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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 20, 2012 8:40 AM

Ref pictures are nice; WIP pics are even better...

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  • From: Spring Branch, TX
Posted by satch_ip on Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:12 PM

The Vought  XF8U-3 attained Mach 2.39 and it was still accelerating.  The test pilot said it could have made Mach 3.0 but the windscreen acrylic was limited to 2.2 because of the heat generated.  It was powered by a single J75 25,000lb thrust engine.

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  • From: Belgium, EU
Posted by Ninetalis on Friday, August 17, 2012 8:29 PM

If I'm not mistaken, the MiG-25 pilots weren't allowed to use the aircraft's full potential, they were limited to a maximum of mach 2.8 instead of the 3.2 that it was able to reach, Why?

Well if they did, it would melt the engine's in about 8 minutes, how come?

The heat produced by the engine itself would melt the metal and materials inside the engine.
Not something you'd want when flying mach 2/3, not even thinking about the fact that you are actually in a machine made out of metal...

+ some of the records that this bad mother made are still standing today...
With regards, Ninetalis.

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Posted by satch_ip on Friday, August 17, 2012 2:42 PM

I've read that after those high speed record setting runs they had to trash the engines.  On another note, a Delta pilot classmate of mine was a Russian MiG 29 pilot before coming here.

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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, August 17, 2012 2:33 PM

kustommodeler1

Very heavy. And the wheels aren't the only thing that's big:

I wonder how many gallons of fuel per minute run through those things?

Forgive me if my math is off, but the listed SFC for the R-15 engine is 2.7 in burner.

That times its thrust 22,503 in burner sould give you about 60,758.1 lbs per hour which is about 9068 gallons per hour...with both engines running at full burner that is aprox 18,136 gallons per hour.

Granted it could never run in burner for an hour. 


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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, August 17, 2012 2:31 PM

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, August 17, 2012 2:22 PM

Dre

Gawd almighty, lookit the size o' them cans!   Funky green coloration in there too...

lol, I didn't want to be the one to say it! Wink

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Friday, August 17, 2012 1:32 PM

Gawd almighty, lookit the size o' them cans!   Funky green coloration in there too...

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  • From: Exeter, MO
Posted by kustommodeler1 on Friday, August 17, 2012 11:51 AM

Very heavy. And the wheels aren't the only thing that's big:

I wonder how many gallons of fuel per minute run through those things?

Darrin

Setting new standards for painfully slow buildsDead

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 17, 2012 10:57 AM

I'm not sure if that's why they were so big-----possibly because it was SO heavy...

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, August 17, 2012 7:28 AM

Larger wheels - I assume it was meant to operate from secondary landing strips.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:34 PM

WOW...that is a BIG airplane...

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  • From: Exeter, MO
Posted by kustommodeler1 on Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:01 PM

Okay, here's a few pics to get started. This kit is a magnificent hunk of j...ust fine vintage tooling. Well, it's not fair to say that. Fit is good, and assembly will be straightforward. It was probably tooled when not very much detail-wise was known about the bird.

The dimensions are really close compared to line drawings, with the major problem being the wing tips will need a little help, as the very ends are set a little too far to the rear. No biggie. The panel lines are raised, but there are very few of them, and they are in the wrong locations, so I'm going to sand it smooth, and do my very first ever overall rescribe on it.Black Eye I'll also have to scratch the spill doors on the top of the intakes. I can still recommend it though, as , well, there are NO other 1/48 Mig 25s out there, and I've seen them built up to look really good.

Here's an assembly mock-up.

It's no slouch for size, here's a pic with the same scale BF-109.

The main gear wheels are huge compared to an F-15E

More to comeBig Smile

Darrin

Setting new standards for painfully slow buildsDead

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:45 PM

Not sure you will find any logic to it Svenne...Tongue Tied My guess would be they used whatever they ahad available at the time....

Darrin

Setting new standards for painfully slow buildsDead

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:43 PM

Pretty good idea of how cruddy those spaces can get...

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Posted by Svenne Duva on Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:22 PM

Thanks Dre,

ATM my bail out is either light grey or green.

Here are some pictures picked up on the web, displayed here for discussion purpose only.  

Can somone shed some lights on the logic here?

Svenne

sic transit gloria mundi

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:58 AM

Svenne, I'm far an expert in anything, let alone MiG's but I'm using Light Gull Grey for the wheel wells and interior sections of my -21 that aren't painted blue/green.  It's a good neutral color that doesn't attract the eye.

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:37 AM

Manstein's revenge

Cool info...I have the MiG-19 in the stash in 48th from Trumpeter. ..

Soooooo build it!!! Wink

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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  • From: Goteborg / Sverige
Posted by Svenne Duva on Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:58 AM

I would need some advice from the experts,

I am planning on doing a MIG 21 in bare aluminium but every reference picture I have seen has a painted wheel bay - even the ones who are bare metal.

I have seen pale blue, pale green, green, metal grey, grey, pale yellow, yellow, silver and aluminium.

But they are always painted?

Svenne 

sic transit gloria mundi

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:17 PM

Cool info...I have the MiG-19 in the stash in 48th from Trumpeter.  I alwaya have thought the 19 was more interesting, sleeker and more attractive than the 17...one interesting thing is that the 19 was twin-engined...pretty incredible for such a small airframe...

 

 

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:46 PM

This from Wiki:

The MIG-19 lacked mounts for air-to-air missiles but it had the one advantage over the early model Phantoms: it was armed with a cannon. Confirmed aerial victories by MiG-19s while assigned to the 925th FR, which match US records occurred on: 10 May 1972 in which two F-4 Phantoms were shot down by MiG-19s flown by Pham Hung Son and Nguyen Manh Tung. Both NVAF victories over the F-4s were accomplished by cannon fire.[5]['6][7] Combat results of the 925th FR using MiG-19s, according to the North Vietnamese Air Force were: two F-4s on 8 May 1972; two F-4s on 10 May 1972; one F-4 on 18 May 1972; and two F-4s shot down on 23 May 1972;[4] these losses were in exchange for 10 MiG-19s lost in aerial combat with US jets. The MiG-19 did make history in one manner however; on 2 June 1972 over the skies of North Vietnam, the MiG-19 has the inauspicious honor of being the first recorded jet fighter[citation needed] to be shot down in aerial combat by cannon fire at supersonic speeds, by a USAF F-4 Phantom flown by Phil Handley.

5. Michel, Marshall L. Clashes: Air Combat Over North Vietnam 1965-1972. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 1997. ISBN 1-55750-585-3.

6. Sherwood, John D. Fast Movers: Jet Pilots and the Vietnam Experience. New York: Free Press, 1999. ISBN 0-312-97962-2.

7. Ethell, Jeffrey and Alfred Price. One Day in a Very Long War: May 10, 1972, Air Combat, North Vietnam. New York: Random House, 1989. ISBN 978-0-517-07934-8.

If you've read any of these, I'd be grateful for a review. Think I'll search the library for the first one.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:42 PM

Cause I'm a BIG Vietnam arm-chair historian and the N Vietnamese didn't have many Farmers and I wasn't aware that they claimed any kills against US a/c...I believe the US did, however, down 2 MiG-19's during the conflict...

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:51 PM

Why not?

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:29 PM

Wow---did a MiG-19 really gain a kill over an F-4???

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:17 AM

Manstein's revenge

VanceCrozier

How sweet?

VERY sweet...

I knew it!!!  Big Smile

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:16 AM

kustommodeler1 with a Foxbat, bondoman with a Farmer…. this is shaping up nicely.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:29 AM

Yes...

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:10 AM

Farmer, actually a J-6, 1970

Mother, may I...?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:39 PM

Cool...camo on these MOJ0's are rare to see in pics...I beloieve the "grey" scheme is actually natural metal...I'd go for the camo...

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