The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Bockscar:

 

 

 Hey Ken great work covering that gash! The boot for the joystick reminds of my old Chevy 4-speed, almost as fast as an F4 from 0-60

 

 

 

Thanks Dominic!  That is funny, that boot reminded me of my 1969 Ford Mustang 4-speed!  Those were the days.  Fast cars and fast women!

Ken

 

427, Rochester Quadra Jet....still has my ears ringing....I remember the day I miss shifted and blew the Muncie to pieces.....

Very cool!  I had a 351 Cleveland, dual 4-barrel Holleys, tunnel ram intake, big cam, etc.  It would do the quarter mile in 12 seconds and it didn't hook up until I shifted into 2nd gear with 12 inch wide wrinkle wall slicks.  Had a set of ladder bars to put on it when my finances dried up.  Would have been nice to see how fast it would have been with those on it.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Bockscar:

 

 

 Hey Ken great work covering that gash! The boot for the joystick reminds of my old Chevy 4-speed, almost as fast as an F4 from 0-60

 

 

 

Thanks Dominic!  That is funny, that boot reminded me of my 1969 Ford Mustang 4-speed!  Those were the days.  Fast cars and fast women!

Ken

427, Rochester Quadra Jet....still has my ears ringing....I remember the day I miss shifted and blew the Muncie to pieces.....

Bockscar

 Hey Ken great work covering that gash! The boot for the joystick reminds of my old Chevy 4-speed, almost as fast as an F4 from 0-60

Thanks Dominic!  That is funny, that boot reminded me of my 1969 Ford Mustang 4-speed!  Those were the days.  Fast cars and fast women!

Ken

Rich; let me guess, Snakes n' Ladders is one of your old favourites! I think I have an old electric shaver around here if you get serious about that cat!

I'm glad you stuck to that intake project, it's shaping up real nice. Lol...Those clamps look like a giant robot is grabbing your F4!

jimbot58

Some ups and downs here: My 'Geasel' is acquiring a fierceness!

But not without a struggle: the sharkmouth was a bit of a pain as the Italeri decal was a bit thick and took time and lots of nursing it down with many applications of Micro-sol. Finally got it all settled down, but I also had to trim it as it didn't quite fit between the radome and the small inlet behind it. The other data decals are freshly applied and may still look a bit milky, but that will go away.

I also had a bit of a mishap with it: A miscue on my part sent it tumbling to the floor, where it landed tail first, snapping off the fuel dump! I searched for the broken piece but all I got was a crunch and a burp from the carpet monster! The part is nowhere to be found! I still have that old Italeri kit I robbed gear doors and decals from and the part looks usable, but will no doubt be a PITA to re-attach. I'm going to wait to do that as I still have lots of decals to do, metal finishes around the exhaust areas and so on, so lots of handling still to go with plenty of time for me to break it or something else off!

It was worth the effort Jimbot, that looks fantastic, and as nasty as it should. Man I am dying to see the paint come off that canopy!

I found this at Alan's website:

Great artwork!

Son Of Medicine Man

Well here it is.  I think I came really close to matching the color.  I am very happy with the results.

 

Ken

Hey Ken great work covering that gash! The boot for the joystick reminds of my old Chevy 4-speed, almost as fast as an F4 from 0-60

Well here it is.  I think I came really close to matching the color.  I am very happy with the results.

Ken

I'll join in on this build but have yet to decide which kit to use.  I have a few F-4's in both 1/48th and 1/72nd scale. I have Hasegawa's F-4G, my favorite variant, as well as the F-4c with Arkansas ANG markings, a Fujimi F-4E with 30 year commemorative markings. I am not sure which of these I'll tackle or maybe I'll pick one up from E-Bay...

Hi Everyone,

Well the third cockpit from Sprue Brothers arrived today but with dissappointment.  It is not Sprue Brothers fault however, but Aires.  As I have shown before, the original cockpit I purchased did not have the correct detail for an F-4E.  The cockpit that arrived today matches the original cockpit as shown below:

Here is a picture with the correct detail:

The problem with the second cockpit was a gash in the side wall of the front cockpit shown below:

This cockpit that arrived today is the third attempt by Sprue Brothers to produce a cockpit that was not damaged.  But like I already said, the one that arrived today is not Sprue Brothers fault, but Aires.  Since this has been dragging out for so long, I decided to make an attempt to repairing the cockpit with the gash.  I was very pleased with the result.  I took Squadron White Putty and thinned it with acetone to make it fluid enough to press into the gash.  Then with an X-Acto knife blade, I pushed it into the gash and smoothed flush with the cockpit wall.  Here is a few pictures of the result:

Here is another picture with a dime to give a perspective of the scale:

I will paint the "plate" that the gash was in with some gloss enamel grey.  I know I won't be able to match the color grey of the cockpit, put I have seen many pictures of the F-4 cockpit where these panels were a different shade of grey from obvious re-painting after the original cockpit was painted.  So I feel it will still be authentic.  When the putty has dried I will paint it and post some pictures of the result.

Ken

Thanks for the idea.  I'll give it a try.  The trickiest I think is going to be getting the depressions for the missiles to line up again.  Argh... lol

some assembly required

sparrowhyperion - thats some work  ahead of you. i couldnt possibly pull off the work you do . i do have a small tip that might help in your endeavors with the seams near the burner cans. i use a two part epoxy called pc-7 from ace hardware. i read about it here in the forums and it works great for hiding seams. put it on like normal putty then use q-tips and saliva to remove w/out damaging any detail  im usuing it for an f-86 in NMF for the korean war GB and it works great.

                            good luck with your f-4

                                                S.A.R. 

 

sparrowhyperion - thats some work  ahead of you. i couldnt possibly pull off the work you do . i do have a small tip that might help in your endeavors with the seams near the burner cans. i use a two part epoxy called pc-7 from ace hardware. i read about it here in the forums and it works great for hiding seams. put it on like normal putty then use q-tips and saliva to remove w/out damaging any detail  im usuing it for an f-86 in NMF for the korean war GB and it works great.

                            good luck with your f-4

                                                S.A.R. 

sparrowhyperion - thats some work  ahead of you. i couldnt possibly pull off the work you do . i do have a small tip that might help in your endeavors with the seams near the burner cans. i use a two part epoxy called pc-7 from ace hardware. i read about it here in the forums and it works great for hiding seams. put it on like normal putty then use q-tips and saliva to remove w/out damaging any detail  im usuing it for an f-86 in NMF for the korean war GB and it works great.

                            good luck with your f-4

                                                S.A.R. 

Unfortunately the Stabilizer is irreparable.  It broke into three pieces and twisted so much in the process that I can't get them to line up again.  I'm glad Berny has that extra set or I would be waiting for a month for a replacement from Revell/Monogram.  I took a look at the Testors stabs and they won't work.  They are noticeably thinner and would be very noticeable.  I normally keep them in the box until they are assembled but I had to take that one out t fill a small mold deformity, and it was drying on my desk in front of the small fan I use to dry things a bit more quickly.  Either the tape I used to tape in place let go or one of our cats got bored and thought it would be fun to play with.  Possibly both.

Rich

jimbot58

Sparrow, I'm glad you found that part. I hope it wasn't damaged too bad.

I appreciate all your comments on my bird. I couldn't build a SEA Phantom without the shark mouth. It would be like Sunday morning pancakes with no syrup! I didn't realize the decal was a bit too long until I had wet it and went to set it down on the plane. I don't know if the Hasegawa nose is too short, or the Italeri kit nose is too long. Perhaps the decal was incorrect, I don't know. It took some time to work it down, and here it is a good thing that the decal is a bit thick as it was easier work it into the curves without tearing. Eventually I got the front edge worked down to a point where it was flat and I could lay a fresh razor blade against the edge of the radome to trim the decal. I'm working up the nerve to do the other side....

As far as those broken parts on this kit alone: I have had to replace blade antennas, both pitot tubes, and now the fuel dump. The pitot tubes are now made of brass rods with tips filed down to a smaller diameter. Usually I break 3 or 4 of those before I get one I can use. The stabs broke those little pins off years ago when I originally assembled this kit and I had to drill out the edges of the stabs to accept a length of brass rod. This would have the potential to make them movable, but I can't as there is some glue damage from where they were attached before.

I would also mention the missing gear doors and their actuator arms that I am having to sub from the Italeri kit. They are a bit small so I would never be able to pose it in flight! I can get away with it on the ground as it is impossible to tell with the doors open

I so want to finish this kit that has been 20 years in the making!

Sparrow, I'm glad you found that part. I hope it wasn't damaged too bad.

I appreciate all your comments on my bird. I couldn't build a SEA Phantom without the shark mouth. It would be like Sunday morning pancakes with no syrup! I didn't realize the decal was a bit too long until I had wet it and went to set it down on the plane. I don't know if the Hasegawa nose is too short, or the Italeri kit nose is too long. Perhaps the decal was incorrect, I don't know. It took some time to work it down, and here it is a good thing that the decal is a bit thick as it was easier work it into the curves without tearing. Eventually I got the front edge worked down to a point where it was flat and I could lay a fresh razor blade against the edge of the radome to trim the decal. I'm working up the nerve to do the other side....

As far as those broken parts on this kit alone: I have had to replace blade antennas, both pitot tubes, and now the fuel dump. The pitot tubes are now made of brass rods with tips filed down to a smaller diameter. Usually I break 3 or 4 of those before I get one I can use. The stabs broke those little pins off years ago when I originally assembled this kit and I had to drill out the edges of the stabs to accept a length of brass rod. This would have the potential to make them movable, but I can't as there is some glue damage from where they were attached before.

I would also mention the missing gear doors and their actuator arms that I am having to sub from the Italeri kit. They are a bit small so I would never be able to pose it in flight! I can get away with it on the ground as it is impossible to tell with the doors open

I so want to finish this kit that has been 20 years in the making!

Hi Brian,

It's never too late to join! I'd be happy for new entries at any time up to December so long as there's a reasonable chance of completion. Just let me have the details of which kit in what scale and any other details (OOB or AMs, etc) and I'll update page 1.

Welcome aboard!

Cheers, M/TB379

Is it too late to join this build?  I'm new to the forums and new to building aircraft but am an avid F-4 enthusiast.

Just curious as to whether this build is still open to new builders or if it's closed for this year.

Well, I managed to save the fuselage.  It took a ton of sanding, but I have a semi decent basic fit between the fuselage and the wings now.  I should be able to finish it off with detail sanding and some putty and Zap a Gap.  Here are a few photos before I do the finish sanding and detailing.

Here is the trickiest section, the three way joint between the fuselage halves and the wing section.  The fuselage halves are actually joined up closely but I had to use CA to fill a large gap so you can't see the flush surface here between the fuselage halves.  I will be using more CA and Putty to close up the large seam at the front wing section joint.

Here is the other end before finish sanding and detail.  The side joins and the center frame mating.

Here is the starboard wing join which still needs filling and smoothing. (Pardon the fuzzy image)

Here is the cockpit section before I put in the new ejection loop handles and do some touch up.

And lastly here is the Port wing joint on top which is also awaiting filling and sanding.

Well.  That's it for now.  I'll post more as progress moves along.  I am starting to work on the landing gear now. So here we go...  Almost to the home stretch on assembly.

Rich

I just found it about 20 minutes ago.  The hard way (crunch).  Somehow it got under the edge of the rug and... well the rest is predictable.  I'm going to find out which of our idiot cats batted it under there and shave it bald, then tattoo "Moron" on it's forehead... I'd really appreciate that set.  Thanks Berny.

Rich

berny13

 

Sparrowhyperion:

 

I hit a snag with one of my Birds.  The portside (left) tailfin on my Monogram 1/48 F4C has gone missing and I can't find it anywhere so I am concentrating on the FGR2 until I can find it.  If I can't find it it's an email to Ravell or see if I can juryrig something using the tailfins from an old testors F4D I have in the closed that still has it's fins.

 

 

 

 

Let me know if you can't find the Horz Stab.  I have a set I can send you.

I hope so too.  The inner wall of the intakes are so thin where they meet the fuselage, that I know if I try to remove them, they will be ruined so I have to make it work somehow.

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Sparrowhyperion:

 

I hit a snag with one of my Birds.  The portside (left) tailfin on my Monogram 1/48 F4C has gone missing and I can't find it anywhere so I am concentrating on the FGR2 until I can find it.  If I can't find it it's an email to Ravell or see if I can juryrig something using the tailfins from an old testors F4D I have in the closed that still has it's fins.

The FGR2 is another matter entirely.  I have the body roughly back together after the great landing gear bay fiasco, but the wing assembly is not lining up right  with the new intakes.  Unfortunately there was no way to dry fit this until they were on and the fuselage assembled so I think I am going to be having more fun with putty.  I did order new fuselage halves from Hasegawa as well...  Just in case I can't get them to line up.  Although dis-assembly would not be easy if it got to that point.

 

 

Hi Rich,

Sorry to hear about the missing tailfin, hopefully it will turn up.  And I sympathize with you about the wings not lining up right with those new intakes.  You did such a nice job on the intakes, I hope you are able to correct it without much effort.

Ken

Sparrowhyperion

I hit a snag with one of my Birds.  The portside (left) tailfin on my Monogram 1/48 F4C has gone missing and I can't find it anywhere so I am concentrating on the FGR2 until I can find it.  If I can't find it it's an email to Ravell or see if I can juryrig something using the tailfins from an old testors F4D I have in the closed that still has it's fins.

 

 

Let me know if you can't find the Horz Stab.  I have a set I can send you.

Sparrowhyperion

I hit a snag with one of my Birds.  The portside (left) tailfin on my Monogram 1/48 F4C has gone missing and I can't find it anywhere so I am concentrating on the FGR2 until I can find it.  If I can't find it it's an email to Ravell or see if I can juryrig something using the tailfins from an old testors F4D I have in the closed that still has it's fins.

The FGR2 is another matter entirely.  I have the body roughly back together after the great landing gear bay fiasco, but the wing assembly is not lining up right  with the new intakes.  Unfortunately there was no way to dry fit this until they were on and the fuselage assembled so I think I am going to be having more fun with putty.  I did order new fuselage halves from Hasegawa as well...  Just in case I can't get them to line up.  Although dis-assembly would not be easy if it got to that point.

 

Hi Rich,

Sorry to hear about the missing tailfin, hopefully it will turn up.  And I sympathize with you about the wings not lining up right with those new intakes.  You did such a nice job on the intakes, I hope you are able to correct it without much effort.

Ken

Ish47guy

Those pitot tubes, man...  No matter how careful I am...   Another thing I hate about Hasegawa 48th F-4s are the stab mounting dimples.  Those little-a** dimples are way to small, with very little area for the glue to hold.  It seems those things will break if too much dust settle on the model while its sitting on the shelf.

Anyway, I finished both trunnion covers on the wings, & got the halves glued together.  Just need to fill & sand.  Also finished & painted the certerline tank.  I finally got the technique down where you use liquid glue on the seams, & use the squeeze out as filler.  Absolutely no visible seams after painting.

The scheme that I'm doing has colors that I've never used, either on an F-4, or at all, so I just put the parts on to get an idea what it going to look like.

I'm not going to use the 370 outbd tanks, so I filled in the holes with Evegreen .080" (2 mm for our metric friends) rod, which fit perfectly.  Dab liquid glue to soften the plastic to fill in the gaps, sand & done.

 

Hi Chris,

Nice job, just like you said, the seam is invisible.  I have yet to try my hand at blending the seams together.  I hope I can do as good of a job as yours!

Ken

Your build is coming along great.   The modification to the shark decal is not really noticeable unless you really know it's there when you look.  Nice Camo as well.

I hit a snag with one of my Birds.  The portside (left) tailfin on my Monogram 1/48 F4C has gone missing and I can't find it anywhere so I am concentrating on the FGR2 until I can find it.  If I can't find it it's an email to Ravell or see if I can juryrig something using the tailfins from an old testors F4D I have in the closed that still has it's fins.

The FGR2 is another matter entirely.  I have the body roughly back together after the great landing gear bay fiasco, but the wing assembly is not lining up right  with the new intakes.  Unfortunately there was no way to dry fit this until they were on and the fuselage assembled so I think I am going to be having more fun with putty.  I did order new fuselage halves from Hasegawa as well...  Just in case I can't get them to line up.  Although dis-assembly would not be easy if it got to that point.

jimbot58

Some ups and downs here: My 'Geasel' is acquiring a fierceness!

But not without a struggle: the sharkmouth was a bit of a pain as the Italeri decal was a bit thick and took time and lots of nursing it down with many applications of Micro-sol. Finally got it all settled down, but I also had to trim it as it didn't quite fit between the radome and the small inlet behind it. The other data decals are freshly applied and may still look a bit milky, but that will go away.

I also had a bit of a mishap with it: A miscue on my part sent it tumbling to the floor, where it landed tail first, snapping off the fuel dump! I searched for the broken piece but all I got was a crunch and a burp from the carpet monster! The part is nowhere to be found! I still have that old Italeri kit I robbed gear doors and decals from and the part looks usable, but will no doubt be a PITA to re-attach. I'm going to wait to do that as I still have lots of decals to do, metal finishes around the exhaust areas and so on, so lots of handling still to go with plenty of time for me to break it or something else off!

Those pitot tubes, man...  No matter how careful I am...   Another thing I hate about Hasegawa 48th F-4s are the stab mounting dimples.  Those little-a** dimples are way to small, with very little area for the glue to hold.  It seems those things will break if too much dust settle on the model while its sitting on the shelf.

Anyway, I finished both trunnion covers on the wings, & got the halves glued together.  Just need to fill & sand.  Also finished & painted the certerline tank.  I finally got the technique down where you use liquid glue on the seams, & use the squeeze out as filler.  Absolutely no visible seams after painting.

The scheme that I'm doing has colors that I've never used, either on an F-4, or at all, so I just put the parts on to get an idea what it going to look like.

I'm not going to use the 370 outbd tanks, so I filled in the holes with Evegreen .080" (2 mm for our metric friends) rod, which fit perfectly.  Dab liquid glue to soften the plastic to fill in the gaps, sand & done.

Nice job on the Geasel, Jimbot.  I usually don't have problems breaking of the fuel vent mast, I usually break off pitot tubes.  I have always liked the look of shark mouths on the F-4.  Our jets at Spangdahlm AB Germany had them as well as our jets from Eglin AFB when we deployed to Linebacker.

jimbot58

Some ups and downs here: My 'Geasel' is acquiring a fierceness!

But not without a struggle: the sharkmouth was a bit of a pain as the Italeri decal was a bit thick and took time and lots of nursing it down with many applications of Micro-sol. Finally got it all settled down, but I also had to trim it as it didn't quite fit between the radome and the small inlet behind it. The other data decals are freshly applied and may still look a bit milky, but that will go away.

I also had a bit of a mishap with it: A miscue on my part sent it tumbling to the floor, where it landed tail first, snapping off the fuel dump! I searched for the broken piece but all I got was a crunch and a burp from the carpet monster! The part is nowhere to be found! I still have that old Italeri kit I robbed gear doors and decals from and the part looks usable, but will no doubt be a PITA to re-attach. I'm going to wait to do that as I still have lots of decals to do, metal finishes around the exhaust areas and so on, so lots of handling still to go with plenty of time for me to break it or something else off!

Hi Jim,

That is a great job on the shark mouth.  Looks real nice!  I hope you are able to eventually find that fuel dump.

Ken

Jimbot -- looking good! it's been a battle but you've nearly won it! I know what you mean about the fuel dump, Fujimi and Hasegawa mold them in with the fuselage halves and I've snapped them off just about every kit in progress. I have most of them lying around...

M/TB379

Some ups and downs here: My 'Geasel' is acquiring a fierceness!

But not without a struggle: the sharkmouth was a bit of a pain as the Italeri decal was a bit thick and took time and lots of nursing it down with many applications of Micro-sol. Finally got it all settled down, but I also had to trim it as it didn't quite fit between the radome and the small inlet behind it. The other data decals are freshly applied and may still look a bit milky, but that will go away.

I also had a bit of a mishap with it: A miscue on my part sent it tumbling to the floor, where it landed tail first, snapping off the fuel dump! I searched for the broken piece but all I got was a crunch and a burp from the carpet monster! The part is nowhere to be found! I still have that old Italeri kit I robbed gear doors and decals from and the part looks usable, but will no doubt be a PITA to re-attach. I'm going to wait to do that as I still have lots of decals to do, metal finishes around the exhaust areas and so on, so lots of handling still to go with plenty of time for me to break it or something else off!

That's great.  I got lucky today too.  Aires sent me not one but 2 new PE trees for my Mk7 Martin Baker ejection seats so I can replace the bad loops that fell apart and redo a couple of the belts on them.  I am really liking Aires right now :)

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I received good news today.  Sprue Brothers has shipped another replacement cockpit today!  With any luck it will be here Friday and I will finally get back to building my F-4E.  I will use what I have learned so far and look forward to getting it done.

Ken