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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:07 PM
This is the AMT kit...I have several. The -135R has been rerelease by Italeri...grab them while you can. I hope they do the A model again too...I'll be grabbing a couple more of those.

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:18 PM

That is a nice project. I wish I could find one- the KC and C- series get underrepresented.

It looks like the Heller wing combo- center under, one piece uppers each side, under on the ends. I found the best method after knocking out a couple three Constellations was to put the under center in the fuse, then glue on the uppers against the fuse, then tailor the under ends to fit. Usually involved trimming off all the locator pins.

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:00 PM

Started my first of a couple (I hope) builds for this GB. AMT 1:72 EC-135C.

One of the challenges are the inside of the engines, removing the injector marks...they're visible both on the intake and exhaust ends of the engine. I use two tools in my Dremel, a small sanding drum and a round ended deburring bit to remove them with minimal effort.

Another issue to deal with is to make the mid wing seam (underside) disappear...even with it being "under" the # 2 & 3 engine pylons doesn't make hiding it any easier...but I'm up to the task.

 

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Posted by DesertRat on Friday, January 9, 2009 6:59 PM
 bondoman wrote:
 DesertRat wrote:

 WarHammer25 wrote:
Well, with two 1/72 B-36's, one 1/72 B-52, and one 1/48 B-58, the supply of Alclad and Metalizers should drop significantly. Big Smile [:D]

And Alclad is the official sponsor of the SAC GB II!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Whoops, Spike! Mr. Hawkeye there is the purveyor of a fine competing product, which his modesty keeps him from advertising, but I would say honestly this would seem like a fine time to ask Gerald about acrylic nmf. Alas, my subject this time around is black.

Hey, and do you guys have a project list up?

Really? I had no idea there was anything else in the way of options! I'll send an inquiry here in a bit...

I've incorperated the project list into the first post. That seems to be the way to do it hereBlush [:I]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by MattSix on Friday, January 9, 2009 2:14 PM

I plan on using the Talon Acrylics Aluminum and Dark Aluminum on my F-86d.

The Talon line of paints produce some awesome results! Big Smile [:D] 

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, January 9, 2009 1:42 PM
 DesertRat wrote:

 WarHammer25 wrote:
Well, with two 1/72 B-36's, one 1/72 B-52, and one 1/48 B-58, the supply of Alclad and Metalizers should drop significantly. Big Smile [:D]

And Alclad is the official sponsor of the SAC GB II!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Whoops, Spike! Mr. Hawkeye there is the purveyor of a fine competing product, which his modesty keeps him from advertising, but I would say honestly this would seem like a fine time to ask Gerald about acrylic nmf. Alas, my subject this time around is black.

Hey, and do you guys have a project list up?

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Posted by DesertRat on Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:37 PM
 MattSix wrote:

 WarHammer25 wrote:
Well, with two 1/72 B-36's, one 1/72 B-52, and one 1/48 B-58, the supply of Alclad and Metalizers should drop significantly. Big Smile [:D]

I think the US supply of Future will take a big hit too! Laugh [(-D]

Oh, Negative!!!!!!!!!!

I've got enough future stockpiled to clear coat a house! (Not that I ever would)Whistling [:-^]

Of course, I'm only speaking for myself...Wink [;)]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by MattSix on Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:08 PM

 WarHammer25 wrote:
Well, with two 1/72 B-36's, one 1/72 B-52, and one 1/48 B-58, the supply of Alclad and Metalizers should drop significantly. Big Smile [:D]

I think the US supply of Future will take a big hit too! Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by DesertRat on Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:41 PM
 dmk wrote:
 DesertRat wrote:

And Alclad is the official sponsor of the SAC GB II!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Cool!  Do we get a member discount?  Tongue [:P]

Sigh [sigh]If only...

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by dmk on Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:39 PM
 DesertRat wrote:

And Alclad is the official sponsor of the SAC GB II!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Cool!  Do we get a member discount?  Tongue [:P]
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Posted by DesertRat on Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:29 PM

 WarHammer25 wrote:
Well, with two 1/72 B-36's, one 1/72 B-52, and one 1/48 B-58, the supply of Alclad and Metalizers should drop significantly. Big Smile [:D]

And Alclad is the official sponsor of the SAC GB II!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:19 AM
 BUFFbuff wrote:
 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:

I'm in...I've got several kits on the shelf ready to start that are part of my SAC collection...for sure I'll be doing an EC-135 that my dad served aboard, callsign: "Grayson" which was based out of Westover AFB, MA.

I've got several  (some mulitiples of) -135, B-52, B-47, B-36, B-58 as well as many others on the list of aircraft that qualify.

 

8th AF ABNCP no doubt, huh? When was he there? Was he part of the CP crew or the flight crew? Just curious.

He was part of the CP crew...it would have been '69-71 In those years he worked from three locations...base command post...the "Notch" alternate command post or aboard the Grayson.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by WarHammer25 on Thursday, January 8, 2009 6:39 AM
Well, with two 1/72 B-36's, one 1/72 B-52, and one 1/48 B-58, the supply of Alclad and Metalizers should drop significantly. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 9:52 PM
 dmk wrote:
 DesertRat wrote:

Always a good excuse to Polish up on the NMF skills! I for one will be doing it for the first time! I may very well be tapping you guys on advice when it comes painting timeBlush [:I]

I just thought of something. With all these big SAC birds, this GB is probably going to consume most of the current supply of Alclad and Metalizers. Burger [BG]

 I'd better hit up my supplier before you guys buy it all!  Whistling [:-^]

Yeah, and I'm only going to account for maybe half of thatWhistling [:-^]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by dmk on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 9:25 PM
 DesertRat wrote:

Always a good excuse to Polish up on the NMF skills! I for one will be doing it for the first time! I may very well be tapping you guys on advice when it comes painting timeBlush [:I]

I just thought of something. With all these big SAC birds, this GB is probably going to consume most of the current supply of Alclad and Metalizers. Burger [BG]

 I'd better hit up my supplier before you guys buy it all!  Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:23 PM
 MattSix wrote:

Can I get in on this GB?

I have a 1/48 RoG F-86D in the stash! It will give me an excuse to "polish up" on my NMF skills!

Sorry for the bad pun. It won't happen again! Whistling [:-^]

F-86D! I love that plane! I'll add you to the list, and Sign - Welcome [#welcome]aboard! Always a good excuse to Polish up on the NMF skills! I for one will be doing it for the first time! I may very well be tapping you guys on advice when it comes painting timeBlush [:I]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:19 PM
 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:

I'm in...I've got several kits on the shelf ready to start that are part of my SAC collection...for sure I'll be doing an EC-135 that my dad served aboard, callsign: "Grayson" which was based out of Westover AFB, MA.

I've got several  (some mulitiples of) -135, B-52, B-47, B-36, B-58 as well as many others on the list of aircraft that qualify.

 

Welcome board, Gerald! I'm adding you to the list! That -135 of yours sounds like it's going to be an exceptionally interesting build. I think modelling takes on an uniquely special excitement when there is something more personal with the subject. Can't wait to see Grayson!Thumbs Up [tup]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:14 PM

 BUFFbuff wrote:
OK, can I do more than one?  If so, put me down for a KC-135A Tall Tail in aluminum and a KC-97L in NMF.

Absolutely!!!! Done!Cool [8D]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:46 PM
 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:

I'm in...I've got several kits on the shelf ready to start that are part of my SAC collection...for sure I'll be doing an EC-135 that my dad served aboard, callsign: "Grayson" which was based out of Westover AFB, MA.

I've got several  (some mulitiples of) -135, B-52, B-47, B-36, B-58 as well as many others on the list of aircraft that qualify.

 

8th AF ABNCP no doubt, huh? When was he there? Was he part of the CP crew or the flight crew? Just curious.

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Posted by MattSix on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:24 PM

Can I get in on this GB?

I have a 1/48 RoG F-86D in the stash! It will give me an excuse to "polish up" on my NMF skills!

Sorry for the bad pun. It won't happen again! Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:46 PM

I'm in...I've got several kits on the shelf ready to start that are part of my SAC collection...for sure I'll be doing an EC-135 that my dad served aboard, callsign: "Grayson" which was based out of Westover AFB, MA.

I've got several  (some mulitiples of) -135, B-52, B-47, B-36, B-58 as well as many others on the list of aircraft that qualify.

 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:58 AM
OK, can I do more than one?  If so, put me down for a KC-135A Tall Tail in aluminum and a KC-97L in NMF.
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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:53 AM

The SAC crews (Crew Dogs) were drawn from every SAC base, I think, all bases.  They were rotated for a tour of duty, normally 100 missions, if memory serves.  Select, Everready, and Regular crews participated. 

A lot of AC's (Aircraft Commanders) liked to get their crews to U-Tapao from Andersen in Guam, naturally, because it was a much shorter flight to the target areas.  And let's face it, there was just more to do in Thialand than on the rock.  Coming out of Andersen, it was a long flight and one had to pick up a "Young Tiger" KC-135 from Kadena in a number of air refueling areas near the Philippines.

I never heard of any AC-130s or AC-119s as part of SAC.  I think they came under the 7th AF (PACAF) and not the 8th out of Andersen.  I know the AC-47s did because on pages 52-55 of the 7th AF In Country Tacical Air Operations Handbook, 20 Mar 68; it discusses employment and tactics.

The B-52Ds in SEA would normally strike from three to seven target areas in a 24-hr period and rack upto 1200 sorties (total force) per month.  The sorties normally had two, three-ship, cells and while the BUFFs operated outside of the tactical air environment under COMUSMACV, the strikes were coordinated (so we were told) with tactical air. The tactics, techinques, and operating practices of B-52 forces were determined entirely by SAC.

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Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:46 AM

 BUFFbuff wrote:
I want to join in this.  Can you email me the requirements?  Does it matter that I have 20 D's, 10 G's, and 10 KC-135As already?  (yes, they're all 1/72) I'm looking to add to my collection. I can do another NMF G or KC-135A tall tail in aluminum finish (not NMF but with the so called 'anti-corrosion' aluminum scheme).  Or, I haven't done the KC-97L yet, that would be a good subject.

Hiya Buff! Sign - Welcome [#welcome]to the Forums, and Sign - Welcome [#welcome]to the SAC GB II! Glad to have ya aboard! I'll add your name to the duty roster. You'll find the rules and stuff on the first post of the thread here. Just post here what you decide what to enter, and I'll make sure to post it as well. We still have a month and a half (or so) until start time, so you've got time.

Warmest regards,

Roger

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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:09 AM
Well, maybe not an element of surprise, but could you imagine the building fear in the enemy during a mass bombing raid - the noise alone might make it sound like we were tripling the largest B-17 raids of WWII!  ". . . what tha . . . is that confounded humming noise . . .?" the guy on the ground might inquire.
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Posted by BUFFbuff on Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:04 AM
I want to join in this.  Can you email me the requirements?  Does it matter that I have 20 D's, 10 G's, and 10 KC-135As already?  (yes, they're all 1/72) I'm looking to add to my collection. I can do another NMF G or KC-135A tall tail in aluminum finish (not NMF but with the so called 'anti-corrosion' aluminum scheme).  Or, I haven't done the KC-97L yet, that would be a good subject.
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Posted by dmk on Saturday, January 3, 2009 12:32 PM
 bondoman wrote:

 The red would appear to be where the background, ie the tail is black.

That must be what I was thinking.
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Posted by WarHammer25 on Saturday, January 3, 2009 12:11 PM
All of my references (and they are limited for the B-52) show black as well.
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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, January 3, 2009 11:49 AM

I'm NO expert, but looking through a quick series of photos online they all look black to me. The red would appear to be where the background, ie the tail is black. Wonder about the underside of the wings, though.

Here's a handy little guide I came across.

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/b-52/b-52_profile03.shtml

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Posted by dmk on Saturday, January 3, 2009 8:12 AM
Aren't they red on the SEA camo scheme?
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