The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

Hi Berny,

I was just wondering about how you are feeling and how you were doing?

Ken

Hey Ken:

After hearing Rex's story about the tow-motor injury, and your father's just-in-time, the sobering fact is that service is a dangerous occupation, we celebrate the survivors and honour our dead. I heard a well known, and well liked on my side, announcer kind of mocking Canada as not having produced great fighters, as in soldiers. He is forgiven for not knowing, fact is our sacrifices don't get much play, and I don't say that in complaint by any means.

US military people know what we do, and have done, but the public doesn't really.

I promise not to get all Poly-Sci here, but my wife's step dad was a Wing-Commander, and participated in atom-bomb test(s). He knew what the world was up against at the time, and served. He too suffered a career related injury, not as bad as Rex's, but he had to leave as well. What is interesting is that for years folks up here kind of sneered at the military, and those whom have served. Not any more, I assure you. Maybe we earned a bad rep among our own public over the 'peace' stuff and gaffs, but we've come a long way in supporting missions in dangerous circumstances. 

I won't go on too much because it is a slippery slope, but I feel a lot better now when I meet folks who actually feel proud because we have regained a fighting spirit. 

That Mosquito pilot that sold me his modest collection about 7 years back, he did not want to talk about the things he did either, he said 'Dominic, we buried the real stories.' That kind of says it all, it helped me understand why Vets keep so much of the important stuff to themselves. What happened there stayed there.

I remember seeing the pilot of a Black Cat squad (Attack Catalinas) from WWII being interviewed. He said that for years, he would tell people about what they did, and folks thought he was making it up!

Yeah Ken, it would have been great to find out more from your dad.

Best to your Mom, I appreciate what you are going through.

Thanks Dominic.  I am sorry for your loss as well.

I just didn't realize the questions that I should have asked him before he died.  He was never a person to brag on himself about anything.  In fact when he told me the story about the fuel sabotage, he was mostly focusing on the crew that went into the ocean.  He knew all of them personally, and it really upset him.  After going through some of his old photographs I had questions about them as well.  My Mom is losing her memory, and she doesn't remember much about my Dad's earlier years.  I was really surprised going through his old Air Force records to find all of his evaluations were nothing but very high praise and told about some of his achievements.  He was even the crew chief for a base commander's plane!  Very impressive!

Ken

Is that a MIG?!!!!

Only kidding, I'll have to check the fence out.

By the way, the model actually has a much bigger trunnion than the real F-4, so that's why the big blob of plastic! Who knows, maybe the tool-maker thought it would look like a nice landau wheel cover.

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Bockscar:

 

Berny;

Thanks for that, By the way, It being Veteran's Day (Monday) and all, I was just wondering, would you care to share a story about some situation you found yourself in, maybe a Phantom crew you always wondered about, or wished for a better outcome on their behalf?

We don't have a lot of opportunities to hear things from the guys that were there, like in 'Nam, unfiltered through the media, and if your not really inclined I understand.

Most of us go to work, make decisions, and everyone comes home afterward. But guys like you and Rex, your decisions were in fact life and death, but just part of your everyday routine.

Anything ever happen that kept you up at night, a close call, a dumb luck story, maybe isn't classified or political? I've always been a student of how people actually think and act under pressure, then how they live with outcomes in the big picture. 

By the way, thanks for the info on the Sparrow launching mechanism, my dad always said if there was no mechanical connection, don't expect a mechanical outcome.....

 

 

Hi Dominic,

I have a story to tell, but it was from my Dad.  I am a little fuzzy on the exact details but I will retell it as best I can remember:

My Dad was a flight engineer on both the C-141A Starlifter and the C-5A Galaxy during the Vietnam War.  On his many, many trips he had many close calls.  On one particular trip, shortly after taking off from Vietnam, the crew on my Dad's aircraft began hearing mayday calls from another C-5A that had just taken off shortly before my Dad's aircraft.  They were over the ocean and had lost power to their engines and were going down.  Then the radio fell silent from the C-5 in distress.

My Dad was very intelligent and had firsthand experience on previous flights of attempted sabotage.  He quickly hypothesized that the C-5 in front of his may have had the fuel sabotaged.  The C-5 has 12 internal wing tanks.  My Dad figured that the C-5 in front of them had switched over to the fuel tanks that had been filled at Vietnam.  Knowing that his C-5 had also just been refueled along with the one that had gone in, he talked the pilot into allowing him to switch one of the engines over to a tank that had just been refueled.  The engine almost immediately began to flame out.

Fortunately my Dad's aircraft still had enough fuel in the tanks that was originally filled at Dover AFB that they could divert and land at a nearby island base.  I do not know what base it was but I remember my Dad telling me that the base was very small and was not really equipped to do maintenance on a C-5A Galaxy.  So my Dad had to empty all of the tanks himself.  He found water in the fuel that they had been loaded with in Vietnam.

My Dad was awarded the Air Medal for his quick thinking that saved his crew and the aircraft from the same fate that happened to the C-5 that took off just before his.  I have searched on the internet for any information about the incident but have never found any.  I think that since there were no witnesses (since the C-5 that crashed went into the ocean) the USAF never released the story.

Here is a picture of my Dad who passed away last year:

 

Ken

Hey Ken;

A Salute to your Father.

Sorry to hear he passed away last year, mine passed in May last year as well. He wasn't a military man, but one of his first engineering grad jobs was working on the Avro Arrow, intern.

Your dad had some great instincts, that is quick thinking for sure. Have to wonder how some people get that 'hey wait a second' lightbulb to go on like that, put the pieces of a puzzle together, then test the theory just in time.

My wife's dad died a few days before mine, he was in communications and served in Holland, he kind of lost it at the end. Sorry they are gone, miss them alright. Thanks for the story.

Hi Everyone,

I hope everyone had a good Memorial Day.  I did not get done with my cockpit as I had hoped.  But I did get a lot done.  Here is my progress:

There is still some touch up to do then it is time to start on applying the photo etch along with the film with the gauges on them.

Ken

Thanks Ish -- they sure are subtle, what could have possesed Hasegawa to tool those great blobs of plastic into otherwise beautiful wings?? Must see how thin I can get them...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Hi Everyone,

I hope everyone is enjoying Memorial Day.  I took my Mom out to the cemetary to put American flags and flowers on my Dad's grave this morning.  I still miss him so much.

I wanted to add a note about using the contact lens cases for paint.  Don't use enamel in them.  It took a while but the enamel started to eat the plastic.  They are still a good idea for the Acrylic paint though.

Ken

Thunderbolt, I looked through my pics to see what photos I took that shows the trunnion cover:

The cover looks to be a thick piece of fiberglass.  It does not taper into the wing surface at all, it sits on top of it.  If you look on the left hand side of this last pic, you can see part of the cover, & the thickness of it, & how it sits on top of the wing:

The cover is pretty noticeable, so I didn't remove them totally, just reduced the height for a more scale appearance.

jimbot58

mississippivol:

Ken, that Geasel is looking really good!

 

 

Ken?

Ahhh, dude, I'm sorry! I was reading off the wrong post.

Glenn

Glenn -- page 1 updated!

M/Tb379

some assembly required

wow that was some quick thinking on your dads part! i bet every man aboard was glad he was with them that day.  did you happen to find your parafilm yet?

Hi S.A.R.

I did find some in bulk on Amazon.com.

Ken

mississippivol

Ken, that Geasel is looking really good!

Mike, I need to make a change on the second entry. I'd like to build a 1/72 Monogram "J" for this and the Monogram mafia build. It's going to be a Marine bird, since there's not one of theirs on the shelf yet.

Thanks

Glenn

Hi Glenn,

That Geasel belongs to Jim.  I just hope to make my Phantom look as good as his!

Ken

Hi all,

I've been looking for a good set of pics that depict the F-4J cockpit, and so far the stuff I've been downloading doesn't much resemble the moulded-on detail in the Hasegawa kit. Does anyone have a definitive look at the panels and consoles of the -J???

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Berny: I hope I won't upset anybody by asking a non-Phantom question, though it is indirectly related to my 'Geasel' build.

I have been doing a bit of research in regards to the Trumpeter F105G 'Wild Weasel' and my Google search actually dug up a post from you from clear back in 2004! I was looking for info about the load out for the "G" and found this:

"The Wild Weasels flew in pairs. One would be loaded with one AGM 45 on the outboard pylon, with an ALQ 87 ECM pod loaded on the other outboard pylon. One AGM 78 loaded on the inboard wing pylon and a drop tank on the other. On the centerline would be the drop tank.

The other aircraft would be loaded with two wing drop tanks, one AGM 45 and one ALQ 87 on the outboard pylons. On the centerline it would have a MER loaded with CBU's or MK 117's.

It would only take one shot to kill a radar site. Other sites would shut down as soon as they learned the weasels were in the area. The first aircraft would fire a AGM 45 to kill the site. The second aircraft would drop its centerline load to destroy the SAM's and launch equipment. They would then go looking for "Fresh Meat" to use the rest of their load on."

I would like to do the aircraft that carried the AGM-78 and wondered as to the order of this asymmetrical load  as to where they would be carried on stations 1-5. (  I know 3 would be the CL tank)

It would be interesting to build a pair of these but it seems I still have work to do on some Phantoms before I even do this one......

mississippivol

Ken, that Geasel is looking really good!

 

Ken?

Ken, that Geasel is looking really good!

Mike, I need to make a change on the second entry. I'd like to build a 1/72 Monogram "J" for this and the Monogram mafia build. It's going to be a Marine bird, since there's not one of theirs on the shelf yet.

Thanks

Glenn

wow that was some quick thinking on your dads part! i bet every man aboard was glad he was with them that day.  did you happen to find your parafilm yet?

Bockscar

Berny;

Thanks for that, By the way, It being Veteran's Day (Monday) and all, I was just wondering, would you care to share a story about some situation you found yourself in, maybe a Phantom crew you always wondered about, or wished for a better outcome on their behalf?

We don't have a lot of opportunities to hear things from the guys that were there, like in 'Nam, unfiltered through the media, and if your not really inclined I understand.

Most of us go to work, make decisions, and everyone comes home afterward. But guys like you and Rex, your decisions were in fact life and death, but just part of your everyday routine.

Anything ever happen that kept you up at night, a close call, a dumb luck story, maybe isn't classified or political? I've always been a student of how people actually think and act under pressure, then how they live with outcomes in the big picture. 

By the way, thanks for the info on the Sparrow launching mechanism, my dad always said if there was no mechanical connection, don't expect a mechanical outcome.....

Hi Dominic,

I have a story to tell, but it was from my Dad.  I am a little fuzzy on the exact details but I will retell it as best I can remember:

My Dad was a flight engineer on both the C-141A Starlifter and the C-5A Galaxy during the Vietnam War.  On his many, many trips he had many close calls.  On one particular trip, shortly after taking off from Vietnam, the crew on my Dad's aircraft began hearing mayday calls from another C-5A that had just taken off shortly before my Dad's aircraft.  They were over the ocean and had lost power to their engines and were going down.  Then the radio fell silent from the C-5 in distress.

My Dad was very intelligent and had firsthand experience on previous flights of attempted sabotage.  He quickly hypothesized that the C-5 in front of his may have had the fuel sabotaged.  The C-5 has 12 internal wing tanks.  My Dad figured that the C-5 in front of them had switched over to the fuel tanks that had been filled at Vietnam.  Knowing that his C-5 had also just been refueled along with the one that had gone in, he talked the pilot into allowing him to switch one of the engines over to a tank that had just been refueled.  The engine almost immediately began to flame out.

Fortunately my Dad's aircraft still had enough fuel in the tanks that was originally filled at Dover AFB that they could divert and land at a nearby island base.  I do not know what base it was but I remember my Dad telling me that the base was very small and was not really equipped to do maintenance on a C-5A Galaxy.  So my Dad had to empty all of the tanks himself.  He found water in the fuel that they had been loaded with in Vietnam.

My Dad was awarded the Air Medal for his quick thinking that saved his crew and the aircraft from the same fate that happened to the C-5 that took off just before his.  I have searched on the internet for any information about the incident but have never found any.  I think that since there were no witnesses (since the C-5 that crashed went into the ocean) the USAF never released the story.

Here is a picture of my Dad who passed away last year:

Ken

jimbot58

I am the young age of 53 so the war in 'Nam was well over for me as well, so I never had the distinction of having to serve. The draft was ended and I just went to work. I salute those of you who did serve, though! And a special salute for those who sacrificed in that war and all others this Memorial Day weekend!

I hope I am zeroing in on finishing the Geasel! I did a few things:

I painted the rear fuselage metal area, though I'm not sure if maybe I used too bright of a metalizer here. I used Stainless Steel but think maybe the Magnesium would have been better as it a bit darker. Unfortunately, my bottle is bone dry. I used Titanium below, but you may not be able to see it very well. Your opinions would be helpful...

You might also note the damage there from where the stabs were originally cemented but broke off.

I also am unmasking the cockpit as well:

The canopy pieces are just sitting in place and will eventually posed open. Note that I have not fully removed the masking from the wind screen yet.

I had to touch up the sills around the cockpit and need to do a bit of painting around the frame edges.

I also need to finish dull-coating the area near the nose. I want to mask it and preserve its 'semi-gloss' appearance before finishing it.

 

Very nice Jim!  That Phantom is looking really good! 

Ken

I am the young age of 53 so the war in 'Nam was well over for me as well, so I never had the distinction of having to serve. The draft was ended and I just went to work. I salute those of you who did serve, though! And a special salute for those who sacrificed in that war and all others this Memorial Day weekend!

I hope I am zeroing in on finishing the Geasel! I did a few things:

I painted the rear fuselage metal area, though I'm not sure if maybe I used too bright of a metalizer here. I used Stainless Steel but think maybe the Magnesium would have been better as it a bit darker. Unfortunately, my bottle is bone dry. I used Titanium below, but you may not be able to see it very well. Your opinions would be helpful...

You might also note the damage there from where the stabs were originally cemented but broke off.

I also am unmasking the cockpit as well:

The canopy pieces are just sitting in place and will eventually posed open. Note that I have not fully removed the masking from the wind screen yet.

I had to touch up the sills around the cockpit and need to do a bit of painting around the frame edges.

I also need to finish dull-coating the area near the nose. I want to mask it and preserve its 'semi-gloss' appearance before finishing it.

TarnShip

as the rest of the guys that served can tell you,,,,,,,you never know who you'll bump into and where,,,,,I had the "pleasure" of constantly bumping into my Uncles,,,or even before I was 18, getting told about times they bumped into each other,,,,,,,,,the funniest was on Okinawa,,,,,,Gunny Vic was the older of the two, and was on his way back from his first tour in Nam,,,,,,walked into a bar,,,,,,and there sat Bob, still only a S/Sgt on his way into Nam for his second tour, sipping a beer,,,Vic bellowed out with the usual "they'll let just any Jarhead in here,,,,,,,,insult, profanity, insult, insult,,,,etc",,,,,,Bob hopped up and swiveled, all set for another Marine v Navy barfight,,,,,,to end up staring at  his brother in law,,,,,,Vic stopped at our house in SoCal on his way to Wis and told the story,,,just days after Bob had visited before reporting to El Torro and shipping out

on Bob's last tour, he called and asked Dad if it he would bring "little Rex" down to El Torro for a bit,,,,,,,to "look at some airplanes",,,,,I went down, and saw my first  F-4 up close,,,,at the ripe old age of 13,,,,,,,, I was hooked

Vic retired before I turned 18, and lived near us, now in Wis again,,,,,,Bob got promoted to Gunny and transferrred to the MarTD at Glenview,,,,Bob took the weekend off and both took me to meet the bus for my trip to San Diego for Boot,,,,,,,,,,,after boot,,,,,,,I got posted to ,,,,,,,,,,,,Glenview,,,,,,,ackk,,,,,,,"see the world" and all that rot, and here I was working alllll the way down in the Chicago area,,,,200 miles our from place in central Wis

Bobby is still with us, he's only 12 years older than I,,,,,,,but, Vic has been gone now for 10 years,,,,,,,he's the only one gone of my Uncles and one Aunt that served in the various branches,,,so, he's the one I think of on Memorial Day

My time in Glenview was "unremarkable" in hindsight,,,,,,,various humorous incidents involving sitting next to the snowplow driver when he fell to sleep driving down the runway at 3 am,,,,,,and plinking off unimportant lights and such,,,,,,,or ummm,,,,,,ermmm,,,,,,,,I will neither confirm or deny that I was involved or knew who was involved in an incident where snow was rolled into a little sportscar parked on the even side of the road on an odd side night (I wasn't driving then, either)

the only story worth mentioning in all of this,,,,,,is after only 4 years as a Marine,,,,,,,,I suffered a unique form of "Phantom bite", involving jacks and a tow tractor (and a umm,,,Pvt),,,,,,,,,that tore my abdomen up and led to my discharge,,,,,,,sending Cpl Rex home to find a new career

I did get to go TDY a lot,,,,,,,but, I always seemed to be "home" in Glenview in the winter,and in such great places as Yuma in July

But, don't read me wrong,,,,,,,I loved almost every minute of it (except the first 13 weeks),,,,,,and if I had to do it over,,,,,,,I'd do it the same

this is so far off topic that it's not even funny,,,,but, Memorial day weekend does get me thinking

if you get the chance, build a vet a model, tank, plane or ship,,,,,,you'll enjoy that certain look on their face, believe me

Semper Fi Gunnery Sergeant Vic Herr,,,,and for all of your own "Vic's" out there, no matter which service or country

Rex

edited, the filter did NOT like my nickname for San Diego/Hollywood,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol

YOWZeR REX...That's the stuff....

Gzink...gzzznk....gznnnckt...Snowplow ......Glenview Beauty.......

Owwwwcchhh.Phantom bite......Tow-motor-solar-pexus......yikes.....Cpl Rex, hope you can still do sit ups...lol...between bad memories and excruciations.....Yuma....ummm..got any ole Colt 'advisors' hangin' round....lol....Glenview....ummmm...who woulda' guessed that was a big turnpike in life.....I remember lifting, er, sliding, a furnace off of a tow motor's fork about 10 feet up onto a storage rack, I was immortal at the time lol....still here to talk about it....

Great stories Rex.....Memorial Day.....not quite up to swaggering into a bar hurling attributables...lol there's my $5 word of the day.....I'm going to Dayton soon, my first real close up of the F-4, when I scratch my nails into it's skin, the staff hate it when I do that....I'll be thinking of tow motors....Vic....stomach discomfort....lol....500lb packages of joy.....Sparrows....Mac's furrowed hair.....lol....guys's like Rex and Vic.....oh man Rex, why did you mention beer.....

as the rest of the guys that served can tell you,,,,,,,you never know who you'll bump into and where,,,,,I had the "pleasure" of constantly bumping into my Uncles,,,or even before I was 18, getting told about times they bumped into each other,,,,,,,,,the funniest was on Okinawa,,,,,,Gunny Vic was the older of the two, and was on his way back from his first tour in Nam,,,,,,walked into a bar,,,,,,and there sat Bob, still only a S/Sgt on his way into Nam for his second tour, sipping a beer,,,Vic bellowed out with the usual "they'll let just any Jarhead in here,,,,,,,,insult, profanity, insult, insult,,,,etc",,,,,,Bob hopped up and swiveled, all set for another Marine v Navy barfight,,,,,,to end up staring at  his brother in law,,,,,,Vic stopped at our house in SoCal on his way to Wis and told the story,,,just days after Bob had visited before reporting to El Torro and shipping out

on Bob's last tour, he called and asked Dad if it he would bring "little Rex" down to El Torro for a bit,,,,,,,to "look at some airplanes",,,,,I went down, and saw my first  F-4 up close,,,,at the ripe old age of 13,,,,,,,, I was hooked

Vic retired before I turned 18, and lived near us, now in Wis again,,,,,,Bob got promoted to Gunny and transferrred to the MarTD at Glenview,,,,Bob took the weekend off and both took me to meet the bus for my trip to San Diego for Boot,,,,,,,,,,,after boot,,,,,,,I got posted to ,,,,,,,,,,,,Glenview,,,,,,,ackk,,,,,,,"see the world" and all that rot, and here I was working alllll the way down in the Chicago area,,,,200 miles our from place in central Wis

Bobby is still with us, he's only 12 years older than I,,,,,,,but, Vic has been gone now for 10 years,,,,,,,he's the only one gone of my Uncles and one Aunt that served in the various branches,,,so, he's the one I think of on Memorial Day

My time in Glenview was "unremarkable" in hindsight,,,,,,,various humorous incidents involving sitting next to the snowplow driver when he fell to sleep driving down the runway at 3 am,,,,,,and plinking off unimportant lights and such,,,,,,,or ummm,,,,,,ermmm,,,,,,,,I will neither confirm or deny that I was involved or knew who was involved in an incident where snow was rolled into a little sportscar parked on the even side of the road on an odd side night (I wasn't driving then, either)

the only story worth mentioning in all of this,,,,,,is after only 4 years as a Marine,,,,,,,,I suffered a unique form of "Phantom bite", involving jacks and a tow tractor (and a umm,,,Pvt),,,,,,,,,that tore my abdomen up and led to my discharge,,,,,,,sending Cpl Rex home to find a new career

I did get to go TDY a lot,,,,,,,but, I always seemed to be "home" in Glenview in the winter,and in such great places as Yuma in July

But, don't read me wrong,,,,,,,I loved almost every minute of it (except the first 13 weeks),,,,,,and if I had to do it over,,,,,,,I'd do it the same

this is so far off topic that it's not even funny,,,,but, Memorial day weekend does get me thinking

if you get the chance, build a vet a model, tank, plane or ship,,,,,,you'll enjoy that certain look on their face, believe me

Semper Fi Gunnery Sergeant Vic Herr,,,,and for all of your own "Vic's" out there, no matter which service or country

Rex

edited, the filter did NOT like my nickname for San Diego/Hollywood,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol

and the reason for not including any of the "juicy and amusing" stories,,,,,,they all involved the men that came there to train, both Marine and Navy reservists,,,,,,,,,and I'll not disrespect any of them by telling those things this weekend,,,,,,our job was to keep things fixed so they could come in and "learn hands on",,,,those things were supposed to happen there, to keep them from happening in any certain forward area they'd be going to

Why, Rex, I'm only a kid, I just turned 48... Vietnam was over before I hit my teens, but I worshipped the F-4 from infancy, and it's totally amazing for me to have made the acquaintence of those who served with her.

But I sure caught the scratchbuilding bug. I must upload a pic of a 200-hour build I did for a collector in Canada, an SF fighter jet in 1:72nd scale, with a Phantom alongside for scale. I have a list of 100 or more subjects I'd love to do from scratch, but I'll need to live at least 200 years to get through that lot. That's okay, I'm prepared to do that!

I tried out the MM Acryls today, I laid the 36231 into the cockpits for the Fujimi -K and the Hasegawa -J, and I can say they behaved pretty well. They're a lot thinner than Tamiya acrylics so I thinned by a third instead of a half, and they took to Tamiya thinners very well. There's no odour and they cleaned up fine with water. I spotted no tendancy to tip-dry, which was a great plus, though I'll have to be very careful with coat density as they do seem to develop a lustre where the paint is thinner. No worries, really, I'll be using clear coats when I use them as exterior shades.

Now I can get to grips with those other Phantoms too, I finally have a way to do the Gull Grays without stinking out the house!

I think the -J box art is probably the best reference for the trunion covers, so I'll file them up from styrene at 3.5 x 10 x 1mm, and hopefully have those details completed, along with removing the slime lights and torsion box plates in the same timeframe as completing the cockpits.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

TarnShip

first, a gentle reminder,,,,,compared to Mike and Berny,,,,,I am a young guy,,,,only 54,,,,,,so, as I said before (I think),,,,I didn't start until 1975

also,,,,I'm fairly sure the Mike already has had the scratch bug for a bit longer than I have, lol,,,,,,back issues of magazines are cool when you go looking for Phantom models as inspiration,,,,,,,nice build of that old Hasegawa 1/72 kit back then, Mike

any of my "sea stories" would mostly include Skyhawks and snowplows,,,,,NAS Glenview is a bit famous for it's "lake effect trapping" abilities,,,,,and a very short time around Phantoms as the actual aircraft,,,,,mostly wherever I was, the huge beasts were taking up space we could have used for 4 of our aircraft,,,,,,,,,,and no matter which aircraft I was around,,,,the yellow gear was my job

I did have the pleasure of serving with/under one of the original F-4 Black Knights and later on, a Silver Eagle,,,,,,,if you call serving with an Uncle in the same service a pleasure, lol

as for Monday,,,,,,,I will say  Semper Fi for another Uncle,,,,,,Gunny Vic Herr, a Korean War  vet tank commander, and 2 tour Vietnam vet tank commander

Rex

UUmm...you qualify Rex, serving with family, that has got to hurt!....lol...I'm not sure if snowplow is a tired ground vehicle or a C-130 Spooky....lol...

Always loved Skyhawks, unsung, but man they dropped a lot of iron on the nice communal people, bad guys doing that, oh....no....polWarningSignifier...lol.....some things in life do not trigger my guilty feelings...ummm...I like community focused people.....lol....

Rex, anything storywise you can share, I never forget pain...lol...it may seem minuscule to you, but it is gold to the rest of us.....never heard of Gunny Vic Herr, please spill the beans Rex.....

first, a gentle reminder,,,,,compared to Mike and Berny,,,,,I am a young guy,,,,only 54,,,,,,so, as I said before (I think),,,,I didn't start until 1975

also,,,,I'm fairly sure the Mike already has had the scratch bug for a bit longer than I have, lol,,,,,,back issues of magazines are cool when you go looking for Phantom models as inspiration,,,,,,,nice build of that old Hasegawa 1/72 kit back then, Mike

any of my "sea stories" would mostly include Skyhawks and snowplows,,,,,NAS Glenview is a bit famous for it's "lake effect trapping" abilities,,,,,and a very short time around Phantoms as the actual aircraft,,,,,mostly wherever I was, the huge beasts were taking up space we could have used for 4 of our aircraft,,,,,,,,,,and no matter which aircraft I was around,,,,the yellow gear was my job

I did have the pleasure of serving with/under one of the original F-4 Black Knights and later on, a Silver Eagle,,,,,,,if you call serving with an Uncle in the same service a pleasure, lol

as for Monday,,,,,,,I will say  Semper Fi for another Uncle,,,,,,Gunny Vic Herr, a Korean War  vet tank commander, and 2 tour Vietnam vet tank commander

Rex

Thunderbolt379

Sorry to hear that, redraider -- not to worry, there'll be more Rhino builds in future, I'm sure!

I went ahead and doctored the trunion covers on the -J. Here's the work at mid-point:

The wing looks a lot cleaner with that great slab gone. The right wing is now done, filled and sanded too.

I've been looking for a pic of the accurate cover, my impression is a smooth aerodynamic taper from fore to after, with a chamfer/incline at right and left. Does anyone have a good pic? Bob Dorr's Phantoms Forever doesn't have a very close angle, unfortunately, but there are more sources to check. I remember we had a builder here not long ago accurize this aspect, but with over 120 pages of posts now it's a bear finding anything in particular. (If I had my wits about me I'd have created an index post, updating it as we go... What a good idea, perhaps directly following the leader post, so we can always find specific things... Well, not this time, real life is a bit too insistent!)

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Nice job cutting Mike, no complaints this side of the globe, Yeah, if woulda' just masked an free-hand shaved with a flexible blade, Rex called it pretty good, i didn't understand the shape until I saw it, Rex knew what you were talking about.

Soon I will have a Dremil, mask and cut the grass with a styro-mower, no application of fertilizer required post cut! Keep cuttin' Mike, soon you'll be infected by the "scratch" pal.....

berny13

 

Bockscar:

 

 

 

Berny:

"A six foot coiled lanyard would keep the rocket motor from igniting until it was well clear of the aircraft."

So the grenade had a pin with a 6' coil...never see that in films....

Also the slots for the missile fins, open on the inside or their own shaped box? -kind of esoteric.

I'll never forget that interview with Cunningham.  

 

 

That is a big powerful grenade.  Once the rocket motor kicks in it would throw the grenade to Mach 3 for a range of 30 miles.   

The rear missile fins had a fiberglass box that they would fit into.  Later on the fiberglass was replaced by a  sheet metal cover for the fins.    

Berny;

Thanks for that, By the way, It being Veteran's Day (Monday) and all, I was just wondering, would you care to share a story about some situation you found yourself in, maybe a Phantom crew you always wondered about, or wished for a better outcome on their behalf?

We don't have a lot of opportunities to hear things from the guys that were there, like in 'Nam, unfiltered through the media, and if your not really inclined I understand.

Most of us go to work, make decisions, and everyone comes home afterward. But guys like you and Rex, your decisions were in fact life and death, but just part of your everyday routine.

Anything ever happen that kept you up at night, a close call, a dumb luck story, maybe isn't classified or political? I've always been a student of how people actually think and act under pressure, then how they live with outcomes in the big picture. 

By the way, thanks for the info on the Sparrow launching mechanism, my dad always said if there was no mechanical connection, don't expect a mechanical outcome.....

Lol.   I've been trying to get a 1/32 F4 since I was a kid.  They are just too expensive.  Although now, I could really justify the expenditure.  Even some of the 1/48 kits are becoming problematic for me.  I'll suck up to the Wife for a few months and see if I can talk her into a Revell...  LMAO.

In other news.  Still waiting for FGR2 parts, it is going to be a few weeks.  The last time I had to get parts, it was about 3 weeks.  My replacement resin intakes arrived the other day so I can at least get that taken care of since I have new body halves.  Although I may have to wait.  I don't remember if it's possible to put on the vanes after mounting the resin.  I repaired my C model Revell kit as best I could.  I may battle damage it a bit to cover the damaged joins to the stabilators.  Marissa's J is badly damaged, but she's trying to fix it.  I may let her skip it and do her Blue Angel phantom instead.  I'll have to see how well it is working out tomorrow.

That's it for now.  Happy Veterans day to you all!

Rich

mississippivol

Hi ya'll,

I went to the Memphis Kingcon today. Couldn't enter b/c of other commitments, but it's always good to hit vendor tables and see what's being laid out on the tables. Very few Phantoms, only three, but they were great. Someone brought a 32nd "B" in Sundowner markings, a 48th with Diamondback markings, and a conversion to a prototype "A" model. Too bad we couldn't flood a show with our Rhinos. That would be impressive!

Glenn

Hi ya'll,

I went to the Memphis Kingcon today. Couldn't enter b/c of other commitments, but it's always good to hit vendor tables and see what's being laid out on the tables. Very few Phantoms, only three, but they were great. Someone brought a 32nd "B" in Sundowner markings, a 48th with Diamondback markings, and a conversion to a prototype "A" model. Too bad we couldn't flood a show with our Rhinos. That would be impressive!

Glenn