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70th Anniversary Battle of Britain GB - 2010

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Posted by B17Pilot on Monday, August 16, 2010 6:46 PM

Spike190

Damon well done on a wonderful job, painting and weathering look spot on Yes

Cheers....

Ditto Nice job Damon

Got some progress done on my 109.  Its been a while but things got in the way.  The 109 is all painted and is waiting a coat of future after some detail parts are added.

The slats area as been repainted to the standard undercoat the Luftwaffe used (RLM02). Now I got to get the landing gear on.  More to come, sooner I hope than last time.

  

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Posted by sidure on Monday, August 16, 2010 8:26 PM

Looking really good B-17. Paint work looks great and cant wait to see the fiddly bits put on it.

I also have not had a lot of bench time lately but I have made progress on the Do-24. All the glass masked and fuselage buttoned up. The fuselage seams are giving me some problems but im almost done with them and then hopefully on to some paint.

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Posted by sidure on Monday, August 16, 2010 8:33 PM

Damon, really diggin that build and its really taking shape. All around a great build and I love the subject

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Posted by nomad68 on Monday, August 16, 2010 9:07 PM

Julez72

Well that looks frikkin awesome Damon. I can see the effects of the dot filters, did you use oils???

I did use oils I used a flesh color white blue and greens. I brushed them front to back until I liked the look.

Damon

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Posted by simpilot34 on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:58 AM

Great work guys all round!!! Damon your dot filters look great!!! I haven't been game enough to try that technique.Blind Fold

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:02 PM

I finished watching A Piece of Cake this midday. Nice to see those beautiful birds in flght but I must admit that I prefered the novel, barely remembered after all these years to the series. Perhaps a remake  since there are now a few airworthy Hurricanes, not to mention what can be done with CGI to really add to the visual feast....Whistling

Well I am still plugging along on my Spit. This week I completed the instrument panel and put on some Testors clear glue over the instruments. I am almost at the point where I can assemble the fuselage when all the interior painting is done.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:02 PM

Oh yes, my intentions are to make my Spit as one flown by "Red" Tobin of 609 Squadron, preferable the one he flew on Sept 15th that is depicted in a painting downing a DO-17. If anyone knows the serial number and code for that particular aircraft, I would be grateful. I have been able to track down one Spit he flew by serial number, but do not know if that is the one he flew for that combat, and what the Squadron code letter was for that aircraft. My reasons for choosing him is that he is a local (Los Angeles native) who joined the RAF, flew in the BoB with 609 Squadron, one of the better scoring squadrons of the battle, and was a founding Eagle Squadron member. He would be shot down and killed  over France before America entered the war.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by soulcrusher on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:01 PM

Stickpusher there is a great book that has alot of info on Tobin and a couple of other American pilots that he flew with in the RAF before the US joined the war. The book is called The Few. In one picture there is a Hurricane that has a squadron code of  XR. There is also another picture with Tobin standing infront of a Hurricane with a bunch of other pilots that says they were assigned to the 71st squadron.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:22 AM

Stik that is a very nice looking IP!!!!Toast

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Julez72 on Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:07 AM

nomad68

 

 Julez72:

 

Well that looks frikkin awesome Damon. I can see the effects of the dot filters, did you use oils???

 

 

I did use oils I used a flesh color white blue and greens. I brushed them front to back until I liked the look.

Damon

Yeah i thought so, it looks very similar to the effects i get with oil....I'ts a very subtle and lovely effect...

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:37 PM

Thanks Soulcrusher. I spent quite a bit of time last night doing web searches on Tobin and 609 Squadron. That book came up frequently. I would love to find it and read it. I was able to confirm that he flew Spitfire K9997 for the September 15th combat where he got the Do-17. It was damaged upon landing when a fuel truck drove across his path as he was landing and clipped his landing gear and was out of service for the rest of the day. Now to find that aircraft's code letter...Hmm

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by soulcrusher on Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:50 PM

stikpusher

Thanks Soulcrusher. I spent quite a bit of time last night doing web searches on Tobin and 609 Squadron. That book came up frequently. I would love to find it and read it. I was able to confirm that he flew Spitfire K9997 for the September 15th combat where he got the Do-17. It was damaged upon landing when a fuel truck drove across his path as he was landing and clipped his landing gear and was out of service for the rest of the day. Now to find that aircraft's code letter...Hmm

It is a great read and I loved every minute of the book. It does have alot of very detailed info in it. It might have the info on what plane he flew that day but I am very confident that the plane would have carried the squadron code XR. Here is a picture on the plane. Tobin is the pilot to the far left in the picture. also of intrest in the picture is the amout paint worn of the wing roots. I have not seen many photos of RAF aircraft with this amount of paint worn of the wings.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 20, 2010 1:17 PM

Wow, great looking stuff all around guys!

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Posted by eatthis on Friday, August 20, 2010 5:38 PM

70 years to the day since churchills famous so much owed by so many to so few speach! makes me proud to be english for a change

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Friday, August 20, 2010 7:19 PM

Yeah Eat it must have been a scary time to be an Englishman back then...The germans must have seemed unstoppable in 1940.....I recall an interveiw with an RAF pilot i think it was Geoff Page and he spoke of his first combat..."suddenly we saw them, a mass of ants with wings...Our leader took us just above the 110's and we dived, i closed my eyes and fired"...Imagine being in that situation, 12 Spits taking on 100+....

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:02 AM

soulcrusher

It is a great read and I loved every minute of the book. It does have alot of very detailed info in it. It might have the info on what plane he flew that day but I am very confident that the plane would have carried the squadron code XR. Here is a picture on the plane. Tobin is the pilot to the far left in the picture. also of intrest in the picture is the amout paint worn of the wing roots. I have not seen many photos of RAF aircraft with this amount of paint worn of the wings.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q133/Stinkey1/img022.jpg

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Yes, when Tobin and the other Yanks were assigned to 71 Squadron, they had Hurricanes that were coded XR. But his first assignment was 609 Squadron with Spitfires that were coded PR. The three Americans in 609 were among the first to be sent to 71 in late September. (I learned all this from hours of web searching a few nights back.) That is a great pic BTW!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by soulcrusher on Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:56 PM

stikpusher

 soulcrusher:

It is a great read and I loved every minute of the book. It does have alot of very detailed info in it. It might have the info on what plane he flew that day but I am very confident that the plane would have carried the squadron code XR. Here is a picture on the plane. Tobin is the pilot to the far left in the picture. also of intrest in the picture is the amout paint worn of the wing roots. I have not seen many photos of RAF aircraft with this amount of paint worn of the wings.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q133/Stinkey1/img022.jpg

SoulcrusherPirate

 

 

Yes, when Tobin and the other Yanks were assigned to 71 Squadron, they had Hurricanes that were coded XR. But his first assignment was 609 Squadron with Spitfires that were coded PR. The three Americans in 609 were among the first to be sent to 71 in late September. (I learned all this from hours of web searching a few nights back.) That is a great pic BTW!

I thought you might like the pic! I read the book about a year ago so I have forgotten alot of the details of the story but it is one of the best book on any subject that I have read in a while. There is one picture of a Spitfire in the book. I'll see if I can post it up.

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Posted by Julez72 on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:05 AM

Darren, PM sent...

 

 

 

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Posted by nomad68 on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:53 PM

darson I am done with my two builds the airfix anson and the Fairey Fulmar. Thank You for hosting this great GB and I will join the next one Big Smile

B17pilot nice job on the 109

Sidure Love the D024 cant wait to see it put together Yes

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, August 23, 2010 10:09 PM

Damon, that looks absolutely stunning mate!!!! WELL DONE!!!ToastBow Down Something that would look nice on a fture build would be some very shallow depressions sanded into the leading edges where the gunports are covered by the red doped fabric.

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Julez72 on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:51 AM

Damon. Outstanding build buddy very well doneYesYesYes It was very cool watching it come together, cheersToast

 

 

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:20 AM

Hey Sim, your a man who's in the know, so if i can pick your brain...I'm trying to find any info i can about Arado AR196 operations during the Battle of Britain....I came across a reference that said a pair of them were shot down by Raf fighters but i can't seem to find anything concrete....Any ideas??

 

 

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:55 PM

Julez I had a quick stickybeek and found this bit of info. No unit info...yet. I didn't know they were used in the BoB till you asked, but would make sense as they were also used as Search and Rescue duties. Will try and sus out more later.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=JZ9cSQNeK9cC&pg=PA374&lpg=PA374&dq=Arado+Ar-196+in+battle+of+britain&source=bl&ots=hwEgpRag1g&sig=hXg7BeHP7vpR3WtvqDd02mUZAl8&hl=en&ei=koN0TOiXIpC9ccnPyf4F&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CDoQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Arado%20Ar-196%20in%20battle%20of%20britain&f=false

HTH a bit!Yes

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Julez72 on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:04 AM

Thanks Sim, it does seem to make sense that they were used hey...I'll keep digging as well...

 

 

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:02 AM

Hey Sim i think i might have a winner...Information is a pretty sparse but i've cobbled this together from 4 different sites.....

5th BFGr 196 were moved from Trondheim to Cherbourg during Sept 1940 and remained there until April 1941...they were tasked with ASW, ASR and Recon duties....

The two that were shot down were shot down in Feb 1941, one off the coast of Cornwall (6W-ON) by a Whirlwind and the other (6W-EN) in the Channel by a Hurricane...Another (Wkr.no 012) was lost off the channel island Alderney in Dec 1940

The GB guideline says end date for the BoB is 31st OCT 1940 but it's obvious the AR 196 operated in the channel for at least a month before the end date....

What do you think, is it too thin or an acceptable entrant for this GB? Do you reckon Darren would go for it???

 

 

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:29 PM

I wouldn't see why not. You have confirmed that at least a month before the end of the BoB that they were used in theatre. I'm sure if you sweet talk Darren he won't mind, or twist his arm hehe.

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:26 PM

Beautiful Fulmar Nomad!Yes

I made more progress on my Spit today. I built up a compass for the Instrument Panel and atttached it. I can paint it tomorrow and add a decal for the face.

I also completed painting the control column, engine exhausts, and added a wash in the cockpit sidewalls. The seat I painted a week or two ago in some stippled brown shades to give an approximation of Bakelite plastic

Once the wash had dried and I did some touch up highlights, I glued the forward fuselage together with the engine in place. The rear is still loose so that I can install the tail wheel after some touching up to the construction. I put the engine access panels on for the pics but they still need to be modified to fit snugly.

While the front fuselage was glued together, I installed the wing intercooler and scratchbuilt an oil cooler out of some sprue and brass screen. Once the wing is all together one will have to look hard to see it, but like the radio and radio shelf I added deep in the fuselage I know it's there.Geeked

Next I need to work on detailing up the landing gear wells. She is starting to take shape now.Wink

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Julez72 on Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:12 AM

simpilot34

I wouldn't see why not. You have confirmed that at least a month before the end of the BoB that they were used in theatre. I'm sure if you sweet talk Darren he won't mind, or twist his arm hehe.

Yeah i think i'll go ahead and build it, havn't heard from Darren in a bit....I'm sure he won't mind....

Stik, nice looking work on he Spit mate, very coolYes

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:13 PM

More progress made today. I was able to create most of the gear wells with sheet styrene. It now looks much better. I just need to create one inner structure on each well. I also was able to get the fuselage seam sanded smooth (I glued the rear portion last night later in the evening) and replaced the lost detail from sanding. I am not sure if I will try to use some streteched sprue to replicate the raised rivets where needed or just stick with the divits I drilled.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by B17Pilot on Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:50 PM

Hey Ya'll, had a minor set back.  While attaching the rear struts to the tail plane, I broke one and half and one piece was eaten by the carpet monster.  Well, I took a 40% off coupon to Hobby Lobby and found another 109E and made a copy of the strut.  Got the replacement in place and it needs a coat of paint.  Next will come a coat of Future and then decals.

  

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