I'm pretty sure the panels behind the wastegates were stainless steel, same material as the panels around the Mustang exhausts.  The waste gates would be more likely to be open at high throttle at low altitude, and more closed at low throttle or as altitude increases.

Those belts look really nice! Thanks for the heads up.

Yes, I have only seen very light staining on Jugs. That is a lighter oil colored staining, on the lower belly rear. I have seen pics of a darker exhaust staining on the inboard gear doors, however.  I'll weather along those lines, with an emphasis on the appearance of the metal.

Mike - Sweet job on the cockpit. I always thought about picking up one of those Otaki kits as didn't seem to bad of a kit for their age.

Doogs - Wow, those are choie looking seatbelts. I very well may have to invest in some. definitely if they have sets for Corsairs.

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Mike -Looks great!

DoogsATX - Thanks. No steel it is. I looked at a schematic of the P-47 last night. Interesting! From waht I gather, the "exhaust" just aft of the lower cowl is actually a waste gate. The primary exhaust, perhaps at higher altitudes when the turbo is kicked in fully, is in the rear belly turbocharger outlet.

Those panels along the belly are right where the exhaust pipes go, either side, aft to the exhaust. Splitting hairs, perhaps, but those will be Burnt metal, with dark aluminum on the forward most panel. This is in line with pictures I've seen as well.

At any rate, I am going to shoot the primer soon...

Hmm...I need to crack my refs tonight and have a look at the underside. Jugs were fairly unique in that they exhibited little exhaust staining.

Also, forgot to mention it earlier, but I got a nifty package from Hannants last night that included some of HGW's new microtextile seatbelts. They're about the same or maybe a bit cheaper than Eduard PE belts, but the belts proper are made out of a material that's very malleable, and apparently the PE hardware is actually workable, if you can believe it. 

I'm dying to try these out - got sets for a 1/48 P-47, 1/32 P-47 and 1/32 P-40 - and each set contains two complete belts - so I'll probably be getting to them sometime in the nearish future.

Mike -Looks great!

DoogsATX - Thanks. No steel it is. I looked at a schematic of the P-47 last night. Interesting! From waht I gather, the "exhaust" just aft of the lower cowl is actually a waste gate. The primary exhaust, perhaps at higher altitudes when the turbo is kicked in fully, is in the rear belly turbocharger outlet.

Those panels along the belly are right where the exhaust pipes go, either side, aft to the exhaust. Splitting hairs, perhaps, but those will be Burnt metal, with dark aluminum on the forward most panel. This is in line with pictures I've seen as well.

At any rate, I am going to shoot the primer soon...

Oh and...finished main assembly on the Tamiya Razorback last night. Now it's time to move on to seam cleaning and getting it and the Revellogram ready for paint.

Note to anyone building the Tamiya Jug - if you want to do flaps up, I'd recommend installing them before you attach the wings to the fuselage, rather than after as the instructions direct. I had a very slight misalignment in the starboard wing that prevented me from doing so after the fact. It's not noticeable with the flaps down.

Really great work so far guys!  I finally picked a kit and got started just the other day.  I'm working on the Arii/Otaki P-47D.  It's a nice, cheap kit.  Detail is sparse in some areas, but that's ok.  Fit seems to be pretty decent so far. It's no Tamiya kit, but it'll do.  Anywho, here's the box art:

Instructions are, well, in Japanese..

Since there was hardly any detail in the tub, I decided to try my hand at some minor scratchbuilding:

After some paint and ready to get the fuse closed:

Belts are Tamiya tape and copper wire.

As she sits right now:

For now that's all I've got.  Have to see what else I can do to this jug.  Enjoy!

Mike

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JOE RIX:

 

Thank You Very Much Gentlemen. I'm now just settling down with some cleaning, sanding and polishing of parts.

Tom - Good luck on your Alclad application. I really can;t wait to see how it turns out.

     Joe

 

 

Thanks man. I have some stuff coming in from sprue brothers today. I am thinking of going along DoogATX's recommendation to put the first coat as airframe aluminum. (The base coat will be the alclad balck primer, to see how that goes.). I have duraluminum, aluminum, dark aluminum, and burnt metal. and steel? I plan on misting most of the airframe aluminum with duraluminum for "wear", with some (not overdone) panels in a few of the other ones. I understand that, since the P-47's were in the field, they really didn't have much contrast.

I do have a question for any P-47 enthusiasts. There are some panels along the belly, coming form the exhaust that appear to be darker in photos I have seen. The one coming from the exhaust pipe, in particular. Would this panel be steel, for the heat? Also, along the turbocharger on he rear belly? Again, steel? Or would that simply be burnt metal, due to heat tempering of the aluminum? Thanks

Let me STRONGLY urge against using Alclad Steel as an airframe shade. I attempted to use it on the steel exhaust plates on the La-5 I built awhile back, and yeah...

It's very dark.

Ultimately went with Dark Aluminum instead:

JOE RIX

Thank You Very Much Gentlemen. I'm now just settling down with some cleaning, sanding and polishing of parts.

Tom - Good luck on your Alclad application. I really can;t wait to see how it turns out.

     Joe

Thanks man. I have some stuff coming in from sprue brothers today. I am thinking of going along DoogATX's recommendation to put the first coat as airframe aluminum. (The base coat will be the alclad balck primer, to see how that goes.). I have duraluminum, aluminum, dark aluminum, and burnt metal. and steel? I plan on misting most of the airframe aluminum with duraluminum for "wear", with some (not overdone) panels in a few of the other ones. I understand that, since the P-47's were in the field, they really didn't have much contrast.

I do have a question for any P-47 enthusiasts. There are some panels along the belly, coming form the exhaust that appear to be darker in photos I have seen. The one coming from the exhaust pipe, in particular. Would this panel be steel, for the heat? Also, along the turbocharger on he rear belly? Again, steel? Or would that simply be burnt metal, due to heat tempering of the aluminum? Thanks

Thank You Very Much Gentlemen. I'm now just settling down with some cleaning, sanding and polishing of parts.

Tom - Good luck on your Alclad application. I really can;t wait to see how it turns out.

     Joe

Nice looking cockpit there, Joe!

I'm glad you like the Tamiya. That's "on deck" for me. I am getting ready to prime and alclad my 1/32 Hasegawa. What's the old saying "measure twice, and cut once"? That's how the sanding has been..

Joe - looks great! These Tamiya Jugs are a treat, aren't they?

Speaking of which, if anybody's casting about for a Jug to build...

Joe:

That's one nice looking cockpit

Wow Joe, looks really nice! Your detail work is top notch! I can't wait to get at the Tamiya kit as well. The Academy kit is very nice, but it just isn't a Tamiya. I can't wait to see more of your progress!

Alright, I finally got the cockpit all finished up. The seat is ultracast w/ harness and some Eduard PE. I added some wire to the back of the instrument  panel for effect as these are not covered by the forward shroud and thus visible. Unfortunately, the one thing I did not attempt was to sand and polish out the seam down the middle of the gunsight which shows up all to well in these photos. So far my opinion of this here Tamiya Jug is, LOVIN' IT!

                                                     Enjoy, Joe

Oops guess should have included that I am building a bubbletop from the 57th FG of 65th Fighter Squadron "Norma" Italy 1944.  Look forward to getting started......

James - welcome aboard, glad to have you! I've got you added to the roster - but have to ask, what P-47 are you building? Razorback, Bubbletop, etc?

Have to agree with you about the wonders of the internet. When I built models as a kid, I did so pretty much in a vacuum. There was FSM, sure, but not the wealth of tips and techniques and approaches that the internet makes available. When I came back to the hobby in the summer of 2010, I was amazed at the resources that are out there now. It was especially jarring because I stopped modeling regularly right around the time the internet started taking off (~1995 or so). Cars, movies, music, buying stuff...I've been around to see it all evolve, but with modeling it was like encountering the web anew. I'm STILL finding new resources with every build, it seems!

And I'm glad you're enjoying my blog! Keep an eye on it - I've got another giveaway coming up just as soon as I can figure out entry requirements I'm happy with.

All - not much new to report on the Jugs. I've been absorbed in my battle with the PCM Fiat G.55, and I'm waiting on a few bits to arrive from jolly old England - found a vacform canopy for the Revellogram Razorback over at Hannants. Main assembly's nearly done and I should be moving into sanding and putty (ugh) sometime this week.

First, Welcome James! Secondly, there is absolutely no need for apologies as that's how we roll around here. My modeling has improved 100 fold since I joined this forum and asked dozens of questions. I still ask dozens of questions. In fact I have one for the group in my busy little head right now but. I'll ask that a bit later. So for now, ENJOY!!!

                                                         Joe

If its not to late count me in for a Hasegawa P47 1/72 will start my build after I complete my first Spitfire.  I want to think everyone that posts information and tips on this forum.  You information has been tremendous for a beginner as myself and probably helped with my pocket book on spending on items I didn't need.  On a personal note to Doogs your blog has been a great resource and very grateful for your tips and techniques.  After a failed P51B mustang build I have a short lists I learned

1.  Patience, Patience, Patience

2. There is a fine line between to much or to less glue

3.  When in doubt mask more not less

4.  Canopies can be an adventure

5.  And most important HAVE FUN

Probably going to seek knowledge from everyone on this build so if I try to pick your brains for info let me apologize ahead of time :)

Thanks, James

The motor. In a perfect world, I would have put a wiring harness on it. Maybe next time...

Gamera

Tom: Very nice, I love cheesecake on any aircraft!

Cliff

 

Yeah, Cliff. Those guys sure knew how to decorate their planes!

Mine too. The "wolfpack". A bunch of hard hitting rebels. It's a shame Zemke was downed due to the elements. Apparently, he flew into a front, near or into a thunderstorm, and broke up. However, once he got to the Stalag he saved a lot of lives by putting his foot down and convincing the German's to take better care of his fellow POW's (8000 of them under his command). Thereby, saving a lot of lives. A true hero...

One thing about Gabreski. He got to where he let his wingmen take the kills. True modesty.

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From what I've read, the earlier P47-M's didn't have the fillet. I, too, have only seen a few examples. The fillets were apparently sent out later on, for field mod. (BTW, the purpose of fillets was to utilize the spiraling slipstream coming from the prop and to provide for a little more directional stability)

Incidentally, the 1/32 kit I am building now has an M prop and the fillet. (Just not the right magneto, accessory drive for the P-47M engine, for those of us who split hairs over such things) It's the P-47 kit with Gabreski's plane on the box.

Another interesting note about the M, is that many of the guys who flew them, in the 56thFG, were Jug holdouts. They basically refused to allow themselves to go to P-51's. Also, in the 56th, the jugs were painted with whatever they had in stock or could "find". The brits had a lot more paint stock, so the blue's, greens, etc. are british based.

Yeah, Schilling (who took over as CO after Zemke) was the one who put his foot down and refused to give up the P-47 for the P-51. All in all it's probably my favorite squadron of the war. Zemke, Gabby, Schilling, Bob Johnson, Jugs, leading ETO fighter group in kills, only FG to fly the P-47M, distinctive camo schemes...so much that's so fascinating about their run.

From what I've read, the earlier P47-M's didn't have the fillet. I, too, have only seen a few examples. The fillets were apparently sent out later on, for field mod. (BTW, the purpose of fillets was to utilize the spiraling slipstream coming from the prop, ie neturalizing it somewhat, ... and to provide for a little more directional stability)

Incidentally, the 1/32 kit I am building now has an M prop and the fillet. (Just not the right magneto, accessory drive for the P-47M engine, for those of us who split hairs over such things) It's the P-47 kit with Gabreski's plane on the box.

Another interesting note about the M, is that many of the guys who flew them, in the 56thFG, were Jug holdouts. They basically refused to allow themselves to go to P-51's. Also, in the 56th, the jugs were painted with whatever they had in stock or could "find". The brits had a lot more paint stock, so the blue's, greens, etc. are british based.

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Thanks. I'll be using Flory then. That looks really good. I am thinking of skipping preshade.

I am going to be doing a "blue camo" bird. Good guess! It is going to be between one of top two below, "lookin for trouble" and "Jane" (Aeromaster). I haven't decided yet. As well as "Josephine/My flying machine" (Zotz), later on.

 

Nice! Satch and I were actually having some back and forth awhile back about the existence of filletless P-47Ms (I've got markings for Col. Schilling's LM-S -M, which was the 56th's first, and filletless. Now with "Jane" there are two I know of!

Tom: Very nice, I love cheesecake on any aircraft!

Cliff

Thanks. I'll be using Flory then. That looks really good. I am thinking of skipping preshade.

I am going to be doing a "blue camo" bird. Good guess! It is going to be between one of top two below, "lookin for trouble" and "Jane" (Aeromaster). I haven't decided yet. As well as "Josephine/My flying machine" (Zotz), later on.

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Hi Doogs. Thanks. Yeah, I remember seeing that one when you got done. Very nice! I like that technique. It may be easier for me than a sludge wash, since I need more practice with that. I did get some panel wash from florymodels. I have black and dark brown, though I am not sure either will work with NM too well.

The flory washes work brilliantly on NMF. Better, I think, than other methods since they're clay-based and wipe off with water. So you're not putting anything solvent-based on top. I used Promodeller/Flory dark dirt on that Mustang, save on the blue cowl, which made the dark dirt look like **** brown. So I used black there.

Incidentally, I had some leftover XF-4 in my paint cup, working on "jabo" today. I put it to use on my Tamiya 1/48 P-47M, so it looks like I may have a double build going now?

Like! You going to be doing one of the blue/blue camo birds?

Hi Doogs. Thanks. Yeah, I remember seeing that one when you got done. Very nice! I like that technique. It may be easier for me than a sludge wash, since I need more practice with that. I did get some panel wash from florymodels. I have black and dark brown, though I am not sure either will work with NM too well. Incidentally, I had some leftover XF-4 in my paint cup, working on "jabo" today. I put it to use on my Tamiya 1/48 P-47M, so it looks like I may have a double build going now?

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Incidentally, I saw an amazing 1/32 Jug a guy built and posted. (I will have to look again fro the link). It was a Trumpeter Razorback, he NMF'd. I thought about doing what he did. He primed it with floquil "old silver" and overcoated with Alclad Aluminum. Panel lines were done in dark grey pastel. I don't think I'll use pastels because I want to get away from having to seal the NMF. However, I think a duraluminum base, with aluminum lightly over that will look nice. Perhaps a few panels done shiney, as if they have been field replaced due to small arms fire, etc.

panzerpilot - I've seen Tamiya AS-12 Bare Metal Silver used as a primer for Alclad as well. Same idea as the Floquil I'd imagine.

For breaking up the Alclad, have you seen the P-51 I did a few months back? Used Airframe Aluminum over a black base, then Aluminum and Duraluminum over that, sticking to panel centers but avoiding panel lines. Since the AA is high shine and thus semi-translucent, the black undercoat makes it darker than the regular finishes - instant shading!