Monogram Mafia Group Build

troublemaker66

stikpusher:

Pro Modeler also did some of the older kits: B-25J, Do-335, P-39Q and completely revamped the classic P-51B. Some of their kits were dressed up issues of new R/M kits done after the merger: B-26B, Ta-154, Bf-110G, Me-410, F-84G, Ju-52, PBY-5A, F-15E, Hunter FGA, and SB2C.

 

Stik-

  So the Promodeler P-51 B/C is good to go? How `bout the He-111 H 4/6?

No.. The "H" model of the He 111 is out, as is the ProModeler AND current Revell P-51B.

The F-84G is like the F-15E, Ju-52, SB2C, PBY-5A and Do-217. All those are modern new tooled, post merger (1986) releases.

The P-51B rehash is a step child with the kit being updated in the early post merger.

I forgot about two other ProModeler kits: P-38F/G/H-ex Hasegawa, and P-40E,ex Revell.

stikpusher

Pro Modeler also did some of the older kits: B-25J, Do-335, P-39Q and completely revamped the classic P-51B. Some of their kits were dressed up issues of new R/M kits done after the merger: B-26B, Ta-154, Bf-110G, Me-410, F-84G, Ju-52, PBY-5A, F-15E, Hunter FGA, and SB2C.

  So the Promodeler P-51 B/C is good to go? How `bout the He-111 H 4/6?

stikpusher

Pro Modeler also did some of the older kits: B-25J, Do-335, P-39Q and completely revamped the classic P-51B. Some of their kits were dressed up issues of new R/M kits done after the merger: B-26B, Ta-154, Bf-110G, F-84G, Ju-52, PBY-5A, F-15E, Hunter FGA, and SB2C.

P-51B  "Ding Hao"- AJ*A flown by Jim Howard release, -GO.

P-51B from current Revell or ProModeler,- NO GO.

B-24D- GO

F-15E -NO GO (It's an ex-Revell kit)

Bf 110G, -NO GO (ex-Revell Kit. Only Me 110 kit Mongram ever made was the 1/72 scale Zerstorer)

F-4E, -NO GO

SB2C, -NO GO

Ju-52, -NO GO (Never released as a Monogram-molded kit, was first released post-R/M merger)

Do-217, -NO GO (Ex-Revell)

B-25J, -GO

Do-335, -GO

F-84F  -GO

F-84G  -NO GO

PBY 5A , -NO GO

PBY5A/OA-10A, -NO GO

1/104 (Box Scale) PBY -GO

EA-6B Prowler- NO GO

There's likely to be more, so stay tuned...

BTW, let's try to KISS the build..

The whole purpose of the build is to take the old Monogram stand-bys, with their raised panel lines, the lack of cockpits, "operating features",and the dime-thin wheels, "warts & all" you can say,  and show what can be done with these classic  kits...  It's not for doing  "Tamigawa" shake & bakes...  We want to show the rest of the community that you don't need a 50.00 kit to be a good modeler, but rather to show that all you need is some basic modeling skill, some sheet, strip, and sprue, and about 12-16.00 dollars to build a beautiful model..

Pro Modeler also did some of the older kits: B-25J, Do-335, P-39Q and completely revamped the classic P-51B. Some of their kits were dressed up issues of new R/M kits done after the merger: B-26B, Ta-154, Bf-110G, Me-410, F-84G, Ju-52, PBY-5A, F-15E, Hunter FGA, and SB2C.

UPDATE:

ProModeler kits like the JU-87B, F-4E, A-4E/F, FW-190G2/3, Ju-88, Bf-109G2 are straight up imports from Hasegawa and Dragon.

Ok.. The ONLY Stuka kits allowed are the Ju-87G-1 or Ju 87D.. The D is a re-tolling of the G-1, which means, visually,  it's got a bomb-load in place of the 3.7cm PaKs

Goes for the following too...

F-4J is ok

Fw 190 A, same

Me 109E

The list of Monogram kits of the "NO-GO"  A-4 Skyhawks are here: http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php

I can't find anything anywhere that says that Monogram built any of the Skyhawk molds...

Yeah, I'm finding out more and more about the ProModelers, Stik.. I never bought any of them, except for the B-17 and B-24...

B-17 Guy asked about them, and I'm of a mindset to eliminate any ProModeler kit that wasn't initially molded in the 60's and  70's by Monogram...  Which means the Fort and Lib would be the only kosher PM kits, I think...

At any rate, let's get this thing Hammered out ASAP (pun intended) before we go any farther with PM kits...

Monogram's F-111A is another of those ex Aurora molds. Like the A-7 it came into the family, was dressed up a bit, (cockpit detail and wheel wells added) then released under the Monogram label. Just like all the WWI fighters: Camel, SE-5, Albatross, Nieuport, Dr.I, D.VII...

ProModeler kits like the JU-87B, F-4E, A-4E/F, FW-190G2/3, Ju-88, Bf-109G2 are straight up imports from Hasegawa and Dragon.

Hans von Hammer

Sorry, Don Hammer, with all due respetto, but the Fokker can never be a made Monogram Mafia kit.  It's originally Aurora's kit.  It came into Monogram's "thing" when Monogram rubbed Aurora out and took over their territory.  Same goes for the SE 5a and the Corsair II.

No, don't worry about any Protection Programs, Baron...  You're absolutely right about the three Monogram WW1 kits (D VII, Camel, SE-5A, and, for that matter, the Revell Germany Fokker Dr1) being ex-Aurora kits, and I knew that...  It falls the same way the 1/32 ProModeler Bf 109G (which is ex-Hasegawa) does.. I need to check on the A-7 though...

You keep right on doing what you do... Oh, and feel free to edit the Fokker box outta the reply you made.. took care of that on my end..

BTW... I'll stop by later... Thought we'd go fishing...

 

Ok, Baron.. Did some checking and the 1979 "White-Box" release of the A-7 is indeed an Ex-Aurora kit, at least according "Modeling MadnessDOT com" 's review of it...  

Good catch... Not being a "Jet guy", I need to check a little harder, lol.. Shoulda suspected it, since their never was a 60's release of it, nor did they ever do a real "box-art" type of release in the 80s..

EDIT:  Upon further reviews, and a took jog around the net, it appears that Monogram retooled the molds for the Aurora A-7A Corsair II, but the A-7E, boxed as a Revell kit, isn't Aurora's kit, but rather an ex-Hasegawa mold..  Doesn't change anything though.. Both versions are ineligible..

Sorry, Don Hammer, with all due respetto, but the Fokker can never be a made Monogram Mafia kit.  It's originally Aurora's kit.  It came into Monogram's "thing" when Monogram rubbed Aurora out and took over their territory.  Same goes for the SE 5a and the Corsair II.

No, don't worry about any Protection Programs, Baron...  You're absolutely right about the three Monogram WW1 kits (D VII, Camel, SE-5A, and, for that matter, the Revell Germany Fokker Dr1) being ex-Aurora kits, and I knew that...  It falls the same way the 1/32 ProModeler Bf 109G (which is ex-Hasegawa) does.. I need to check on the A-7 though...

You keep right on doing what you do... Oh, and feel free to edit the Fokker box outta the reply you made.. took care of that on my end..

BTW... I'll stop by later... Thought we'd go fishing...

Sparrowhyperion

Well Hmmm.. How about these two Hans?

I don't have a lot of older kits.  If these don't qualify, then I do have my ancient B25J kit and an old Hawker Hurricane, both in 1/48.  Let me know if these will do. 

Thanks

Rich

Yeah, those'll do fine, Rich...

What a great idea!

It bums me out, though. I could have joined this build had I not lost my stash. I am broke as a joke so I'll just have to settle with following the thread.

Looking forward to seeing all the completed kits.

oooh !! ooh !! I'm in... gota puruse the "stash".. maybe ebay for a "find"... !!!

I'll send a guy over I know to give ya my choices...

Oh, and please count me in, with the SBD done as an A-24, Philipines, December 1941, and the TBF done as a FAA Tarpon.

Grazie!

Brad aka Al "Da Tooth" Dente

Hans von Hammer

Finally decided...

Mk IX Spitfire and Fokker D VII

Sorry, Don Hammer, with all due respetto, but the Fokker can never be a made Monogram Mafia kit.  It's originally Aurora's kit.  It came into Monogram's "thing" when Monogram rubbed Aurora out and took over their territory.  Same goes for the SE 5a and the Corsair II.

Looks like I'll have to go into the Revell Protection program now, for talking to our Don this way...

Well Hmmm.. How about these two Hans?

I don't have a lot of older kits.  If these don't qualify, then I do have my ancient B25J kit and an old Hawker Hurricane, both in 1/48.  Let me know if these will do. 

Thanks

Rich

Here is my Kingfisher and Stuka anyway.  And I may do a T-6 as well.  All in 1/48 of course.

Don Hammerleoni,

I would like to have your permission to build the 1973 boxing of the Hurricane and the dreaded F-80C Shooting Star with removeable tail...I know that you are a busy man so I will await your answer...

Put me down for the TBD-1 Devastator and P-51D. Photos to follow. By the way last count I had 42 completed Monogram sitting on display. When can I display the badge?

HvH,

 Thanks for that direct reply and of course I was ribbing you on the typo. But the coffee "explanation" or even "bleary eyes" will work from you as far as I'm concerned.

 I did go through the stash and having grown up back when Monogram was Monogram and Revell didn't enter into the equation I confirmed my suspicions about a confusing lack of A/C (not that I don't have em, just not ones I'd chose to build now) and virtually nothing else military wise. I then fell back and realized I have plenty of autos. So I'll narrow that down and they do include the repop Rommel's Rod and Red Baron. But I'll get back when the choices are made.

Thanks.

Hans - does this one work?

Also, how about the 1:48 Monogram EA-6B?

Ken

One question, do we have to name or start both kits prior to March 31, or is a start on one sufficient. I'm a one kit at a time kind of guy usually.

Tony, you can name & start now with one kit and "TBA" the other until 31 March.  You have to have both named NLT 31 March...

kustommodeler1

OK, Hans count me in with a Monogram f-15C Eagle in 1/48 scale, and a Monogram 1/24 scale Corvette ZR-1.

 

BigSmitty I'm doing the same kit you are, but my scanner's broke..... Don't know how quite to get a set to you..... Maybe Revell still has printed copies on hand even if they arent on the website.

I found the Mi-24 instructions on the website.  I think I have a lead on the -15C instructions as well.  I did get the F-15D/E instructions off the Revell website, and I'll see how the parts match up outside the cockpit and fuselage halves.

OK, Hans count me in with a Monogram f-15C Eagle in 1/48 scale, and a Monogram 1/24 scale Corvette ZR-1.

BigSmitty I'm doing the same kit you are, but my scanner's broke..... Don't know how quite to get a set to you..... Maybe Revell still has printed copies on hand even if they arent on the website.

Well, I'll go for the old Zero kit with the retractable landing gear and maybe add the Vietnamese Armed Junk (that'll be done as a civilian vessel for my wife).

Mike T.

Sorry, but I hadda get it.

$ 18.15 on Amazon inc. shipping. Might not get to it for this GB, but who knows...

How can I resist a challenge like this. Actually, I like these 'challenge' GBs, Weekend Madness, Monogram Mafia etc.

Somebody has got to do a car, so I'll chip in with their 1/24 Triumph TR-7. Photo to come when I get home from work tonight. From memory the car is yellow on the box top.

I'll reserve judgment on the 2nd choice, it will depend on whether I'm feeling carish or aircraftish at the time.

It will probably be sometime in March that I make a start. One question, do we have to name or start both kits prior to March 31, or is a start on one sufficient. I'm a one kit at a time kind of guy usually.

Thanks for firing this up Hans, it's a great idea.

Cheers

Tony

Instructions for the Hind D here:

http://www.revell.com/model-kits/aircraft/85-5856.html

I'm in, as long as I can find the instruction sheets for the two kits below.  The boxes have NOT weathered the past 20+ years very well, I'm afraid.  I will also have to go with aftermarket decals, as neither kit has the decals originally provided.

Kit #1, 1987 original boxing:

Kit #2, 1990 original boxing:

Should be fun, will be getting started on these sometime in the next couple of weeks, at the latest prior to the 31 March final start date.