My Super 61 (Walcott's bird) in progress

JohanT

Member since
April 2005
From: Gothenburg

Posted by JohanT on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:56 PM

The most constructive thread I have followed so far!
Thank You for sharing intruder_bass!
Thank You for all details mscottholt and all!
Please keep posting guys Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:57 PM

Intruder_Bass, That looks pretty close. Much better job than I could ever do. The scoop has a rather thin profile, and is very hard to see due to the screen mesh.

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chopperfan

Member since
November 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by chopperfan on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:52 PM

I am putting all of this information on my computer.
Starting to get me all worked up. Gonna have to pull the DAP kit off the shelf and start gluing!!!

Randie [C):-)]Agape Models

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:01 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by chopperfan

I am putting all of this information on my computer.
Starting to get me all worked up. Gonna have to pull the DAP kit off the shelf and start gluing!!!

I have 3 moreAcademy MH/UH-60s in the pile, will definitely use the info from here on them.

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:27 PM

Mscottholt, if you dont mind I will ask couple more questions about Black Hawks. Think it can be interesting for others too.
The hawk I am recreating in my model-copy had no fairings around the main landing gear strut just like on picture below. Usually you can't see the upper part of the strut because of the fairing.

#1.the question is: there are 2 "polished metal places" on the strut - one very close to the weel and another goes up. Is this correct or just bad picture makes this fake view? Do you have any close to this section pictures?

#2. ballistic blanket (again)
ALL Black hawks in Somalia had ballistic blankets on the floor. This is the only useful pic that I was able to find. But its still not enough for me - i don’t know how they should be allocated on the floor. Any scheme or other photo will be really appriciated!!!

Thanks a lot
Andy

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:06 PM

#1 WHat the picture shows is correct. I don't have pictures of that area, sorry.

#2 The ballistic blankets are an invention that I didn't see. They were introduced after I left the army. If you are able to find the company that makes it (maybe dupont?) they might have the schematics, but they might be leery about giving out information about armor ballistic protection, in the interests of OPSEC.

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:06 PM

Question or even suggestion to Avus and others who intrested in making home decals for Black Hawk. As you all know the Academy decals are not very good:
1.because of their color
2.they dont have some really usefull stuff - markings like:

So I suggest adding these markings to home-made decals by Avus. I could draw all markings in PHOTOSHOP and prepare them to be added to Avus's decal sheet. All I need is the better quality photo of them and text written on them (if possible) If somebody here still works on this birds or can make picture (i hope this is not secret stuff) - it would be just awesome! At last there should be black Hawks somewhere in museums!

Thanks
Andy

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:21 PM

each one of those is a data plate with the serial number and nsn/description most are hard to read 1/1 scale and the print is very small so anything that looks like them in general would work

sgtkopp

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:00 PM

yes but the last one for example contains some drawings on it.... well from my point of view if there is a possibility to make it closer to original - i will do my best to achieve it.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, May 27, 2005 1:36 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by intruder_bass

Question or even suggestion to Avus and others who intrested in making home decals for Black Hawk. As you all know the Academy decals are not very good:
So I suggest adding these markings to home-made decals by Avus. I could draw all markings in PHOTOSHOP and prepare them to be added to Avus's decal sheet. All I need is the better quality photo of them and text written on them (if possible) If somebody here still works on this birds or can make picture (i hope this is not secret stuff) - it would be just awesome! At last there should be black Hawks somewhere in museums!

Thanks
Andy

Andy -

I'm working on an "expanded edition" decal sheet for MH-60Ls and A/MH-6s based off of what Avus and Heavy Arty have done and there's room a plenty for such markings. Main thing I would need to know are the dimensions of those labels to scale the art properly.

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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Avus

Member since
June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Friday, May 27, 2005 2:09 AM

Great idea!
We could ask two persons (one in the AF and one army guy, you might know who I'm talking about) to get us the dimensions and some close ups to make correct decals.

This is going to become one hell of a decal sheet! If anyone has contacts to Cobra Co., Two Bobs or similar companies we might get them to make a "real" decal sheet.

Klaus

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 27, 2005 5:43 AM

I'm on it (USAF -60 Placards/data plates).

But as my great grandfather used to say back in the old country (Sicily) "I may ask you for a favor in the future" (i.e. a couple decal sheets). Wink [;)]

nudge, nudge, say no more.

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Avus

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June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Friday, May 27, 2005 7:35 AM

OK the AF guy replied! Thanks salbando! Thumbs Up [tup]

Of course you'll be rewarded with an appropriate ammount of decals! Smile [:)]

Klaus

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, May 27, 2005 9:24 AM

OK, I can take a hint. I think I am "The Army Guy". I really don't have regular access to Blackhawks to get pics of data plates though. I'm sure Sal will come through. He is on these birds all the time, everyday. I only get to ride in them every once in a while.

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Mogwa

Member since
January 2004
From: atop a UH-60

Posted by Mogwa on Friday, May 27, 2005 9:28 AM

Im a 60 guy and i can handle the Army stuff. I think I've got a pretty good idea where I can get data plate info.
Mog

UH-60 Crewchief / Technical Inspector and Modelling Addict

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, May 27, 2005 10:35 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Avus

Great idea!
We could ask two persons (one in the AF and one army guy, you might know who I'm talking about) to get us the dimensions and some close ups to make correct decals.

This is going to become one hell of a decal sheet! If anyone has contacts to Cobra Co., Two Bobs or similar companies we might get them to make a "real" decal sheet.

Already on it Wink [;)]

I've spoken with some of you guys off the boards about this, but now's a good time to mention that I've already been looking at vendors for just such a sheet of MH-60L and HH-60G decals. I've already started on MH-60L sheet version 3.0 so yeah, placecard info would be awesome to have.

The manufacturers are all slammed right now getting ready for the Nats and I've got to find time to finish what I've started with the MH-60L sheet (Avus, HA - I haven't forgotten your proofs) so don't expect anything produced before the Nats this July. But it will happen!

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Friday, May 27, 2005 2:21 PM

Guys, YOU ARE THE BEST!!!

Special thanks to Army and AF fellows who agreed to take pictures and (or) info about place cards.
one thing only.... I don’t know what is Nats.
I am planning to finish my Super 61 before July. If its possible I’d love to have decals earlier then CC or other company will accept and start production (may take them a while Smile [:)]

)

thanks
Andy

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, May 27, 2005 4:15 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by intruder_bass

Guys, YOU ARE THE BEST!!!

Special thanks to Army and AF fellows who agreed to take pictures and (or) info about place cards.
one thing only.... I don’t know what is Nats.
I am planning to finish my Super 61 before July. If its possible I’d love to have decals earlier then CC or other company will accept and start production (may take them a while )

thanks
Andy

Sent you an email on the deals. Nats is the IPMS (International Plastic Modelers Society) National competition and show. I think it is in Atlanta this year, early to mid July.

Gino P. Quintiliani - Field Artillery - The KING of BATTLE!!!

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Friday, May 27, 2005 5:34 PM

Next step of my project - main rotor assembly. Still have to add some smaller parts though Smile [:)]

thanks to Mscottholt for photos and info. If everything will go fine next week I'll be ready for the worst part of the model... RIVETS!!!! Dead [xx(]

God help me to handle it!!!

andy

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 27, 2005 6:04 PM

Awesome.
Great attention to detail.
Smile [:)]

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willuride

Member since
May 2015

Posted by willuride on Friday, May 27, 2005 6:17 PM

That thing is coming along great!!

On the bench Knoxville, TN:

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On the Bench Manchester, TN:

1/48 Revell F-18E

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Avus

Member since
June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:55 AM

I'm sorry HeavyArty, I wasn't thinking of you but of mogwa (thanks for dropping by)!

intruder_bass seeing your impressive work I've decided to pack my things and move to an other planet where my models don't have to compete with the accuracy of yours!

Klaus

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Monday, May 30, 2005 8:31 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by intruder_bass

andy

Maybe my eyes deceive me but...is that carved out of...clay?!? Regardless of what it's made from, it looks great. Love those Eduard parts!

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Monday, May 30, 2005 9:59 PM

to Trigger74 No, its not from clay Smile [:)]

its cylinder part from the kit but a little bit "modified". I just glued small pieces of plastic all around cylinder to make it look like cone. All the relief on it is Evergreen's styrene. On photo it is painted with grey primer, so it looks solid but its not Cool [8D]

andy

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:46 AM

Have you considered making resin casts? I'd buy the stuff from you. Hell I'll dig out every photo I can find and send it to you if that would help you.

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:31 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by mscottholt

Have you considered making resin casts? I'd buy the stuff from you. Hell I'll dig out every photo I can find and send it to you if that would help you.

Second the above. I would probably buy a few as well.

Gino P. Quintiliani - Field Artillery - The KING of BATTLE!!!

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:32 AM

I've thought about it but:
I have NO EXPERIENCE in making resin parts. Maybe I could make master-model and send it to some company which is carrying out stuff like that and can put it on production (Cobra Company?). So if there is interest in this just let me know. Right now I already can offer them MAIN TRANSMISSION ASSEMBLY, TAIL GEAR BOX, CABIN CEILING. I am planning to build both engines (academy's are way too simplified) for my next Black Hawk.

2 Mscottholt - If its possible I would appreciate every photo you'll send me. They all help a lot, and more of them I have - more accurate will be the detail. As I said before, if I only had chance to get close enough to Black Hawk with my camera Big Smile [:D]

I really like this aircraft!
Thanks for great pics

Andy

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:21 PM

I just bought an AH-60L DAP, i have afew questions....

Both times i've built helo's, the rotors sagged.....now i know the brass-rod technique... but not alot about it, or how to do it.

Does this kit's rotor's sag aswell??? Do i need to do something to fix this???

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:25 PM

unless you're buildling it in-flight, it's desirable to have the rotors sag a bit. Depends on the airframe, but usually every main rotor blade I ever saw sagged to a certain extent when on the ground. Hopefully your idea of "sag" is the same as mine.

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:50 PM

I am not sure about what kind of "sagging" you are asking. I did not connect blades yet to my rotor. Smile [:)]

The only thing i can tell you for now: I did not find kit's main rotor detailed enough for me so i cut it into several pieces, drilled them and added some metal pipes.

Andy

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