (DoubleNuts). We received a box full of parts, the tail section in a box, an engine can, a transmission can, rotor blades in cans, and a boxed rotor head. The only part that was not in a box was the main cabin section. It took us about 2 weeks to put it back together and test it.

HH-1K's weren't all used for SAR. As Steve has already mentioned, they were basically identical to UH-1L, TH-1L and UH-1E and got "thrown into the mix" later on.  Four were sent to Vietnam in 1970 to serve with the Sealords (HAL-3 slicks). One was destroyed about a week after coming in country over the Gulf of Thailand.  As for gray HH-1K's, Check out this China Lake HH-1K BuNo 157201:

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 Sorry it's so small.

   Ray

PS: Here's my favorite echo pic so far.  I just love the thainer colors.

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So I am currently scanning photos from the Army Aviation Digest collection at Ft. Rucker.  I just found this little gem.  Note it is an XM-31 armed bird.  The XM-31 system consisted of two M-24 20mm cannons mounted on either side of a UH-1B.  Check the roof on this bird.  Yep that's a pitot up there!  You can see the right handed fuel filler in this pic and I have two other photos of this bird from another source that clearly show the UH-1B rotorhead.  Now we have seen all the stages in the progression to the full blown C-style fuselage: UH-1B w/roof mounted pitot only, UH-1B-E w/roof mounted pitot and left handed fuel filler, UH-1C w/old style bell mouth intake and nose mounted FM antennas.  Kinda completes the circle. So, Steve, I guess maybe the roof mounted pitot was a seperate mod after all, albeit practically coincidental with the left handed fuel filler and other UH-1C upgrades.  Who knows how many of these "oddballs" made it out of the factory but I'm betting less than a dozen.  The search continues!

   Ray

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Hey Huey367,

There were so many helicopters used in Eagle Pull, hard to figure out just where all came from.  I do know for a fact that HML-367 went as the parent squadron (of a small herd), lock stock and all Hueys in tow from Futenma (they didn't unpack any Hueys.......had them with them the whole time).  There wasn't a stick left behind at Futenma.  Once they got to the PI, there was a big reorganization again, and 367 was no longer the parent squadron, but det'ed out.  Gentry was the Co during that OP, the flag went with the squadron.

Regards
Steve

Steve,

Still looking for UH-1E pics of aircraft you've flown?  Do these bunos help?  First photos courtesy of GySgt Hennessy - forget where the 267 batch came from:

Hey Supercobra...................

Christmas came early this year!!!!!!!!     What a treasuretrove.  I'll drag out the logbook and see.  Was never in 267 but quite a few of thier castoffs came to P-cola to use as trainers. Hennessy?  I'm banging my head trying to remember him..........  Now that's a guy that took a camera with him.   I rarely did. 

BTW....edited here because I forgot to say THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

Regards
Steve

Randy is truly an awesome resource!   Thanks for sharing those Echo pics.

    Ray

I just found this website looking for any information on my old unit. From January 1973 to April of 1975 I was staioned at Kaneohe Bay Hi. With the 1st Marine Brigade. I was a radio operator with "A" Company 3rd Shore Party. We did Helicopter Support Team Missions, mainly with     HMH-463 (CH-53D's). But we also worked with HMM-261. Being a Headquarters and Maintence Squadron, they had several Huey UH1E's, Cobras and several OV-10 Broncos. I flew several Command and Control Missions and have flown in EW-23. Most of the photos posted of EW-27, I believe were taken in Hawaii. I have photos of the Broncos, Cobras and Huey's parked next to each other.

On April, (I believe 26th) 1974 I was working with Explosives Ordnance Disposal as their radio Operator. We took off from the Pokalowa training area on the big Island, in EW-27. We were looking for a stick of unexploded 500 lb H.E. bombs droppped the day before by an Air Force F-4. The Pilot and RIO reported that the bombs had not detonated when dropped into the nearby Impact Area. We went out to look for them. We never made it. We crashed into Range 5 at Pokalowa. It was one hell of a ride in. Frankly, I knew I was dead....but that's another story, here's the kicker, after flopping arond and grinding the rotors to a stop. We got out.....and I swear to god.....twenty feet in front of the bird, sticking nose first out of the lava, was an unexploded 106mm Recoiless Rifle round. I can still see the black H.E. tip.

I have the photos on my work computer and will try to post them Monday.

Shane O'Brien 

I Found this one at home. It was the last shot for my little Yashica camera, and the last flight for EW-27 

Come on laser cop lets see those pics!!!