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The OFFICIAL Panzer III and Its Variants GB

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:01 AM

Bill, I'm going insane just watching your work. Indifferent Whoa Nelly.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Hinksy on Thursday, September 1, 2011 5:13 AM

Shellback

Ben , glad you like the box . Beer

Question , would the storage box be painted the same as the vehicle or left in its natural wood ? I've seen photo's where the box's look painted and in others i cant distinguish if its painted or not because of the black and white photo .

Hey Shellback,

The box is top notch buddie and I still want it - don't make me come over there! Wink

I was wondering - what thickness sheet did you use as it looks about perfect imo?

As for the painting - I'm up for a wooden paint colour. Adds a nice bit of contrast Yes

Cheers matey,

Ben Toast

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 10:08 AM

Carl,,  thank you kindly!

Andy,,  glad the meds helped.... and glad you like.        Thanks           Yes, back to normal after Irene,,, very minimal damage, espcially compared to many others.

Eric,,  insane is right. This little build is a true test of patience.

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:57 AM

Hinksy

 Shellback:

Ben , glad you like the box . Beer

Question , would the storage box be painted the same as the vehicle or left in its natural wood ? I've seen photo's where the box's look painted and in others i cant distinguish if its painted or not because of the black and white photo .

 

Hey Shellback,

The box is top notch buddie and I still want it - don't make me come over there! Wink

I was wondering - what thickness sheet did you use as it looks about perfect imo?

As for the painting - I'm up for a wooden paint colour. Adds a nice bit of contrast Yes

Cheers matey,

Ben Toast

Ben , thanks again . If you come over i'll build you a box !Yes The following picture should help . Beer

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Posted by Hinksy on Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:57 PM

Thanks Shellback - brilliant Yes

I assume you just used the .020 rod to mimic rivet/bolt heads by cutting tiny pieces off and shaping them?

Out of interest how big have you made this box? Don't worry, I'm not going to blatantly copy it (I'm not that good) but was just wondering?

Many thanks,

Ben Toast

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:05 PM

Hinksy

Thanks Shellback - brilliant Yes

I assume you just used the .020 rod to mimic rivet/bolt heads by cutting tiny pieces off and shaping them?

Out of interest how big have you made this box? Don't worry, I'm not going to blatantly copy it (I'm not that good) but was just wondering?

Many thanks,

Ben Toast

Ben , i drilled a .021" hole , #75 drill bit , inserted and glued the .020" rod . When the glue was cured i cut off the rod with sprue nippers at the appropriate height and sanded the end straight . Thats the best way i found to get all of the heads the same height .

Go ahead a use my dimensions to build yours . I'd actually like that i was able to help out .Beer

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Posted by ogrejohn on Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:13 PM

That's some great scratch building on the box Carl!

 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:46 PM

Hey John thanks .Beer

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Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 7:26 PM

Carl,,,       that box is tops...   great job                    Going to use some of your tips for future work. I really like the idea of drilling / inserting and cutting off all but the tip,,  very clever!

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:15 PM

CARL - Yes the Turpenoid is oderless.  I like this stuff because it's easy on the enamel paints, being thats what I use.  Everywhere I read, people use gloss coats or future before washing and weathering, I prefer to use dull coats to seal with.  This Weber Turpenoid (blue can!) does not harm the dull coat or paint as long as you do light coats of wash / weathering at a time and as long as you let the dull coat cure overnight.

The barrel is gunmetal and that is the color it will remain.  Was trying to find something to stand out on this build (markings, paint, etc.) but there was not much to choose from.  There were some of course but most of the late war STUGS were solid Dunkelgelb or even a solid primer.  Many had no markings at all.  So doing a gunmetal barrel gave it a little character and is suppose to represent a replacement barrel.  Once barrels were replaced it was often left to the crew to paint, if they did.

Have seen boxes both wood and painted.  Think have seen more pics with the boxes painted though.  Really think it depends on how you want it, no right or wrong way.  Imagine they painted them to help protect and preserve the wood.  My favorite I've seen done was by PVT MUTT (Tony).  He first used oil paints to make the wood effect then carefully masked areas and painted the base color.  After he removed the mask it looked like chipped / worn off paint with the wood showing through.  It was in the "Marder Madness" that he did this.

ANDY - Your barrel mad!!  They are nice to have.  Will have to try the Mona Lisa thinner one day.  Have seen it in the store just havent picked any up yet.  When do we get to see you get started?

ERIC - The glossy effect is from the heavy oil in the paint.  Depending on the kind/ brand of paint has some effect on the shininess of the finish.  More than anything is the humidity and temp that effects how it cures.  If it is still real shinny or sticky you just have to let it dry more.  Down here in Texas it normally takes 2-3 days but this last month because its hotter and drier than hell, it dries flat overnight.  When I lived up north it could take a week to dry.  You have to be careful spraying a sealing coat (dull coat) on until it is dry.  Sometimes if not dry can cause different things to happen other times it works fine.

SATCH - Your III is coming along nicely!  Have built small sections as you are doing and have made the whole track as Bin has explained.  Often find it easier to build the whole track but it does depend on the susspension and fender clearance.  I built my tracks in one piece for the STUG.  Many times I build the whole track but leave two glue joints, a top section and a bottom section of track.  Do this if it makes it easier to fit back onto the susspension.

BRIAN - She's looking really good with the primer on.  All the PE really was well done and left no flaws.  Nice job Yes  Like the colors and texture of the base.  Looks like a lot of drybrushing.

BILL - The MG ball mount is Sweet!  The screens will help tremendously on the rear deck.  Look forward for the color.  Did you ever say how you were going to paint it?

Rob

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Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:22 PM

Rob,,   Thanks kindly..          I may add a few more minor details to the deck,,, not exactly sure yet though. A few ideas are floating betwixt me ears....         I am probably going to go with pz yellow and add some basic camo.     The real fun will be composing a small diorama for the tank and the previously shown Schwimmwagen.         I have a plan for this part of the build which I hope all will enjoy!

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:27 PM

Bill, did you have any thoughts of trying to add a wire rope to the rear deck?  That would be a common feature.  For your diorama you were back and forth with the 37mm and figures were hey going to take part?  So many questions......

Rob

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Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:38 PM

Rob,,  had thought of the wire / rope for the rear which in itself would not be hard to duplicate... the problem would be making the connecting "ends"....  that would be a spot of bother for sure.      Still undecided... I may add some stores to the back for a little character. That would probably negate the need to scratchbuild the wire / rope.

Not sure on the 37mm but, there will be some figures for sure....  I may incorporate some water into the diorama.    I'm mulling over a couple of interesting ideas

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by ogrejohn on Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:38 PM

Carl, if you want to paint the stowage box, Hans says to do the hairspray thing!

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Posted by BaBill212 on Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:42 PM

Hi John,,,,,,,  (jumpin in here),,,         I've tried the hairspray technique and had no luck   (tried once, to be honest)....           can you give me a brief description of your successful method?

Thanks

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:19 PM

Bill , thanks . I used ProWeld to glue the rods since it cures faster , but use sparingly or it will almost melt the .020 .

Rob , i like the look of the unpaunted barrel . I did a Tiger 1 with the barrel painted only in primer and that looked cool also .I agree about the box more in likely being painted . I've seen some with marking on them .Sounds like the blus can is a must . I have a can of oderless turpenoid but its not blue ...............do i dare try it ? Hmm

John , and Hans , thanks for the hair spray tip . I'm going to try yo weather the box by letting the wood show through in area's of wear .

thanks all !Beer

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Posted by ogrejohn on Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:22 PM

Bill, The only model I've done it on was this Tamiya T34. Mainly because if I screwed it up I wouldn't have much invested in it.

The wooden looking thing in the previous post was done pretty much the same. I took a piece of styrene and scribed in some grooves for boards and some wood grain. I brush painted it in various acrylic browns and a bit of dark gray. I helped speed up the drying by using a hairdryer.

Then I sprayed on some hairspray, TRESemme, with a couple of coats drying each in between with the hairdryer.

I airbrushed on some Tamiya Medium Blue and let that dry about 15 minutes.

Brush on some water on the surface and let that sit a bit then use a short bristle brush and go to work. Sometimes it comes off in bigger chunks.

You just got to play around with it some. A lot of it depends on how thick the hairspray coat is and how much paint you put on. I don't remember for sure but I don't think it took much more than an hour to do the whole process from start to finish on this little project. Hans is a figure I picked up that was in a blister pack already painted up. I used to put him in all my WIPs just for fun.

I'm really thinking about trying to do the hairspray whitewash on my Sturm I'm working on. Like I said, I've only done it on the T34 above.

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:25 PM

I really like the effect that you got John . Looks very authentic . Thanks for explaining the method , i had no idea about the water soaking .YesBeer

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Posted by ogrejohn on Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:28 PM

Shellback

Bill , thanks . I used ProWeld to glue the rods since it cures faster , but use sparingly or it will almost melt the .020 .

Rob , i like the look of the unpaunted barrel . I did a Tiger 1 with the barrel painted only in primer and that looked cool also .I agree about the box more in likely being painted . I've seen some with marking on them .Sounds like the blus can is a must . I have a can of oderless turpenoid but its not blue ...............do i dare try it ? Hmm

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John , and Hans , thanks for the hair spray tip . I'm going to try yo weather the box by letting the wood show through in area's of wear .

thanks all !Beer

Carl, if the Turpenoid is in a green can, DON'T use it. Only use the stuff in the blue can or with a blue label. I heard of some bad stories with the green can stuff. I have no idea what the difference is but I only use the blue stuff. It work really good.

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:43 PM

Carl, John is right DONT USE THE GREEN CAN!!!  I used it once and EVERYTHING turned into a big gooey mess!  Dont think it ever dried and could find no way of fixing it.  Threw the piece working on and the green can in the trash.  BLUE can works great.

Like your Tiger barrel.  I too like the unpainted barrel look.

John thanks for explaining your hairspray method.  Nice result.  Still have not tried it myself, one day would like to.  Have read that the hairspray does not work very well with enamels.  Do you know if that is true?

Rob

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:52 PM

Thanks John and Rob . I'll definitley make sure its blue ! Green can sounds like some disgusting stuff .Dead

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, September 2, 2011 3:16 AM

Slow progress the past few days with Friuls and tools and such...I've got a start on the drybrushing, but tonight's big news was the first official friul test fit!

These things always look so cool plain that I'm half-tempted to just leave them as is!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by ogrejohn on Friday, September 2, 2011 6:27 AM

Rob, I think the method lends itself better to acrylics than enamels. The key is to get through the top coat with the water to the hairspray layer. As the hairspray dissolves it takes the top coat off in places. I've never heard of anyone trying to do it with enamels for the top coat though I'm not going to say it's impossible. Just more difficult. I might have just gotten lucky when I did the hairspray on the T34 as I've read that a lot of people have trouble with it the first time. I think it turned out OK but I'd there are some things I don't like about it. I just jumped in an did it so I'm no old pro at doing this. Now Scratchmod (Rob) does it a lot, I think, in combination with the salt method for some fantastic results.

Doogs, those friuls sure look great!

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Posted by BaBill212 on Friday, September 2, 2011 7:43 AM

John,,  thanks for the great info....  I will have to try that method again.

 

Doogs,,,   the tracks are looking sweet

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, September 2, 2011 9:34 AM

Rob- I hope to jump in my own GB in few weeks.  Trying to finish my 90% completed Panzer IV Ausf H.  I think you have seen my post in armor earlier.  Tracks have been painted.  Dry transfers from Archer has arrived and I am looking forward to try those transfers for the first time soon. 

John- Thanks for the great toot on hairspray technique! Beer  This is what I am going to try on my next build StuG III Ausf F/8.

Doogs-  I agree!  Leave those tracks alone... I like 'em already. Big Smile  You have been on a roll!  When do you start your new job?

Guys- I am taking my family out camping for the whole weekend and I will not have access to internet of course.  So you will not be hearing from me until Monday or so.  Try to be good... Yes

 

 

Andy

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Posted by satch_ip on Friday, September 2, 2011 10:33 AM

I present to you a Panzer III F of 8/Pz. Rgt 4, 13th Pz. Div., near Mozdok Russia, late summer/early fall 1942.

Crew figures are in place but not finished.  I need more practice with figures...

Here, I added the smoke candle chains.

I have been persuaded to take this to Austin on the 24th this month, so if you want to see it in person come to Austin, TX.  Fire away guys.

Satch

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, September 2, 2011 10:40 AM

Satch , very nicely done ! The weathering is spot on .Yes

Andy , Goodbye ! Beer

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Posted by AceHawkDriver on Friday, September 2, 2011 10:57 AM

Carl:  The box looks great!  Excellent scratchwork!

Satch:  Looks good!  Nice addition with the chains.

Andy:  You sure know how to pick a weekend for camping!  It's gonna be way to hot and humid to be outside for me! 

Peace through superior firepower.

Brian

        

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Posted by satch_ip on Friday, September 2, 2011 11:16 AM

Sorry about some of the photos.  I'm using my Iphone.

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, September 2, 2011 11:39 AM

Bill- Thanks! Beer  Packing plenty of Beer to help me stay cool...

Satch- I echo other comments... looking real good!  I believe you are using same figures I plan to use on my Pz III Ausf E as my second build.  Big Smile

Brian- Speaking of the heat and humid, four families have reached an agreement that we will leave for camping tomorrow morning instead of today so we don't have to put up with this for two days in a row.  Weather is supposed to be alot cooler and nicer on Sunday and Monday.  Feel free to join us at Clifty Falls State Park just outside Madison... Big Smile

So I get to fondle my models tonight... did anybody ever use one of those Archer Dry Transfers?  It will be my first attempt on Zimmed Pz IV... Tongue Tied

Andy

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