The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

26carlos

Hello:

I painted the metalized parts of stabilizaers and aft part of the engines cover (that´s the name ?) The masking was really dificult, I broke the little antena (on the rudder) in the process I´ll repair it and paint the zone again.

I used Model Master Buffing Metalizaers (Burnt Metal and Stainless Steel).

More tomorrow...........

 

 

 Regards.

Carlos

 

Nice job on the "J".  If you don't mind a suggestion, the horizontal stab leading edge slots should be natural metal all the way out to the tip, up to the stab skid.  Also I noticed on another post you made, you are using the Air Force style wheels.  The Navy jets had a different style and they are available as after market resin.    

Sparrowhyperion

Have you tried Sprue Brothers?  I got a lot of good goodies including cockpit PE from them for very little money.   I checked and they have an F4E cockpit detail set for $20.49.  It is SKU EDU49231 so just search for that SKU in their advanced search.  I have used their PE a lot and it's very good.  Their website is at www.spruebrothers.com  I wouldn't wait too long if you like them, stuff on their site sells out fast.

I hope this helps.

Rich

 

jimbot58:

 

Hey gang! I'm happy to say that I have actually laid hands, so to speak, on the F-4F the last two nights! It was somewhat minor stuff, like touching up a few seams and then starting some masking on the inside of the canopies where they will appear black.

A quick photo:

Also off topic, I am also continuing on that F-105G and now that I completed the building of the tub, I thought I would post a photo of it along side the melted one. I was rather pleased how it turned out as it is the first time I ever scratched something this complicated.

It's a bit glossy right now as I wanted a smooth surface for those self-adhesive PE parts to stick to. I guess it's sort of related to the F-4G though, because I got interested in the Thud as it relates to the Weasels used in SEA.

As to PE parts, I was considering future projects and thought about sprucing up the cockpit of the 'E' when I start it someday, but i can only seem to find what I want available only at Eduard's web site. The sets I would like to have are marked as discontinued and deeply discounted! Have any of you had experience ordering directly from Eduard? I understand it may take a month or two to arrive? And shipping-is it expensive? They also have a set for the RF-4C discounted in case I decide to go for that kit I mentioned earlier.

Oh, and last but not least, 26carlos, those metallic areas look great! I never seem to get the same effect when I use the Testors products. I will say that I usually paint the metal areas last as they can be difficult to mask when you go to paint the other areas. I'll have to remember the combinations you used for my "F".

Cheers!

 

 

Thanks, but I am an insane builder of of 1/72nd scale kits, of which SB only lists color zoom kits for an F-4J and an F-4B/N, both of which are sold out. I may try the Eduard thing....

Hi Berny:

Thanks for your advice, You´re wright, those wheels are from the Monogram kit which is an Air Force F4.

I have the original wheels of the ESCI kit that are Navy style. The thing is that I don´t know if they´re wide enough. Here I´m posting a couple of pics, I´ll appreciate your opinion.

About the horizontal stab leading edge slots I know that they are all natural metal all the wat to the tip, but I´ll paint that in another satge, masking that was really difficult.

 Regards

Carlos

Hi jimbot58:

Thank you

Model Master metalizers work very well, my experience is that I can apply masking tape (Tamiya, with care) without ruin the metalized paint, but in this case with the metal areas the gral painting is practically finished. With a soft cloth you can buff to a nice result. Give them a try

You´re F 4F is looking very nice, what brand is it ? Revell Germany? How´s the fit ?

Happy modelling and regards.

Carlos

Hi Everyone,

Well I got the front panel for the rear cockpit done.  Here is a picture:

Attaching the seat belts to the ejection seats is next.

Ken

jimbot58

Hey gang! I'm happy to say that I have actually laid hands, so to speak, on the F-4F the last two nights! It was somewhat minor stuff, like touching up a few seams and then starting some masking on the inside of the canopies where they will appear black.

A quick photo:

Also off topic, I am also continuing on that F-105G and now that I completed the building of the tub, I thought I would post a photo of it along side the melted one. I was rather pleased how it turned out as it is the first time I ever scratched something this complicated.

It's a bit glossy right now as I wanted a smooth surface for those self-adhesive PE parts to stick to. I guess it's sort of related to the F-4G though, because I got interested in the Thud as it relates to the Weasels used in SEA.

As to PE parts, I was considering future projects and thought about sprucing up the cockpit of the 'E' when I start it someday, but i can only seem to find what I want available only at Eduard's web site. The sets I would like to have are marked as discontinued and deeply discounted! Have any of you had experience ordering directly from Eduard? I understand it may take a month or two to arrive? And shipping-is it expensive? They also have a set for the RF-4C discounted in case I decide to go for that kit I mentioned earlier.

Oh, and last but not least, 26carlos, those metallic areas look great! I never seem to get the same effect when I use the Testors products. I will say that I usually paint the metal areas last as they can be difficult to mask when you go to paint the other areas. I'll have to remember the combinations you used for my "F".

Cheers!

Hi Jim,

Very nice job on the cockpit!  Looks very nice! 

Ken

It is actually a Hasegawa kit-I'm sort of addicted to them, I guess. However, at recent prices, I only buy them when on sale. I have had issue with masking lifting off the metalizers at times, but I find sometimes that letting the kit set for a while, (days) makes the metallizer less likely to lift!

How do I join up - my first group build?

Recently picked up a stack of old kits from a deceased estate including a Hasegawa 1/72 F-4 J Phantom II (kit #D002:500)

Have just finished first coat of primer

NB -- consider yourself signed up! Go for it, will update P1.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Ken, nice to be able to read instruments at 1/48th scale! Good work!

Cheers

Casper the Chihuahua

Ken, nice to be able to read instruments at 1/48th scale! Good work!

Cheers

Thank you Casper, I really appreciate the compliment!

Ken

Berny, has your package arrived yet?  The PO told me it would probably be there today.

Rich

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Casper the Chihuahua:

 

Ken, nice to be able to read instruments at 1/48th scale! Good work!

Cheers

 

 

Thank you Casper, I really appreciate the compliment!

Ken

P-80....What a beautiful thing........Thank you for reminding me what a beautiful airplane that was/is.!!!!!!

Hi all. Haven't posted for a while. The cockpit is coming along nicely (finally) and halfway through painting it. I will post pics soon.

I need some info. My Revellogram C/D has two open panels on either side of where the centreline pylon will be placed. I believe they are only supposed to be open when the landing gear is down. But I am doing my f-4D in-flight. Can anyone confirm for me that I need to somehow close them? Thanks.

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Casper the Chihuahua:

 

Ken, nice to be able to read instruments at 1/48th scale! Good work!

Cheers

 

 

Thank you Casper, I really appreciate the compliment!

Ken

 

Yeah Like, I said before, i think I saw those dials moving.......better not run into the deck!!!!

P-80....What a beautiful thing........Thank you for reminding me what a beautiful airplane that was/is.!!!!!!

Hi Dom,

Thank you for the compliment!  And I am glad to peak your interest in the P-80.

Ken

somenewguy

Hi all. Haven't posted for a while. The cockpit is coming along nicely (finally) and halfway through painting it. I will post pics soon.

I need some info. My Revellogram C/D has two open panels on either side of where the centreline pylon will be placed. I believe they are only supposed to be open when the landing gear is down. But I am doing my f-4D in-flight. Can anyone confirm for me that I need to somehow close them? Thanks.

Hi SomeNewGuy,

I think you may be talking about the Auxiliary Air Intakes.  I believe that they could be open in flight.  But someone with more knowledge about it would have to confirm this.

Ken

Rich, the package arrived yesterday.  It sure was a suprise.  All I have to do now is find some drop tanks to put on it and then mask the canopy and shoot on some dull coat. 

To answer your question on the Aux Air Doors, they would be closed in flight.

Dom, I also got the T shirt.  It came out very nice.  Thanks to all that helped with the design.

Hi Berny!

It is very nice to hear from you again.  How are you feeling?

Ken

Yeh.  I fell in love with the P80 when I saw a close up shot of one in the movie "The Magnetic Monster".  It just looked so sleek and cool.  So what if it was subsonic... lol

Rich

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Casper the Chihuahua:

 

Ken, nice to be able to read instruments at 1/48th scale! Good work!

Cheers

 

 

Thank you Casper, I really appreciate the compliment!

Ken

 

Yeah Like, I said before, i think I saw those dials moving.......better not run into the deck!!!!

 

P-80....What a beautiful thing........Thank you for reminding me what a beautiful airplane that was/is.!!!!!!

 

 

Hi Dom,

Thank you for the compliment!  And I am glad to peak your interest in the P-80.

Ken

That's great!  Honestly, I have never had a kit fight me as hard as that one and I was terrified it would get lost in the mail.  I have some drop tanks if you need them.  I didn't realize that I had forgotten about them until after the bird was on it's way.  Did you check the front landing gear door?  lol.  That inkjet decal film is soooo flimsy.  I printed out a sheet with about 20 of that little block of text on it and put three goats of glosscote on it, and it still took me 9 tried before I could get one on with it tearing on the little raised rivet detail on the door.  I also hope I got that blue line under the canopy correct.  You might want to chop back the tail probe.  I wasn't sure what length it was supposed to be.  It's metal so make sure to wear goggles when you cut it.  We had hoped to have it ready by the Air Force Museum visit, but I just didn't have time.  Then afterwards I had to paint in little bits because our power kept going out...lol

Rich

berny13

Rich, the package arrived yesterday.  It sure was a suprise.  All I have to do now is find some drop tanks to put on it and then mask the canopy and shoot on some dull coat. 

To answer your question on the Aux Air Doors, they would be closed in flight.

Dom, I also got the T shirt.  It came out very nice.  Thanks to all that helped with the design.

Now that Bernie has his 260, I am putting up images of it.  This will hopefully qualify as one of my entries into the group build.  The landing gear and underwing stores were left off so they wouldn't get trashed in shipping.  So without further ado, the "Too Sick Oh!"

First, before decaling

And now for the main event...

That's it on this one.  I am now back to work on my FGR.2.  I received replacement parts to fix what the idiot cat destroyed, and I purchased new cockpit PE parts, new MB Mk7 seats, and new Resin intakes.  The cockpit is finished and the seats are under way.  I have mounted the cockpit in half of the fuselage but I have a bit of sanding and stuff to do to get the fit right when I put the other fuselage half together.  I will send up images soon.

Rich

Sparrowhyperion

Now that Bernie has his 260, I am putting up images of it.  This will hopefully qualify as one of my entries into the group build.  The landing gear and underwing stores were left off so they wouldn't get trashed in shipping.  So without further ado, the "Too Sick Oh!"

 

First, before decaling

And now for the main event...

 

That's it on this one.  I am now back to work on my FGR.2.  I received replacement parts to fix what the idiot cat destroyed, and I purchased new cockpit PE parts, new MB Mk7 seats, and new Resin intakes.  The cockpit is finished and the seats are under way.  I have mounted the cockpit in half of the fuselage but I have a bit of sanding and stuff to do to get the fit right when I put the other fuselage half together.  I will send up images soon.

Rich

Nice job Rich!!  Two thumbs up!!    Very, very cool!

Ken

berny13

Rich, the package arrived yesterday.  It sure was a suprise.  All I have to do now is find some drop tanks to put on it and then mask the canopy and shoot on some dull coat. 

To answer your question on the Aux Air Doors, they would be closed in flight.

Dom, I also got the T shirt.  It came out very nice.  Thanks to all that helped with the design.

Very welcome...Rich provided the graphics for the shirt, and I provided the kit and some AM parts for Rich's 69-260, and Ken provided the coordination/AF protocol for the trip.....it was a team effort....just our way of saying thanks Berny. Your stories and humour alone were worth the effort!

Thanks for the help Bernie and Med man Jr.

Another question; does this look about the correct placement for the missile status camera? Revellograms itructions are vague and I can't seem to find and clear pictures of one installed. Not even in my walkaround book.

[IMG]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll85/SNG_1991/P1000713.jpg

Thanks!

Somenewguy, I tried to find a few pictures of what I think you are referring to as the TISEO camera? Not a great many I could find-

TISEO 1

TISEO 2

Here is another. Looks like it's almost directly above the inner pylon?

Is this any help?

TISEO 3

An interesting and phun philled Phantom phact I just ran across: In the  60's, MD had proposed and lobbied for a swing-wing variant of the Phantom. It would have had shoulder height mounted variable sweep wings. The drawing I saw had the landing gear mounted in the fuselage and looked a lot like a MIG-23. The Navy wasn't interested in a redesign of an old plane and wanted a new one: the F-14 Tomcat.

I had a link to a website that spoke of this, but now can't seem to find my way back to it. I'll post it if I can find it again.

Jim,

I believe he's talking about the BDA camera mounted in the forward missile recess, not the TISEO camera.

Hi Everyone,

I am finally getting to the ejection seats.  I purchased the Eduard color photo etched parts for the ejection seat to use on the Aires seats.  As luck would have it, the scale is off.  Here is a picture of the bottom seat cushion from the Eduard set sitting on the Aires seat:

The first thing I am going to do is try to match the color used on the Eduard photo etched part.  This will take a little time since the color will change when the paint dries.  I am going to use acrylic since I can use it in the plastic contact lens case.  The lens case is a good size for mixing the paint.  When I have the color matched, then I will trim the photo etched part to fit the front of the Aires seat.  When that is done then I will paint the edges of the Aires seat and with the paint still wet apply the Eduard piece.

Ken

Phil_H

Jim,

I believe he's talking about the BDA camera mounted in the forward missile recess, not the TISEO camera.

My bad! I guess I wasn't paying attention!

I want to include the TISEO on my "E" someday.