ARMOR - Towed Gun Group Build (ends 7/1/04)

QUOTE: Originally posted by MartianGundamModeler Just got me a Quad Gun Tractor and 25 pounder! Can I play?LOL What other colors aside from OD and desert did these things come in? I have always wanted this vehicle because it's design is so unique. All the ones I've ever seen build are either OD or desert and I'd like to do something original. I might do it in desert sand coupled with my Italeri SAS jeep. Since it's unpainted I could do it in desert sand as well. So many possibilities!

The britts also used pink and blue as camo colors for desert vehicles.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Larry_Dunn QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman Thanks Muzzleflash. How do there kits stand up? I saw a Russian 100mm that was very inexpensive. I'm apprehensive, since I haven't built anything of theirs. Tiger, the ICM 100mm is one of the most raved-about kits in terms of minute detail. It has lots of little parts. I haven't built it myself, so I can't give you my perspective on how smooth a build it is, but I've seen it built up, and it is lovely.

The 76mm looks like it has better detail than the 45mm overall. I can see text imprinted on the tires on the 76mm but no lettering on the 45mm wheels. That's the only difference in printed detail that I could see. The instructions are different too, the 76mm looks like it could recoil and move around, the 45mm looks more static but i'll find out when we start...

when do we start anyway.... i think some of you have already started

Thanks Larry, I remember seeing the mentioned combo with the truck.

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman Thanks Muzzleflash. How do there kits stand up? I saw a Russian 100mm that was very inexpensive. I'm apprehensive, since I haven't built anything of theirs.

Tiger, the ICM 100mm is one of the most raved-about kits in terms of minute detail. It has lots of little parts. I haven't built it myself, so I can't give you my perspective on how smooth a build it is, but I've seen it built up, and it is lovely.

It's also offered paired with a Russian truck, with Serb decals for the latest series of Balkan wars (Russian weapons systems keep going, and going, and ...). It was my desire to turn to that kit that led me to suggest this group build, though I then realized that the D-Day anniversary was coming up, which put me on a different track.

Just got me a Quad Gun Tractor and 25 pounder! Can I play?LOL
What other colors aside from OD and desert did these things come in? I have always wanted this vehicle because it's design is so unique. All the ones I've ever seen build are either OD or desert and I'd like to do something original. I might do it in desert sand coupled with my Italeri SAS jeep. Since it's unpainted I could do it in desert sand as well. So many possibilities!

Thanks Muzzleflash. How do there kits stand up? I saw a Russian 100mm that was very inexpensive. I'm apprehensive, since I haven't built anything of theirs.

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman Muzzleflash, that sounds cool. Who makes the 45mm?

ICM for the 45mm, the 76mm is Zveda.

Thanks Larry, I thought it might have. My son and I built the old one, but Tamiya released a newer version. It comes with more guys and goodness knows what. I enjoyed helping him on his. Was thinking this might be, dare I say it, an easy build. I could go for a simple build right now and it fits in the budget. Argh! So many decisions. Thank goodness the build is a ways off, that will give me some time to contemplate all the choices.

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman I saw a British Universal Carrier at my LHS, did they tow anything?

Yup, the six-pounder.

Muzzleflash, that sounds cool. Who makes the 45mm?

I saw a British Universal Carrier at my LHS, did they tow anything?

Any news on AFV's 251? That might work too. Can't remember if it's a D or what it is.

QUOTE: Originally posted by muzzleflash88 I plan to position a plethora of russian AT gear defending the dneiper. I have a pair of 45mm AT guns, a 76mm AT gun, some troops (one has a woman on the sprue), and some horses/limbers bringing in supplies. I need to locate some more troops though to complete my scene.

Oh my God, how completely cool. That will really be an eye-catcher when it's done.

Meanwhile, back at the Dunn Ranch ...

I started PST's "little" 152mm D-1 howitzer last night. The track is going to have to wait, though hopefully I will have the gun finished tonight (after I shoot my pre-shade on my Panther, which I can do tonight because I washed all the components last night.)

Mini-review: pretty good shapes, the plastic is fairly good to work with, though there are teeny parts attached to a big fat sprue that take time to clean up. So far the level of detial is quite passable for 1/72nd, though this is no Revell Germany braille scale piece.

Instructions are not horrible, but are very vague in places. injector pin marks are on some of the larger pieces, but were not that hard to remove. The breech block on the main gun piece had a huge hole in it that needed to be fixed.

So far I give PST a 6 out of 10. But then again, I haven't tried to put the gun shield on yet, so that grade could change. I'll post pics when the gun and prime mover are built, before I paint or weather them.

That would be another cool dio, Muzzleflash.

Well, my kit is just waiting....in the shelf.

Kenneth, I saw the box info on that new 251 and I will own/build it soon.... but my last group build was German so I'm going to watch you build the DML251 instead :)

OK I'm ready to show my cards......

I plan to position a plethora of russian AT gear defending the dneiper.
I have a pair of 45mm AT guns, a 76mm AT gun, some troops (one has a woman on the sprue), and some horses/limbers bringing in supplies. I need to locate some more troops though to complete my scene. After looking at a post about the DML russian tank riders I will get them and "make" them fit the scene. I would like to have the three AT guns in dugout emplacements along the Dneiper RIver. These fighters know they cannot allow the Germans to cross the river... let's see what happens.....

If time (and diorama space) permits, I will have a knocked out panzer II luchs and escaping german crew.

Anyone heard about AFV Club's SdKfz 251Ausf C? It is supposed to be coming soon.......but how soon?

Should be interesting to see it, given AFV Club produce a wheel and track set as well as a set of indy links for the Tamiya version. Wonder if the Pak 40 will come with it as a box set -wishfull thinking I suppose.

Hey Ya'll I got my new DML 251 Hanomag in the mail today... Holy Crap what beaut!!! It comes with draped clothes, boots, a rifle squad a very nice driver a ton of personal gear AND it even has a halftrack included This thang will look sexy pulling a 75! Now I need to ref-up to see how it was in Larry_Dunn's words...Kitted Up? Hmmm.. I have a few places I can check.... If ya'll have any ideas or pictures.. let me know..Pleeezzz...

Not that I'm aware of Larry. Jon said it was coming out, but didn't know the release. Hopefully it will come out in time or it's Plan B.

Anybody here built a 1/72nd scale PST kit? On a whim I bought a kit of this weird Russian half tracksky, a ZIS-42, and in the kit also comes a 152mm D-1 howitzer. Towed gun and transport! I may well just blitz through this thing to be done over the weekend, to get the build officially going, but I'm curious as to what I'm getting myself into!

I've generally heard good things about the PST braille scale kits.

BTW, I saw this -- a track AND gun -- for $9.95 and said, "what the heck, ten bucks ain't bad." (Or words to that effect. ) Turns out that I just looked up the kit on the net and it's really $19.95. Kit was mismarked. [:0]

Anyway, the ZIS-42 actually has individual link tracks! (Some anyway -- others are sold sections cast as one piece). I'm impressed.

Anyone have any feedback?

QUOTE: Originally posted by tigerman If anyone sees AFV's new Pak 40, please let me know. I'm leaning to it right now.

Tigerman, is it out yet?

I'm still thinking.

I haven't made up my mind yet on what I want to build.

If anyone sees AFV's new Pak 40, please let me know. I'm leaning to it right now.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kennethc QUOTE: There are actually a decent number of photos of Hanomag's towing PAK40's, if you're interested in how the Hanomag was kitted out when it towed AT Do you have some Info???

Not at hand, although some ot the sources I have at home might have something. (I'll take a look when I get home.) I think there are lots of photos of German AT guns pulled by Hanomags, though, and that should be a good indication of how they set them up and all. The charcoal sketches of that volksgrenadier were in Jim Arnold's book on the Battle of the Bulge, which he wrote for Osprey. I think he was VG anyway -- he might have been a panzergrenadier.

QUOTE: There are actually a decent number of photos of Hanomag's towing PAK40's, if you're interested in how the Hanomag was kitted out when it towed AT

Do you have some Info???

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kennethc I am using the old Tamiya Pak 40. I found a website with some great close up shots So I figure I'll spend the bulk of my time on it and just build the DML 251 more or less OTB. I think it will be an interesting pair as well. Don't know if it is accuarate but I don't see why not. I just want to build that 251 soon.

Definitely accurate. I've seen sketches a volksgrenadier made while he was in the Ardennes offensive, and his sketches show his AT company's Hanomags towing the PAK40's. There are actually a decent number of photos of Hanomag's towing PAK40's, if you're interested in how the Hanomag was kitted out when it towed AT guns.

I am using the old Tamiya Pak 40. I found a website with some great close up shots So I figure I'll spend the bulk of my time on it and just build the DML 251 more or less OTB. I think it will be an interesting pair as well. Don't know if it is accuarate but I don't see why not. I just want to build that 251 soon.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kennethc I am changing my build to a Pak 40 and DMLs new 251 halftrack. It is in the mail to be here this week. I am really excited about that kit. I love the 250's so much this one has to be cool.

Sounds like an interesting pairing, and certainly typical of late-war German expediency. Which PAK40 are you using?

Welcome back Sheila.
Ahh Der gabelschwanz tuffel (SP?), nice for a wingy thingy but still not a tank!

Wildwilliam,
Well at this time yes i am taking a break from it but one day i will finnish it though, but i am really excited about the group build, and most of all to build with my hubby (hehe)

QUOTE: Originally posted by petbat dday Just look at the top right corner of the passage for the post you want to quote. You should see a page icon and the word Quote after it. Just click on the word and you will be taken to a reply page and the quote will be there. If you only want to quote a certain sentence or part of the message just delete the extra stuff like you would any normal text program.

Oh should have looked there, I cant believe that it was so obvious

Littlemoe,
'accidentally' bought the wrong gun ?
let me write that one down for future use !!

not sure why i had to buy the Quad gun w/ the 25 pounder too.
we could abt have our own build!
i have the 88mm Flack 36/37 and a Russian SU-122 on the shelf.

i must always want what i don't have.

Welcome back Sheila!
the fork tailed devil did not suit you?


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I am changing my build to a Pak 40 and DMLs new 251 halftrack. It is in the mail to be here this week. I am really excited about that kit. I love the 250's so much this one has to be cool.

Still waiting ......