Falklands/Malvinas War 30th Anniversary GB

Bish

I am not 100% certain, but i think i have some Xtracolour Dark Sea grey. When i get to camp tomorrow, IF i have it, i will compare it to the RLM 75.

Egads! Started the google-research on DPM Camouflage...wish I hadn't! That's going to be tough to paint.

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Any idea if the colors in there have FS equivalents?

ye, it does look a bit awkward to paint, and thats even after having done SS camo. I would go for tamiya paints myself.

dupes

Egads! Started the google-research on DPM Camouflage...wish I hadn't! That's going to be tough to paint.

Wiki Pic

Any idea if the colors in there have FS equivalents?

I seem to remember some Japanes armour with that crazy polka-dot pattern in your past...  You're a glutton for punishment aren't you!

Bish, good to see you're still with us. Apparently that "end of the world" talk was a bit off.

Bish -- I thought I read somewhere the Sea Harriers were in Extra Dark Sea Grey, same as the RN Phantoms of the day... I was fixing to use Panzer Grey as a base for it, and tint as necessary to get something that looks close to photos... Would appreciate your evaluation too!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

Early developments on the Twin Otter:

 I made the gap between the cockpit and cabin load.

Open the air inlets of the engines.

Vance, sorry had hidden myself in the bunker cut off from the world. But seems there was no need. SOOOOO dissapointed.

Mike, modern British aircrfat are not really my area, especially when it comes to colours. Ask me what RLM schemes where worn in 1942 and i can help.  I can't find anything on line which says which colour they were. But Vance, i came across this which will hopefully help. You have to scroll down towards the bottom.  Gives you the FS equvalants and what Humbrol and tamiya paints which match them. And yep, tamiya XF-63 matches Extra Dark Sea Grey.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm

Mike, 63 is German Grey isn't it, its been a while since i seen my paints lol.

Azorean, great to see another kit started, some nice work so far, look forward to some more.

Bish -- thanks for confirming this, I figured it was probably a close match. Gunze 333 is said to be an exact match but not easy to get hold of. I've always felt EDSG had a blueish element, but that could be reflective, photos and artwork always seem to have that blue element but the pure paint in other lighting conditions lacks it.

Now checking my literature for which shade the Sea Harriers received overall, DSG or EDSG...

Cheers, M/TB379

A little scratch in the interior.

Great start Azorean

At the end successfull fitted the seat with the new scratched cockpit on the gr3, but some lateral ej seats was lost, not in picture but the rear cockpit bulkhead was removed.

on super etendard last works before to close fuselage

that's all

vance, i have checked my xtracolor paints, and RLM 75 looks just a tad lighter than DSG, so i reckon allowing for scale effect you could get away with. Of course that assuming you RLM 75 is the same as mine lol.

Mike, i ahve been checking some pics. Is the scheme you are thikning of white? undersides and EDSG? on top. I agree it deffinatly has a blue tint to it. But i think Vance may be doing an all over grey, which from looking at pics looks like the DSG i have. I have a pic of a Sea Harrier on Illustrious and the caption says 83. There is land in the background with lots of snow on it, which would put it a year after the war. The question is, when was the switch made from the two colour to one colour scheme.

Azorean, bsyamato, some great detailing there guys. Nice work.

Hi there guys,

Sorry to jump out late (I don´t know if already discuss this) with this but I haden´t time to be around the forum so much (either with the Etendard LOL)

The Pucara A-511 with the Mayor Tomba as a pilot, was shot down by the Sea Harrier XZ541, afer 3 runs of cannons fire. It charshed near Drone Hill.

Best regards

Jere

ps: guys, great advances so far with the projets!

dupes

Egads! Started the google-research on DPM Camouflage...wish I hadn't! That's going to be tough to paint.

Wiki Pic

Any idea if the colors in there have FS equivalents?

Thanks Jere, which led a google search that dug up a website I had not known of.

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=54687

BTW they have it as XZ451.

Trying to find a map of drone hill. Bishie I'll send it to you if I find it.

Hey Dupes!  Found what you need!  Go to Armorama.com.  Where they have a search box at the top of the page, type in the name David Blacker, have it search the Armorama site; a list of articles written by him will appear, click on the one about painting British and Pakistani uniforms in DPM.  It is excellent, with many in-progress photos that are about the best around for this pattern.  This should get you all you need!!  Good luck!!  

That is SPECTACULAR! Man, I feel like I should just send my whole project your way and let you wrap it up for me... Talk about a comprehensive tutorial. Wow.

Should have my new card reader in the next day or two - want to get a pic of the one bloke that I'd really like to use from the Cromwell set if his helmet looks right...if I can keep from shelling out $25+ with shipping from Accurate Armour, that would be best! That, and if I order the figs, I'll want to order the fire extinguishers, and if I'm getting them, I'll want to get the resin track set...see where I'm headed with this? Heh.

dupes, does the helmit have bulgded sides to fit a headset underneath. If so this is a standard AFV crew helmit and should be fine. Love these things. Warrior crews don't get issued them but i was lucky enough to have one that i wore all the time when i was driving.

bondo, i would appreciate that. The name rings a bell but i am not sure where it is.

jetmoderler is looking at starting a Harrier GB and cross overs are allowed. He is looking at getting Harriers in all their guises and is looking at starting once it gets enough interest. DSo if any of you guys building Harriers fancy earning another GB badge for you build, take a look. Hopefully others will join in with none British aircraft.

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Azorean - looking like a great start on the Twin Otter. (This is what I'm liking about this Falklands theme - where else are you going to see Harriers & Super Etandards, Twin Otters & lightweight British armour all under one roof!?)

Bish - Grauviolett / dark sea gray looked pretty close to me too, if it's looking close on your end as well I think I'm safe enough. I've really got to get some of the older paint in my reserves used up, this will certainly help! I plan on a wash as well, so I think it'll be do-able.

bsyamato - I really like what you've done with the seatbelt buckles! Where did you get the copper wire? Do you plan on flattening it any or do you use it as it appears now? (Great work on the entire seat as well)

VanceCrozier

bsyamato - I really like what you've done with the seatbelt buckles! Where did you get the copper wire? Do you plan on flattening it any or do you use it as it appears now? (Great work on the entire seat as well)

i'm plenty of copper wires , my beloved father was an electrician, lots of hanks and spared wires remained.

Plus my used guitar string are used in lots way. Wires and wood are the only thing that don't need payed

Lots of thing as old computers or appliances is a good resource to get good stratch material. 

neved try to flatten it, you give me a great idea Actually on the sue seat is no more possible, already glued on.

Actually working on sue to soon close the fuselage.

Vance, i assume the sheme you are doing is the all over grey and not the grey? on top and white undersides.

Yep, anything I've seen referring to Falklands War Sea Harriers has been all-over gray, including the Airfix instructions for what that's worth. (Although the earlier two-tone scheme is pretty sharp as well, may have to pick up another one of these!)

Bish -- further to the paint question for the Sea Harriers, here's what I turned up. I checked out Harrier: Ski-jump to Victory (Brassey, 1983) Ed. John Godden, and found this passage in Cmdr Tim Gedge's essay (p41), with regard to the rapid preparations for the South Atlantic:

"...we brought in an expert from Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, who had investigated the typical weather conditions of the Falklands at that time of year and advised us to paint the aircraft in a colour that would blend with that part of the world, light grey. It is interesting to note that the final colour adopted by the Fleet Air Arm for their Sea Harriers after the Falklands campaign is slightly darker than the one we chose and a slightly lighter grey than the one they painted the aircraft while going south in the carriers."

Reading that last sentence carefully seems to indicate that the planes were quickly resprayed in the darkest of the available shades, which, if I remember correctly was the standard topside shade at the time, and which was simply wrapped around the white undersides, plus the white codes and serials were also painted over. This logic suggests EDSG is the right choice, and the indications are indeed that Tamiya XF-63 German Grey is probably the closest off the shelf match if Gunze 333 is unavailable (while bearing in mind the niggling impression of a blue component to the hue...) On lustre, photos do not seem to show the Sea Harriers as absolutely dead flat, but it is counter-intuitive that they would be finished in anything much brighter to go to war, so a low satin would seem the reasonable compromise...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

It is also interesting that he notes the colour applied after the Falklands being slightly lighter than the one applied on the way South. This i think would suggest that after the war they were re-painted possably DSG, hence explaining the DSG Harrier i have a pick of from 83. But it would make sense that in the haiste of preparation, they would have used what was to hand, namely EDSG. And it would be easy for Airfix to get this confused as the after way re-paint would have been more formalised with a new type of paint.

I think this leaves Vance with the option of EDSG for a war time aircraft and DSG for post war.

Some update on sue

Complete front well

glued with some reinforce on fuselage

main fuselage on

also opened air intakes

more glue and tape

putty needed

and with my great surprise cannon are on a side very lightly mentioned and on other side totally without

need to be drilled and i fear this will not so simlple.

but for now that's all

bsyamato

Some update on sue

Complete front well

glued with some reinforce on fuselage

main fuselage on

also opened air intakes

more glue and tape

putty needed

and with my great surprise cannon are on a side very lightly mentioned and on other side totally without

need to be drilled and i fear this will not so simlple.

but for now that's all

 

 

 

 

Great progress on that SUE my friend! it´nice to see it progress. I by the other hand made very few advances on mine, I hope to post something this weekend.

I just see that you use Humbrol enamels, the 125 with a few drops of blue will be almost an exact match to the Argentinian planes.

Did you get th aftermarkt decals? remeber that the kit decals are totally wrong.

If you plan to mount the exocet missile, be aware (when you drill for he cannons) that you don´t need to put the cannon brels becase those were removed when a exocet was mounted.

best regards

Jere

Bish

It is also interesting that he notes the colour applied after the Falklands being slightly lighter than the one applied on the way South. This i think would suggest that after the war they were re-painted possably DSG, hence explaining the DSG Harrier i have a pick of from 83. But it would make sense that in the haiste of preparation, they would have used what was to hand, namely EDSG. And it would be easy for Airfix to get this confused as the after way re-paint would have been more formalised with a new type of paint.

I think this leaves Vance with the option of EDSG for a war time aircraft and DSG for post war.

bsyamato  nice progress, that is coming on nicely.

bondo, that would make sense, as i said before, i am guessing the aircraft sent down for the campaign were hastyly painted all over EDSG but after that they switched to DSG.

Just found out it doesn't look like i will be deploying to the Falklands again. In fact looks like my last trip was my last ever deployment. Bit of a double edged sword, but means means i will have more chance to gte some models done. Though that has sort of been cancelled out by me now having my right hand in plaster for upto 8 weeks, so thats set me back a bit. So probably won't get started on my Chinook till Oct ish.

Bish

bsyamato  nice progress, that is coming on nicely.

bondo, that would make sense, as i said before, i am guessing the aircraft sent down for the campaign were hastyly painted all over EDSG but after that they switched to DSG.

Just found out it doesn't look like i will be deploying to the Falklands again. In fact looks like my last trip was my last ever deployment. Bit of a double edged sword, but means means i will have more chance to gte some models done. Though that has sort of been cancelled out by me now having my right hand in plaster for upto 8 weeks, so thats set me back a bit. So probably won't get started on my Chinook till Oct ish.

No more deployments... hand in a cast... You decked one of your superiors didn't you?!