The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

Ok, Berny!

Your just going to have to put your finger on the one that's you!

Anyway, no building at all this weekend as I seemed to have caught a bug and been mostly in bed or on the couch! Why doesn't this happen during the week so I can call in sick? Sunday isn't looking good either.....

berny13

How is this for a Phantom Group build?  Photo was taken in 1981 at Nellis AFB, NV during a Red Flag deployment.  We deployed from Homestead AFB, FL.

 

I shoulda' said something, it was those galsses and that no-nonsense look that gave me the idea....lol, I was wondering if I could read that name tag....great shot Berny.

Bockscar

berny13:

 

Bockscar:

 

Okay Berny, I'll bite:

Are you in that shot? 

 

 

Yes.

 

Hmmm........I'm looking for a boss man......

Front row center.

Bockscar

Hey gents, Sprue Brothers is telling me I ordered the wrong part, and I'm telling them they charged me for the part I wanted(ARS2074), which is $4.50 more than the part they sent(ARS2094).

What would you guys do? I could send it back and walk away in a huff, and I'l be out $10 shipping, or just eat it and re-order, and feel a bit ripped.  Heck I'ld phone them, but that'ld cost $10.

They refuse to refund the difference! maybe call PayPal and complain?

Suggestions?

Hi Dominic,

When I order from Sprue Brothers I always get an email showing my order.  Do you still have that?

Ken

berny13

 

Bockscar:

 

Okay Berny, I'll bite:

Are you in that shot? 

 

 

Yes.

Hmmm........I'm looking for a boss man......

Thanks!  Th timing should be good too.  This FGR2 is goint to take me all weekend.  There is going to be a lot more work than I thought to get it passable.

Rich

berny13

Rich, I have the stabs in the mail.  I had to go to the hardware store and get another part for my well pump and the PO was just a little out of the way.  You should get it sometime next week. 

Rich, I have the stabs in the mail.  I had to go to the hardware store and get another part for my well pump and the PO was just a little out of the way.  You should get it sometime next week. 

Bockscar

Okay Berny, I'll bite:

Are you in that shot? 

Yes.

Thanks Rich, I'll have a look.

Most items bought through Paypal are covered under their Buyer Protection system.  Even stuff not bought on eBay.  Open a case on their website.  If the item was NOT what they advertised, they will usually issue a refund and take it out of the seller themselves.  Don't wait to do it either.  I believe there is a time limit.

Rich

Bockscar

Hey gents, Sprue Brothers is telling me I ordered the wrong part, and I'm telling them they charged me for the part I wanted(ARS2074), which is $4.50 more than the part they sent(ARS2094).

What would you guys do? I could send it back and walk away in a huff, and I'l be out $10 shipping, or just eat it and re-order, and feel a bit ripped.  Heck I'ld phone them, but that'ld cost $10.

They refuse to refund the difference! maybe call PayPal and complain?

Suggestions?

Hey gents, Sprue Brothers is telling me I ordered the wrong part, and I'm telling them they charged me for the part I wanted(ARS2074), which is $4.50 more than the part they sent(ARS2094).

What would you guys do? I could send it back and walk away in a huff, and I'l be out $10 shipping, or just eat it and re-order, and feel a bit ripped.  Heck I'ld phone them, but that'ld cost $10.

They refuse to refund the difference! maybe call PayPal and complain?

Suggestions?

Okay Berny, I'll bite:

Are you in that shot? 

TarnShip

Bocks, just in case you are thinking of mailing off "big bucks" to get some of those "collectible" kits,,,,,,,you should know that no matter what they say on the boxart,,,,,the kits that are labeled as Hasegawa F-4K/M and that early AMT Red Devils F-4D are really F-4B's in the box, only they didn't include the IR sensors

the "short list" is

Hasegawa F-4K/M

AMT/Hasegawa F-4D/F-4J prototype

Hasegawa F-4J (early JS series numbers)

and the Eastern Express copy of the F-4K

all of those are thin winged, no matter what they say on the boxes

having said that,,,,,,that F-4D kit is a good place to get the Red Devils markings, and the first production F-4J markings,,,,,,,,and the VF-74 Airfix kit is a good place to get those markings, the Airfix/MPC kit is also a thin wing, no matter how it's labeled

Rex,,,,,,,has all of them in the stash, and/or has built them in the past

Thanks Rex,

I had no idea so many of the kits were just repeats, but that helps. I'll need to get one of these Phantom survey books to help me understand the evolution of the plane.

You brought up an interesting point about repackaging. I remember as a kid wanting a new version of something, saving up and buying it, then finding out it was the last one I had. Oh yeah, with different decals.

I'm at a point where i buy some kits just for the time period and box art. I got a few 'big buck' kits from Alan, I wouldn't trade them for anything, but I have no intention of building them either. My favourites are the old 50's and early 60's Revell and Lindeberg box tops. But horrors, that old Revell Thunderstreak is an ugly piece of plastic:

But here's the old box art:

So is that box top worth $135? Well, i admit I bought a few others like it (musta been into the wobbly pop), but it's kinda like old comics, and I'll never get my money back on Ebay, so I'm happy for the ones I have.

As for box tops, here's a nice one:

An LHS has a few of the old F-4 kits in Toronto, I may have to have a look soon.

I am trying to locate a 1/72nd Fujimi F-4E for this build that carried the markings for the Missouri ANG I believe.  It was a commemorative scheme celebrating the Phantom's service.  So far I've come up empty though.  Not sure what version I'll go with at this point now.

No rush Berny.  I really appreciate this.  I can work on the FGR2 until the package gets here.  That one is in need of a lot of contouring on the underside so it will take a few days anyways.

Thanks again.

Rich

berny13

Rich, I have the stabs all boxed up and ready to ship.  I am not sure if I will get to the post office today but if not I will have time Monday before a doctors appointment.

Rich, I have the stabs all boxed up and ready to ship.  I am not sure if I will get to the post office today but if not I will have time Monday before a doctors appointment.

How is this for a Phantom Group build?  Photo was taken in 1981 at Nellis AFB, NV during a Red Flag deployment.  We deployed from Homestead AFB, FL.

Bocks, just in case you are thinking of mailing off "big bucks" to get some of those "collectible" kits,,,,,,,you should know that no matter what they say on the boxart,,,,,the kits that are labeled as Hasegawa F-4K/M and that early AMT Red Devils F-4D are really F-4B's in the box, only they didn't include the IR sensors

the "short list" is

Hasegawa F-4K/M

AMT/Hasegawa F-4D/F-4J prototype

Hasegawa F-4J (early JS series numbers)

and the Eastern Express copy of the F-4K

all of those are thin winged, no matter what they say on the boxes

having said that,,,,,,that F-4D kit is a good place to get the Red Devils markings, and the first production F-4J markings,,,,,,,,and the VF-74 Airfix kit is a good place to get those markings, the Airfix/MPC kit is also a thin wing, no matter how it's labeled

Rex,,,,,,,has all of them in the stash, and/or has built them in the past

I found another one:

Nice painting!

For gosh sakes Rich, don't let her know about the big 1/32 scale B-17!

Annnything but that!!!

Can you even imagine how much ice-cream you'ld need for a kit like that!?!?

Here's some Royal Navy Phantom artwork, I think there are a few more;

You may be right.  I know they conspire about many things.  I see them all talking together all the time... LLOLOLOLOOL  Okay..  I have to stop watching Dementia 13 so often.....  She has been hinting about  a 1/48 B17F or G.  I made the mistake of letting her watch Memphis Belle with me and now she's picked up my B17 tastes..

Bockscar

 

 

 

Gosh Rich, it's just awful you may have to buy extra ice-cream and maybe another model, what a ghastly outcome...lol...hey soon you will have more spare parts than Berny!

Maybe Marissa put the cat up to it Rich, you better keep an eye on that!

Sparrowhyperion

Whichever cat did it better feel really lucky that I can't find a single one to blame it on.  Otherwise, I'd have to change one of their names to "CueBall"...

Yeh.  Hasegawa sent me a set of replacement fuselage halves that arrived today.  Actually they sent me the entire sprue.  I'm not sure if I will need it now but at least I have a couple of other spare parts as well in case someone needs anything on that sprue.  The intakes are coming out well though. I'm almost to the mask and paint section of the project.  I don't put on the engine cans or the landing gear until I have the rest painted.  It saves a LOT of masking.

The other F4 is also coming along reasonably well except for the tail stabilizer that's missing.  I am continuing to work on the rest of it for now.  Marissa has had a lot of homework this week so she plans on catching up with me this weekend.  It's turning into a sort of contest to see who's comes out best, with my Wife as the judge.  I am starting to get worried that I am going to owe her a lot of ice cream...  And another kit....

 

 

Bockscar:

 

Rich; let me guess, Snakes n' Ladders is one of your old favourites! I think I have an old electric shaver around here if you get serious about that cat!

I'm glad you stuck to that intake project, it's shaping up real nice. Lol...Those clamps look like a giant robot is grabbing your F4!

 

 

Gosh Rich, it's just awful you may have to buy extra ice-cream and maybe another model, what a ghastly outcome...lol...hey soon you will have more spare parts than Berny!

Maybe Marissa put the cat up to it Rich, you better keep an eye on that!

Whichever cat did it better feel really lucky that I can't find a single one to blame it on.  Otherwise, I'd have to change one of their names to "CueBall"...

Yeh.  Hasegawa sent me a set of replacement fuselage halves that arrived today.  Actually they sent me the entire sprue.  I'm not sure if I will need it now but at least I have a couple of other spare parts as well in case someone needs anything on that sprue.  The intakes are coming out well though. I'm almost to the mask and paint section of the project.  I don't put on the engine cans or the landing gear until I have the rest painted.  It saves a LOT of masking.

The other F4 is also coming along reasonably well except for the tail stabilizer that's missing.  I am continuing to work on the rest of it for now.  Marissa has had a lot of homework this week so she plans on catching up with me this weekend.  It's turning into a sort of contest to see who's comes out best, with my Wife as the judge.  I am starting to get worried that I am going to owe her a lot of ice cream...  And another kit....

Bockscar

Rich; let me guess, Snakes n' Ladders is one of your old favourites! I think I have an old electric shaver around here if you get serious about that cat!

I'm glad you stuck to that intake project, it's shaping up real nice. Lol...Those clamps look like a giant robot is grabbing your F4!

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Bockscar:

 

 

 Hey Ken great work covering that gash! The boot for the joystick reminds of my old Chevy 4-speed, almost as fast as an F4 from 0-60

 

 

 

Thanks Dominic!  That is funny, that boot reminded me of my 1969 Ford Mustang 4-speed!  Those were the days.  Fast cars and fast women!

Ken

 

 

427, Rochester Quadra Jet....still has my ears ringing....I remember the day I miss shifted and blew the Muncie to pieces.....

 

 

Very cool!  I had a 351 Cleveland, dual 4-barrel Holleys, tunnel ram intake, big cam, etc.  It would do the quarter mile in 12 seconds and it didn't hook up until I shifted into 2nd gear with 12 inch wide wrinkle wall slicks.  Had a set of ladder bars to put on it when my finances dried up.  Would have been nice to see how fast it would have been with those on it.

Ken

 

 

That woulda' blown my doors off, but then, mine was a Biscayne wagon, kinda like a Nomad on steroids.

Uh, women like the really, really big back seat,

 

 

Yes, you got me beat there.  It was possible in the Mustang, but that was back when I was skinny and flexible!

Ken

Lol...you forgot "...and a perfect gentleman..."....yeah, the thought of being in that situation in my current condition, save me the time, just call an ambulance!

"Thank gosh Ivanka was snoozing on the proximity fuse assembly line again....":

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Bockscar:

 

 

 Hey Ken great work covering that gash! The boot for the joystick reminds of my old Chevy 4-speed, almost as fast as an F4 from 0-60

 

 

 

Thanks Dominic!  That is funny, that boot reminded me of my 1969 Ford Mustang 4-speed!  Those were the days.  Fast cars and fast women!

Ken

 

 

427, Rochester Quadra Jet....still has my ears ringing....I remember the day I miss shifted and blew the Muncie to pieces.....

 

 

Very cool!  I had a 351 Cleveland, dual 4-barrel Holleys, tunnel ram intake, big cam, etc.  It would do the quarter mile in 12 seconds and it didn't hook up until I shifted into 2nd gear with 12 inch wide wrinkle wall slicks.  Had a set of ladder bars to put on it when my finances dried up.  Would have been nice to see how fast it would have been with those on it.

Ken

 

That woulda' blown my doors off, but then, mine was a Biscayne wagon, kinda like a Nomad on steroids.

Uh, women like the really, really big back seat,

Yes, you got me beat there.  It was possible in the Mustang, but that was back when I was skinny and flexible!

Ken

Hey, this guy's flying a bit close to the ground:

That's an expensive way to bust tanks!

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Bockscar:

 

 

 Hey Ken great work covering that gash! The boot for the joystick reminds of my old Chevy 4-speed, almost as fast as an F4 from 0-60

 

 

 

Thanks Dominic!  That is funny, that boot reminded me of my 1969 Ford Mustang 4-speed!  Those were the days.  Fast cars and fast women!

Ken

 

 

427, Rochester Quadra Jet....still has my ears ringing....I remember the day I miss shifted and blew the Muncie to pieces.....

 

 

Very cool!  I had a 351 Cleveland, dual 4-barrel Holleys, tunnel ram intake, big cam, etc.  It would do the quarter mile in 12 seconds and it didn't hook up until I shifted into 2nd gear with 12 inch wide wrinkle wall slicks.  Had a set of ladder bars to put on it when my finances dried up.  Would have been nice to see how fast it would have been with those on it.

Ken

That woulda' blown my doors off, but then, mine was a Biscayne wagon, kinda like a Nomad on steroids.

Uh, women like the really, really big back seat,