Hey Vetteman thanks for putting on the GB!

I started on a 1/48 Hasegawa Lockheed P-38J a couple of months ago for a local club GB. She's been sitting around for over a month now in shiny black paint since I've been too big a coward to take the next step and spray her down with Alclad II.

Question: is she elegable since I'm over 50% finished? I can post photos if that would help. I really don't need to get into another GB right now but I've already started her for my local IPMS chapter so if you're game I might as well toss her in if it's ok by you? 

PS Richard I was thinking more along the lines of that chrome paint you once used a while back.

This is a bit scary Randy.... Are you paranormally gifted or smt?? It just so happens that i am planning on using that paint for my B17 (Alclad is sold out at the LHS at the moment) altough i'm not sure yet. To experiment with a thing or two before i spray it on the fortress i have been working on the same Revell (of germany) 1/72th P47D-30 "Balls Out"  that made you ask me to join the first GB. Really great yet cheap guinea pig

It didn't quite turn out the way i wanted with the C47 (gloss black undercoat wasn't hard enough and the spraycan with chrome paint was a tad too generous) so i will try to fill up a paintbottle with the spraycanpaint and use it with my airbrush. At least..... that's the plan LOL...

Richard

Count me in gents.  I'll probably get a few done during this group build.  The 1st is a P-51D that is almost complete.  I'm adding the final details this weekend.

Cheers

Vette, please add me with my roll over Revell 1/48 F-84E from the last NMF GB. I KNOW I can finish it soon...

Aggieman, Fermis, B17Pilot, Daywalker, Lancair, and Thunderbolt379  I am happy to see you all back for round 2, your builds are on the front page or listed as TBA. Can't wait to see what you come up with for round 2.

Kermit naw I can tell you with absolute certainty that I have no gift like that LOL If I did would have won the lottery a long time ago I could say ummmm great minds think alike ??

Gamera from what you have said it seems your P-38 is way past 50% waiting for the alclad to be sprayed. Although I would love to see pictures of your build and hope you might share them here, it just too far along for me to accept into the group.

Stikpusher You KNOW huh LOL you are in and welcome back

Hey Guys, What do you think of my first attempt at foiling?????????? Now i know it's not perfect but i really think i'm gettin the hang of it....

That's a contest winner for sure!

Richard

Not just a contest winner, but best of show, hands down

Julez72

Hey Guys, What do you think of my first attempt at foiling?????????? Now i know it's not perfect but i really think i'm gettin the hang of it....

LOL... just don't confuse it with your your leftovers or it will end up in the refridgerator!!!

fermis - no such thing as too many P-51s ;)

lancair - nice bird; is that the Revell offering?  One suggestion, if I may (in the spirit of the GB). The leading edge has a very visible seam. I know that fuselage seams is my own personal bane, and I am trying different ways to eliminate them, so I am no expert... but silver/metalic paints seem (no pun intended!) to highlight those seams. I am using Tenax to glue "stuff" together and attempt to melt the seam. Here are some links to other seam-removal tips I have tried:   cheers

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT068_gluing_Wilder/tnt068.htm

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/TnT_Archives/Filling.htm

(this one I used and works pretty good!)

http://www.swannysmodels.com/Seams.html

and a great article my Gerald (Hawkeye) from this forum:

/forums/p/90330/882350.aspx#882350

JMart

fermis - no such thing as too many P-51s ;)

lancair - nice bird; is that the Revell offering?  One suggestion, if I may (in the spirit of the GB). The leading edge has a very visible seam. I know that fuselage seams is my own personal bane, and I am trying different ways to eliminate them, so I am no expert... but silver/metalic paints seem (no pun intended!) to highlight those seams. I am using Tenax to glue "stuff" together and attempt to melt the seam. Here are some links to other seam-removal tips I have tried:   cheers

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT068_gluing_Wilder/tnt068.htm

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/TnT_Archives/Filling.htm

(this one I used and works pretty good!)

http://www.swannysmodels.com/Seams.html

and a great article my Gerald (Hawkeye) from this forum:

/forums/p/90330/882350.aspx#882350

 

This is a Tamiya Kit.  The seams are non-existant.  It's a great kit.

Cheers

Seams as well as masking glasswork are amongst the trickiest tasks in the hobby and it is true that seams will show through a NMF even more than anything. I still learn from every new model i build regarding these issues.

Wanted to share my experiences with the chrome paint experiment... I decanted laquer based chrome paint from a spraycan i have standing here and sprayed it through my airbrush instead of the rattlecan. It worked like a charm and think i might just use this on the B17. Also found out that i need to work on my black undercoating technique as the flaws you see in the pic were caused by the undercoat...

Richard that turned out very very well indeed!!!

Julez72

Hey Guys, What do you think of my first attempt at foiling?????????? Now i know it's not perfect but i really think i'm gettin the hang of it....

It kind of looks like you were "foiled" in your attempt....

Lancair IV

 

JMart:

 

fermis - no such thing as too many P-51s ;)

lancair - nice bird; is that the Revell offering?  One suggestion, if I may (in the spirit of the GB). The leading edge has a very visible seam. I know that fuselage seams is my own personal bane, and I am trying different ways to eliminate them, so I am no expert... but silver/metalic paints seem (no pun intended!) to highlight those seams. I am using Tenax to glue "stuff" together and attempt to melt the seam. Here are some links to other seam-removal tips I have tried:   cheers

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT068_gluing_Wilder/tnt068.htm

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/TnT_Archives/Filling.htm

(this one I used and works pretty good!)

http://www.swannysmodels.com/Seams.html

and a great article my Gerald (Hawkeye) from this forum:

/forums/p/90330/882350.aspx#882350

 

 

 

This is a Tamiya Kit.  The seams are non-existant.  It's a great kit.

Cheers

I must be going blind or something cause i honestly can't see any seams on the leading edge....

Thanks for the psitive remarks on my first foil attempt But i have a feeling that you guys are just saying that to be nice......

So i thought i'd try a different alclad on Grim reaper this time, has anyone ever used airframe aluminum???

Thanks for the welcome Randy!

I looked through my stash, and found a Tamiya 1/48 MiG-15 I have always wanted to build.  Can you put me down for that one please?

Did i hear anyone say Mig15??

Welcome to the shiny side Daywalker The tamiya mig was a real fun and no fuss build for me. You will loooove that engine it has.

Richard

Thanks Richard!  I have wanted to build one of these for a long time, and to be honest- this will be my first NMF paintjob.  I am very happy to hear you enjoyed yours, now I am really stoked to get started on it!

OOOOOOOOOOO Frank, Looking forward to seeing you do something shiny!!!!!

simpilot34

OOOOOOOOOOO Frank, Looking forward to seeing you do something shiny!!!!!

LOL, I am really going to have to resist spraying a mottle finish on this one!!!

Julez72 WOW I need to check in more than once a day it seems. I am totally amazed at your awesome talents, your first foiling attempt looks much better than my first try. In fact it made me hungry for one of those foil wrapped burritos from the little mom and pop shop down the street 

Daywalker the front page has been updated with your MiG-15. I cant wait to see your mottled NMF,  sounds really interesting. I remember Richard having a blast building his MiG so I think you will really like the kit. Builds up really nice too.

kermit

Seams as well as masking glasswork are amongst the trickiest tasks in the hobby and it is true that seams will show through a NMF even more than anything. I still learn from every new model i build regarding these issues.

Wanted to share my experiences with the chrome paint experiment... I decanted laquer based chrome paint from a spraycan i have standing here and sprayed it through my airbrush instead of the rattlecan. It worked like a charm and think i might just use this on the B17. Also found out that i need to work on my black undercoating technique as the flaws you see in the pic were caused by the undercoat...

 

Kermit I have the same troubles with seams and canopys. In looking at your Jug I really cant spot any of the problems you are speaking of as the paint looks like it really went on nicely with your AB. What paint do you use as an undercoat ? I will be needing these tricks for my "Sexy Shiny Sherman Show Tank". <huge evil grin> Once I can get a little modeling breathing room I think I will build one for giggles and use chrome paint. Ya'all think that might brighten up the darkside ?

The Future is so bright I gotta wear shades!!!!

What paint do you use as an undercoat ?

Thats the whole problem... Eager as i was to play with the airbrushed chrome paint i sprayed a revell acrylic gloss black undercoat that was a tad too thick, causing little dried up bits while spraying. Second mistake was to brush on the future instead of spraying. I usually do it that way with good results but it's really true: the more shiny you get, the more evident your tiniest flaw will show later.

A word of caution though about working with laquer based paints: they are really thin so it is very easy to spray too much and get paint runs. Found that out in the past and learned from it since then. Actually the decanted paint is ready for airbrushing straight out of the can once the gas is out of the paint.

Soo.... i think i've got the technique down but i need to be more patient with the B17 later on

Richard

Kermit acrylic under lacquer ? That doesnt seem a good idea to me and may be some of the problem, I would think the lacquer would attack the acrylics. I also use lacquer thinner to clean my AB every now and then to get all the acrylic goop out of it works really well too.  Many moons ago I used to paint motorcycle gas tanks with lacquer and only used enamel under the lacquers with no problems other than having to be careful of temptures. If it was too cold out and the lacquer couldn't cure fast enough it would attack the enamel base coat ( primer) and orange peel. Do you think this could be the trouble ? I am no expert ya know.

Yes, ive seen it sort of melt on a model awhile back. This particular spraycan paint is dry to the touch in 15 minutes or so and i spray it on with my AB so my guess it had too little time to get agressive... Not sure either but hey,... it worked LOL

Richard

Yes, I think that Jug is looking very good indeed!  Some very nice work from looking at the photo, and tiny too!

As for lacquers over acrylics, you can get away with it if you are very careful.  When I spray Alclad lacquers, I usually put them over a basecoat of Tamiya X-1 gloss black acrylics without trouble.  As long as the Alclad coats are sprayed on very thin, no worries.

However, their "chrome" is a much hotter paint, and will attack just about anything underneath it except lacquers.

Hi Randy and all,

I have a modicum of progress to report on my F-84, I got back to it after many months and this evening did the experiment I was meaning to, "cutting back" the enamels to even out the finish. You need to go very gently and know when enough is enough, suiting your technique to the contours. I used 2000-grit paper, well lubricated, and polished the plane all over, piece by piece. It seemed to work quite well, well enough that I can see my trying it again in future.

Next I'll be masking off panels to remain in this shade, and mixing a brighter metallic for the rest. That coat should be cut back too, then the surface carefully washed, ready for the antiglare panel to be masked and sprayed as the last main colour area.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Ok, I bummed with my 2nd attempt to apply Alclad II 101 Aluminum over the 305 Gloss Black Base. The aluminum paint just won't stick and easily lifts off underneath areas masked with Scotch Painters Tape for Delicate Surfaces. The black base is adhering to the plane. It's the aluminum that won't stick to the base. Both the black base and the aluminum were adequately stirred and shaken. What am I doing wrong?

This is the 2nd P-51D Mustang kit that I've ruined. On my first kit, I thought I hadn't properly removed all the Novus Plastic Polish but now realize that was not the problem since the black base was adhering to the polished areas. I don't understand why the 101 isn't adhering to the 305. The Alclad website indicates the black base is an appropriate primer.

I don't believe the plane(s) can be saved without striping all the paint. Techniques I seen for striping paint would involve soaking the whole plane in a solvent. Obviously, this would also strip the cockpit and other detailed areas.

This is sad. The finish on both planes was looking so good and the planes were so close to completion.