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  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:02 PM

Thanks very much.  Can't wait to get back to it.  I appreciate the kind words.  

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    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:26 PM

Well, I am back at work on the B29 build.  I had a lengthy business trip which got in the way, then had to go pack and move my mother-in-law in with us after she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease.  That has slowed me down somewhat but I am finally able to get back to the workbench.

I have completed the interior of the fuselage now and dry fit the two halves together to be sure they fit:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

You can see the tape to hold things together; I have not yet glued the fuselage seam together.

Here is a shot of the cockpit interior:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

I have begun putting the wings assemblies together; they are glued together and drying now:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

Had a small disaster I am coping with.  To make a long story short, there is now a small kitten in our house.  Found her after she was hit by a car and "inherited" her (along with her medical bills!).  She has  discovered the workbench, and suddenly today I realized I am missing the small tail skid from the B29 which had been carefully painted and set aside.  Have searched high and low but have not found what she did with it.  I may have to rebuild it from scratch!

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    August 2012
Posted by JimNTENN on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:45 PM

Real nice work. I had that kit back in '85 I think. Never finished it for reasons I can't remember. I bought it again a few months ago and it's patiently waiting in my ever growing stash. I'd love to be able to find some after market decals to dress it in the markings of either one of the planes that dropped the atom bombs. Haven't found any yet.

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  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: Mobile, AL
Posted by RotorHead10 on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:42 PM
That is most excellent work. I as well have that one awaiting in the stash pile. You're going to make me pull the trigger on my '29 or the '36. I've never taped my fuse sides together. I'm intimidated by having pro weld/tenax turn the sticky part of the glue into a solvent mess. How do you like that technique?

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    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:41 PM

I haven't glued the fuselage halves together yet; so far I just dry fit them to be sure all the interior parts were aligned on both sides properly.  I'd have the same concern using tape to hold it together after glue was applied to the seam.  To be honest, I am not sure how I will clamp the sides together when I glue it.  I'll have to think about that for a bit. The tail is easy, but the rest might require special clamps.

Got several other issues rattling around, such as how to attach and mask that odd-shaped canopy, and how to attach and brace the wings until they dry.  My research is showing that there were several different kinds of metal finish on the engine nacelles including some stainless steel to dissipate heat.  About time to invest in some Alclad II.

  • Member since
    October 2013
Posted by Thomas_M on Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:04 PM

Just in time for your build here Eduard is going to offer some of their photo etched wonders for this kit. Also the wheels will be available from their BRASSIN series. Some months ago I was able to get my hands on their masking set for the kit´s clear canopy parts.

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Thomas

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:48 PM

I did some research today on the Eduard photoetched set, and canopy mask set.  NOW you tell me!  Might have to invest in the mask, although I think using the thin metal  foil sheet film would do just as well. The photoetched set is very impressive, but pretty expensive when you consider most of it will be locked inside the fuselage out of sight.  Be cool for a cut-away version, though.

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Lyons Colorado, USA
Posted by Ray Marotta on Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:31 PM

When I built my B-29 I carefully cut the rear crew entry hatch open and also opened the door between the bunks and the CFC compartment...

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  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:27 PM

I bet that looked impressive.  The Eduard photoetched set would be perfect for that today.  The Monogram kit I am using has a nice photo on the side of the box of a interior view of the aircraft.

I am awaiting some paint and so have not cemented the fuselage together yet.  Have begun details on the engines and cowlings.  And manufactured a new tail skid to replace the one the cat stole!

More photos soon.

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:02 PM

Ok, it's time for another stupid question!

 I know the model is tail heavy, so I have to put weight somewhere up front to keep it resting on its nose wheel.  Check.  So I was looking for some space in the forward fuselage that would be hidden from sight where I could epoxy in some BB's to add weight.  Found a nice space around the forward lower gun turret that would work ok.  Then I thought, why fill in  AROUND the gun tub, when I could FILL IN the gun tub?

So I filled the two forward gun tubs with BB's, the upper turret and the lower turret.  My question is, how much weight is required?  I weighed the two BB-filled tubs, and combined they weight 0.90 ounces.  Think I need more weight stuffed somewhere, before I glue the fuselage shut?

cheers, Bob

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Lyons Colorado, USA
Posted by Ray Marotta on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:14 PM

I hammered lead split shot fishing sinkers so I was able to stuff some under the flight deck.  I also fit some in between the engine faces in the cowlings and the front of the nacelles.  If you replace the BBs with fishing sinkers you will have enough weight.  IIRC, I also weighted the 500lb bombs in the forward bomb bay.

ANY weight forward of the main gear will help...

Ray

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    June 2013
  • From: Jax, FL
Posted by Viejo on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:17 PM

Bob, try to set it on stands under the wings were the main gear attach.  You should be able to approximate how much weight will be needed to hold the nose down.  Also, adding the SAC metal landing gear will add some weight up front.

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:44 AM

OK, thanks.  I think 0.90 ounces won't be enough, so I am going to add another ounce or two to the space around the gun tub underneath the flight deck.  Hammering fishing weights flat seems like the best approach for that, thanks.  I am nervous about putting weights in the engine nacells because they do not look to me as if they attach very firmly, just by the glue bond (looks like a butt joint to me when I dry fit them) and so I am not confident they can handle any more weight inside.

cheers, Bob

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Sunday, January 5, 2014 6:46 PM

Well, I am finally back at the workbench.  I was right about 0.90 ounces not being enough; I had to almost quadruple it before the center of gravity shifted forward.  I took Ray's advice and got some lead fishing weights which I then hammered flat and inserted into the lower equipment bay (under the radio operator's seat).  Photo below:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

I ended up putting in five sheets hammered flat, in addition to the weights in the gun turrets and a few more that I added to the sides.  As you can see in the photo, I can no longer put the lower gun turret tub in the aircraft, so I'll just glue the turret on.  Getting the right weight was a major step because I could not glue the fuselage halves together until I was SURE I had that right. 

Now she sits level balanced on a roll of masking tape:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

I also took a shot of the overall aircraft dry fit together again:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I called my friend for whom I am making this and we discussed some specific markings and features of his aircraft.  The kit has two versions of the radar dome, one a simple cylinder and the other a more aerodynamic oblong shape.  I confirmed with my friend that he had the earlier, simple cylinder shape on his bird (and he should know; he was the radar operator!).  He also confirmed that the color of the radome was light grey, not natural metal.

I found a two photos of his bird, one with nose art (a simple script "Sweet Sue") and the other without.  He confirmed that the nose art was added after the June 1945 mission in which he won the DFC; in fact, it was added after the war was over.  That makes my decal problem a bit easier; no nose art. 

I also found, in the book "B-29s in Action" a photo of two B-29s on Iwo Jima, captioned as being in May 1945.  A close inspection astonished me by revealing it was my friends aircraft!  All the markings matched, being 9th Group, 1st Squadron, and bird Number 5.  So I sent the photo to my friend and he confirmed that not only was that his bird, it was taken after they landed at Iwo on the June 1945 mission over Kobe, in which they all won DFC's.  He said the caption was wrong, because his aircraft only made one stop at Iwo.  He said they ran out of engines and propellers, in his usual understatement.

I picked up a cheap model of  Messerschmidt with which to practice my Alclad II skills.  I have Aluminum, Polished Aluminum, and Stainless Steel to practice with.  I tried the Aluminum already, over a coat of Future and also a coat of gloss black, and did not care for it, so I am going to try the Polished Aluminum next and see if I like it better. 

Stay tuned, film at eleven!

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Medina, Ohio
Posted by wayne baker on Monday, January 6, 2014 10:53 AM

 I may get so drunk, I have to crawl home. But dammit, I'll crawl like a Marine.

  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: Ohio
Posted by B-17 Guy on Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:28 PM

I've followed this build becuse I've got the same very slightly started. As far as weighing down the nose to sit right, one thing I was thinking is to reduce weight in the tail in the first place. I'm gonna leave out the rear interior and bombay, wont be able to see it anyway so why add the the bunk beds? Its just more plastic weight. I've got fine steel shot for nose weight, I figure that and elmers glue should do the trick.

Nice work so far!

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:38 PM

Another update.  First, to B-17 Guy, I also left out the bunk beds and some of the rear interior, but it didn't matter much because there is very little weight contained in those parts compared to the sheer mass of plastic in the fuselage and rear wing mass (rear as in behind the wheels).  Photo below shows the two fuselage halves just about ready to be mated together.


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

I also spent some time today sanding and puttying the wing halves to get rid of the seams.  You can see one wing in the photo above.  Photo below shows the worst of the seams, on the engine nacelle sides.


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

I want to get the wings in as good a shape as I can before I try to attach them.

I also discovered that I wasn't as smart as I thought when I painted the wheel wells.  I carefully painted the dark green in the wheel wells,  but completely forgot to do the sides of the wells, which were part of the wing assembly.  As a result, I had to try to mask and touch those up after the wing halves were glued together.  At least I found it before I painted the wings!


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

Speaking of painting, I went out and got a second model of a ME-109 and used it to practice my Alclad II skills.  Below photo shows three different colors of Alclad II:  a Polished Aluminum on the left, a straight Aluminum on the upper right, and Stainless Steel on the lower right.  I thought they all came out very good.  All were placed over a base coat of Gray Primer, followed by a Gloss Black.  I know the Gloss Black isn't required for the Aluminum paint, but wanted to see how it came out.  I think I will use the Polished Aluminum for the base airplane covering, the Stainless Steel for those panels in the exhaust path (per the real airplane) and the straight Aluminum for the fabric-covered horizontal and vertical control surfaces.


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

Stay tuned, film at eleven!

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Friday, January 10, 2014 11:08 AM

Just a note on the bunk beds. Several years ago on this forum a former B-29 maintenance man said that he never saw bunks in a B-29 like Revell depicts them. They were folded on the sides of the fuselage. Any confirmation on this?

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  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Friday, January 10, 2014 11:25 AM

Only evidence I have comes from the B-29 walkaround book by Squadron, and my conversations with my friend *** Baker.  The squadron book does not show any bunk bed configurations, and *** was positively amused by the notion that there were bunks onboard.  That space was converted to his radar station in the birds he flew. 

I can theorize two things:  the bunks might have been part of the B-29 original design, before the radar stations were envisioned, and so that is where Revell got them, or perhaps they were a part of the Silverplate design for the birds configured to carry the atomic bombs.  I have no idea if either of those two conjectures are actually true.

But *** thought it was the funniest thing he had ever heard when I mentioned the bunk beds...

  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: Ohio
Posted by B-17 Guy on Friday, January 10, 2014 6:25 PM

The alclad looks nice, when I get there on mine I'll be using plain silver though. Alclad is supposed to depict metal surface's so why use that on the fabric control surfaces?

I really like your interior work by the way.

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Friday, January 10, 2014 7:43 PM

Thanks, I've enjoyed doing the interior, even though most of it can't be seen.  I chose to use the Alclad II on the fabric surfaces because they are molded as fabric, with a "stippled" look to them.  In the real airplane they were painted aluminum in color so I thought the Alclad would be good for that.  That color (simply called "aluminium") coupled with the fabric-like molding, should look sort of flat in color and ought to be pretty close.   If it doesn't look right, I'll try something else!

Big step today; glued the fuselage halves together.  

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    March 2008
  • From: Ohio
Posted by B-17 Guy on Friday, January 10, 2014 10:24 PM

The texture of the plastic has nothing to do with how flat or shiny it will be, its all in the paint used. I'm telling you this ahead before you have to paint over the alclad. Also, the texture that is on the control surfaces is not accurate at all, on the real plane it is smooth except for the rib detail.

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:57 AM

The texture of the fabric surfaces on the model does look a little rough compared to photos I have of the real aircraft:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

The reference guide I am working from is the Squadron Signal book, B-29 Walkaround by Savage, which is excellent.  They had a few photos of the control surfaces as well:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

As you say, you can see the rib detail in the fabric-covered part but it does not look so rough as the model moldings. 

I'll mull this over a little bit more.  I may use an acrylic for the fabric sections.  I live about an hour away from the Udvar-Hazy Center near Dulles; perhaps I will go pay the Enola Gay another visit and see what the real thing looks like. 

thanks, Bob

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:00 AM

Oops.  third picture in the reply above is a duplicate.  The correct picture I intended to use is this one:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

Cheers, Bob

  • Member since
    March 2008
  • From: Ohio
Posted by B-17 Guy on Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:12 AM

That last pic shows exactly why I say not to use alclad on the control surfaces.

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    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:15 PM

I am back at it again.  Primed a bunch of parts in preparation for applying the Alclad II on gear door, bomb-bay doors, and engine cowlings.  Also began to paint the propellors.  I was getting tired of just sanding seams, so had to diversify!


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

I also took a shot of the cockpit interior.  About to start masking the canopy, which promises to be a real chore.


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

Cheers, Bob

  • Member since
    February 2012
  • From: Olmsted Township, Ohio
Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, January 20, 2014 1:56 AM

Looking great Bob.  Have fun with that nose, you could be there a while....or you could try these.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eduard-1-48-EX367-Canopy-Mask-for-the-Revell-Monogram-B-29-Superfortress-/380814397539?hash=item58aa4e9063#ht_283wt_684

Joe

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Monday, January 20, 2014 8:26 AM

Joe:  well, that is brilliant.  I had seen an earlier post about a photo-etched set for the interior of the B-29, but since mine wasn't to be a cut-away it seemed like a lot of money for something that was hidden away.  I somehow missed seeing the mask kit.  It took me roughly 30 seconds to order one from the time I saw your post!  That will make life a LOT easier!

thanks, Bob

  • Member since
    December 2002
Posted by 7474 on Monday, January 20, 2014 11:58 AM

I'm really liking your build

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    August 2013
Posted by RCH73 on Monday, January 20, 2014 5:34 PM

7474:  thank you, it is enjoyable (so far).  Today's adventure was with the engine cowlings.  The 1st Squadron, 9th Bomb Group (where my friend was assigned) had gloss white rings around all the cowlings, and a white strip on the top of the vertical stabilizer.  So I painted the rings around the engines today:


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

These little jewels will be very interesting when completed.  The ring around the entrance was made of stainless steel; then there is the white ring, then the polished aluminum on the flaps.  There will be three different colors on each engine cowling, followed by the engine detail inside and set off by black props with silver nose cones and yellow tips. 

I also painted the steel wheel hubs today.  I ordered the B-29 masking kit from Eduard from somewhere in the Uk today, and when it arrives it has masking frets for the wheels.  I'll mask off the steel and then repaint the black tires.


image by robertholcomb73, on Flickr

Stay tuned, film at eleven.  They are forecasting 4-6 inches of snow up here on the mountain top tonight and tomorrow, so probably won't be going anywhere for a day or so!

cheers, Bob

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