2015 Messerschmitt Bf 109 Group Build

Bish, that's a good book, but the F is different. Just go with Hasegawa on this. They have it correct.

Jay

Thanks Jay. One bok i was useing was the kagero Monograph special. It has a set of 32nd plans in there which show the tips further out,so i trusted that. I could not find any pics which clearly showed the guns from above. It was only when i looked closely at the pics from ground level that i could see the right gun was not showing. So thanks for pointing that out before it was to late.

I have that book as well. Good book for the most part, but those drawings are not accurate. It can be hard to find photos that show the gun barrel positions since you have to be looking down a little. Oddly enough the first book I grabbed last night had a picture on the first page of a grounded F with a good view of the right gun trough. Clearly there was no barrel extended out of the cowl.

Jay

Thank you for all the compliments.

As for which picture to use.  Take your pick.  I like them all.  The 3rd or 4th shows the washes and weathering better.  Though the 1st makes it look like a crew member took the photo. Shy of the missing background.

Kim

Kim, I really like your exterior finish and weathering a lot.

Congrats on a very nicely built model.

Bish, just to satisfy my curiousity, is (was) the issue on the gun barrels that they were offset, period, or that they should be sticking out further, albiet offset? (curious minds want to know)

Looking at the illustration Jay posted, I'd swear the barrel is longer on the offset gun. But that makes no sense.

BTW, going by my kit, in Svezda's version of the F2, the machine guns are most definitely offset, and the barrel tips do not line up with each other. I have a long way to go before I'd know how far the barrels would stick out, or not.

Thanks for your input, Mike.

Oddly, I didn't think much about those offset guns while I was assembling the engine/mount/gun mount assy. Being an anal nerd, I'm sure one barrel sticking out and one not would drive me bonkers, even though correct! Good thing I plan on cowling open on mine!

Ok, this may seem like a silly question to you 109 experts, but here goes. The seem line where the two fuselage halves come together, is that supposed to be an actual panel line? If so, I have been screwing up my 109s by filling that in as a normal seem. Thanks!

Greg, its how far the barrels stick out. And yes, the barrel on one side, the left, sticks out further than than the barrel on the right.

Mike, i think it might depend on which G. The one i was looking at was a 6 with the bulges. earlier versions had the same guns as the F, so i am guessing would hav ebeen the same as the F.

ajd3530

Ok, this may seem like a silly question to you 109 experts, but here goes. The seem line where the two fuselage halves come together, is that supposed to be an actual panel line? If so, I have been screwing up my 109s by filling that in as a normal seem. Thanks!

 

I seem to recall reading some time ago that there was a V shaped trough runing down the spine of the 109. I never concerned myself with this in 72nd scale. But building larger i have been looking at photo's more closely and i can't see anything. So i am not sure if i imagined reading this or i just can't see it.

I mean the more I think about it, there has to be a panel line sonewhere, right? Surely each section of the fuselage isn't a seemless oval sheet of aluminum. Or maybe it is. I just don't know.

Looking at the pics of the G in the walkaround book, there is a very faint seam line that runs down the spine, but its certainly not recessed. I am guessing these were welded from the inside. It can only be seen in very close up pics.

Yes there is a panel line that runs down the top and bottom of the fuselage. I find the easiest way to get this is to take a few swipes with your knife along the outer edges of each half before gluing them together, creating a slight V. Easily cleaned up with a scriber if needed.

The machine guns were offset on all models that used the MG 17, which would be up through the G-4, with only the left side protruding. From the G-5 they went to the MG131 and these were even and protruded somewhat.

Jay

Bish

Greg, its how far the barrels stick out. And yes, the barrel on one side, the left, sticks out further than than the barrel on the right.

 

Gotcha!

Tucohoward

Yes there is a panel line that runs down the top and bottom of the fuselage. I find the easiest way to get this is to take a few swipes with your knife along the outer edges of each half before gluing them together, creating a slight V. Easily cleaned up with a scriber if needed.

The machine guns were offset on all models that used the MG 17, which would be up through the G-4, with only the left side protruding. From the G-5 they went to the MG131 and these were even and protruded somewhat.

Jay

 

All interesting info, thanks.

Yes, thank you for the great info.  I didn't know any of that.

Kim

Jay: Got you entered in on the intro with that Hase G-14/AS. Glad your back good buddy!!!!

Kim: Got your beauty of a 109D build posted in the intro. Man what a job! You are making me want to skip my next build and bust out my B/C.

jubya70

Good evening gentlemen.  Looks like a lot has changed. Its a lot to get used to. I live in Chattanooga TN. My city has changed due to a terrorist attack where a muslim extremist murdered four Marines and a Sailor. Of course this is my opinion. I am still slowly working on my build. I am at the point were i need to apply molting by hand since I don't have an airbrush. I would appreciate some tips for hand applying molting. Thanks for your time.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJq9zOneis

"The machine guns were offset on all models that used the MG 17, which would be up through the G-4, with only the left side protruding. From the G-5 they went to the MG131 and these were even and protruded somewhat."

Jay, thanks for the clarrification -- Phew! I was looking at my late birds and wondering if I or the companies had got something wrong!

M/TB379

Since nobody has posted anything for a couple days, I will just throw this out there. I knew the 109 was a fairly small plane, but didn't realize how small until I did a side by side with the Fokker D VII I have been working on. If the elevator was on it, it would almost be the same size.

Jay

Those ww2 fighters are rather small ain't they. I think it took the jet engine and AAM's, amongst other things, to cause them to grow.

Been a while since I did anything on this, got the basic decals on.

WOW, now thats one brigt looking 109.

I agree as well.  Your 109 will stand out for sure.  Looking goood.

Kim

Wow, that IS orange, Lee!

Looking very cool.

mustang1989- Sorry it took me so long to get to this. Here are the pics you requested on the q-tip method. I did this in middle school(?,early h.s. maybe). Its a Heller Me-163B in 1/72. Lost the little spinner and tail wheel. Fictitious JG 26. 

Hey Guys. I finally finished my build! It is the Cyber Hobby 1/32 BF109E-4. I used Kagero decals Achtung Anfanger!. A Battle of Britain bird. I used pollyscale acylics, Flory wash, some Vallejo for the exhaust stains. Various oils. Flyfishing line for the antenna. It is my first diorama, which surprisingly only took me a few hours to do. The figures are from Master Box limited. Thanks for having a look!

Lovely build there Tom, really like the scheme. Nice base and figures as well.