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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, March 11, 2013 10:45 PM

DoogsATX
Long way of saying...I do still poke my head in

Keep coming around Matt. Miss seeing you here. Your input, knowledge and company are ALWAYS welcome. For me I cant keep two forums going at once.

As for the builds going on in here. Simply awesome!!

                   

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Posted by Geof on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:33 AM

Gamera

Well I finished the Tamiya P-47D last week and then took photos over the weekend. For some reason the yellow nose turned out funny in the photos- not sure if it was due to the overcast skies or some strange colour adjustment on my Droid phone, maybe I should drag out the camera next time. Anyway here's one of the better photos: 

Wow! Looks awesome, G-! Been off the bench for bit, doing life. A little stall on the A-10. Soon...

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On the Bench: Tamiya's 1/48 A-10a Thunderbolt 

In the Hangar:  Hmmm???

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:39 AM

Geof: Thanks!!! Looking forward to the A-10 - can't help but love a Warthog...

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:01 PM

Well, I'll post this here since this is about "Jugs".

A view of two builds - The 1967 Monogram 1:48 P-47D Bubbletop (undergoing painting) and the Revell P-47D Razorback (now in test fit stage).


Today I finally put some primer on the Bubbletop, now that the weather is nice. One thing I have to contend with is the weather.  Apartment dweller that I am, I cannot set up a paint booth even if I had an available window.  So my painting is done with rattle cans out on the deck. I used a nice, gloss gray primer and managed to do a not bad job. When I got it back inside, there was an "Oh, C@%$#%P!" moment as I saw the rear fuselage top had a crack in it a mile wide.  Not to mention some spots along the stabilizers and wings.  Well, I expected those, but that fuselage gap surprised me as I thought I had done a good job of filling. For a model that is 40 years old, it could be worse.



In fact, the fit of the "old" Monogram kit seems better than the "new" Revell kit.  The plastic of the Revell kit seems almost paper thin compared to the older model.  This may be my own skewed perception, but I'm going to have to do more filling on the Revell kit than the old Monogram kit (even with my gaps revealed by primer).  Perhaps they did build things better back then!

Here's a picture of the parts.  New attachment pins and tubing for the aux tank, brake lines on the gear, and scratch-built inner wheel doors (built out of sheet styrene).  Also, new gun tubes from brass, stabilizer cylinders on the underside for the drop tank, resin cockpit and prop.



Thanks for reading all of this!

PS> When is someone going to start a new P-47 Group Build? <Hint, hint>

PPS> I've been rebuilding a Monogram bubbletop P-47D since June of last year.  This is probably one of the original castings, as the first build was done in the late 60s, certainly no later than 1971 (you can see the dark brown / green plastic on the bombs and the pilot).  I've carried this model around with me for that long (with a few others) and always intended to re-do it when I had the resources and time. Many things came and went over 40 years, but the models remained packed in a cardboard box, awaiting resurrection.

In 2012, I found myself with a new job and a new place of residence, plus some free time.  Moving what few things I had, I discovered this box of models (dusty and time aged), still with the original instruction sheets.  They said, "Hey! You're not getting any younger!  Either deposit us in the trash or get to work!" Nostalgia won out.

It was pretty easy to disassemble the parts, as I didn't believe in using a great amount of glue back then.  Since it was Testors Cement, it didn't take a great amount of effort to separate the pieces.(Soaking in hot, soapy water did the trick on the decals, the glue, and a lot of the paint).  The rest of the paint came off in degreaser and oven cleaner.  Well, most of it.  You can see some of the residue in the  picture.



I had a good start on the model, grabbing a new cockpit, and installing brass gun tubes to replace the old kit ones (of which some were broken off).  It looked like a lot of work, as there were missing parts (control column, inner wheel doors, antenna, gunsight,etc. -- all lost or broken over the years). Most would have said "scrap it", but I really wanted to bring the old girl back to life.

Unfortunately, life has a way of getting in the way of the ejoyable things. My health deteriorated over the months, and I really had trouble making any progress on the build.  Finally, I ended up in the ICU over the Christmas holidays with a blood sugar level of 1428, diagnosed with diabetes.  Well, at least I didn't wait till the last minute! Dead

Since then, my health has been improving, though I've had to reorder my life somewhat, but the good news is that I'm back to building.

Gary

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Posted by JOE RIX on Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:27 AM

Gary, First let me say that I am glad to hear that your life and health are improving. I can all too well relate to having to overhaul one's lifestyle in order to bring about a healthier and happier way of life. Including Diabetes. To that means modeling has been instrumental for me. Your "vintage" Jugs are looking good. Don't you just love it when you have filled and sanded and you just feel good about what you've done and then you apply the primer and, "DOH!!!". Such is our way in modeling. Unsure if you have backtracked through this thread and saw that with mine I had a horrible ALCLAD mess up. Being as it was getting close to the original deadline I did not see myself  being able to strip it and finish it in time. Thusly, I shelved it and started a new GB. But, given that this GB has become an indefinite timeline I will get back to my Jug and finish her up after I complete my FW 190. I will be stripping mine down with Polly S ELO. Keep the updates coming.

Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by GAF on Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:13 PM

Thanks for the kind words, Joe.  I must admit it came as a surprise.  As someone said, "sometimes your car has to break down in order to discover what the problem is".  That was pretty much what happened with my health.

I hope your own health is good.  You never appreciate it until it goes!

Yes, I followed this thread picking up tips and information until things went downhill for me.  The "Eight Nifties" was looking really good until the wash thinner.   That was one of those *facepalm* moments everyone has.  I expect you will finish her in good time.   All it takes is a moment of "Let's Do This!", and before you know it the thing is complete.  You've already gone above and beyond what I would have done in recovery.  I would have just over-painted the bad area, using some different color and called it "battle-damage repair".  That's why I'm not a very good modeller.  Embarrassed

At the moment, I'm waiting for the primer to finish drying completely, then I'll tackle the gaps.  It's nothing that can't be corrected, I just don't want to leave fingerprints in the paint!

Since the GB is over, and DoogsATX is not around to update the front page, building a P-47 is not about a badge anymore.  It's a labor of love!  Or hate, as the case may be.  Wink  So I'll probably go ahead and post some updates here (until a new JUGS GB is started, or they shut this thread down).  I would really like to see anyone else's P-47s, especially those who didn't get to finish them before the deadline.

Joe, I would really like to see that "Eight Nifties" finished!  That nose-art is too good to waste!

Gary

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 18, 2013 8:02 AM

Gary: Nice to see more interest in this GB. Built the same Monogram P-47 years and years ago, frankly I liked it- looking forward to seeing how yours comes out.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Monday, March 18, 2013 12:35 PM

Hey Gary, You're Welcome. Fortunately for me I caught my condition early so I've been able to bring mine under control with diet, excercise and some natural supplements. Regardless, it required life changes and that was alright as I've certainly had to make more drastic changes other than those. But, I can say today I am healthier and happier.

Yeah, I'll get to "Nifties here fairly soon and when I do I'll be on here with it. I had simply put too much work into it to just patch it and call it good. So, I'll strip it and repaint/decal it and make her look sharp.

I encourage you to keep posting here as I will be here with you as I'm sure a few other folks will be also. Like Gamera there. It's great to meet you Gary and I hope we get the oppurtunity to chat some more.

Godspeed, Joe

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by GAF on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:36 PM

Thanks for the interest, guys!  I'll try to keep this going unless something else happens.

Joe: Glad to hear you're doing okay.  I do look forward to seeing "Eight Nifties" finished.

Gamera:  "Gladys" turned out really well.  I like the yellow nosed P-47s, but yellow is always so difficult to paint correctly.  I've never had much luck with it.

My P-47 Bubbletop is probably going to be from the 61st FS, built as an unknown HV-E.  The Razorback I'm going with "Pied Piper".  That red and white striped rudder sold me.  Smile

Another small update for the builds.

Most of my time has been spent watching paint dry -- literally. The gray enamel paint used as primer certainly has a long curing time.  I think I will try something different on the P-47 Razorback.

Once the paint was cured enough to work on, I proceeded to fill the gaps and small holes left behind and then re-sprayed a little to cover.  The large gap in the rear fuselage is gone now.
I experimented with many fillers on the Bubbletop as I was putting it together: squadron putty, CA, Sig white glue, modeling clay, and even liquid paper.  I was not very happy with any method.  I used CA on the rear fuselage, sanded, then thick gray enamel paint.  It seemed to do the trick. Taking some 1000 grit sandpaper, I knocked a bit of the shine off the primer, then proceeded to undershade using flat black and some thinner. Not sure how this is going to look when I apply the NMF, but this is a test bed for me.

Prop is painted.  Needs decaling and then detailing.



On the Razorback, you can see what DoogsATX said about this model earlier in this thread.

The canopy really does not match up in the back.  Really bad.  I see I have three choices:

1. Buy a new canopy.

2. Try to fix the existing one by sanding and polishing.  I will note that the canopy could probably be pressed and glued into a better fitting position as is, but I found that the side panels where the rear of the canopy are supposed to fit seem to be miscast.  The left side is fine, but the right is too shallow.  Only by cutting out the side panel and reshaping it could the canopy be made to fit.

3. Build the kit with the canopy in the "open" position.

I think I will go with # 3.  Simplest solution.  This means I will probably paint the pilot who will help hide the bare cockpit.  Not much detail inside.

However, I have an instrument panel and a gunsight left over from the True Details cockpit I placed in the Bubbletop, so maybe I can use these to spruce up the interior.  The cockpit I preshaded black and then painted Euro Dark Green.  I think that color is closest to some of the WWII color photos I've seen, but who knows what they were painted after leaving the factory and were reconditioned.

In addition, I've painted the inside of the cowl with 'steel', and began detailing (well, painting) the engine. Some finishing work on the cylinders, a grime wash and the engine will be about as done as I'm going to take it.

Once again, thanks for reading!

Gary

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:26 AM

Gary, thanks and nice work there! The pre-shading on the bubbletop looks good and I'm looking forward to those cool red and white stripes on 'Pied Piper'.

Personally I'd agree, just leave the canopy open on the Razorback. Unless the plane is supposed to be in flight or the canopy is molded shut I normally open them anyway.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by JOE RIX on Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:55 AM

Indeed, It's looking nice there Gary. Yup, Canopy open. Simply save you some heartache. In regards to your engine cowling the inside was normally chromate yellow or green.

"Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did". George Carlin

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Posted by GAF on Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:59 PM

I think you guys are being way too kind, but at least I'm getting 'er done!  Toast

I guess the consensus is to go with the open canopy, and that's what I'll do.  Next up some paint on the Bubbletop, which means masking.  Some detailing of the Razorback cockpit and a few dashes of paint.

Joe:  About the cowl interior -- when I first started this project, I did some looking online and came across the IPMSStockholm Aircraft Paint Guide.  Under the P-47, it stated that the interior of the cowls were left natural, and were anodized aluminum, a darker shade than the skins.  The engine mounting was painted zinc chromate.  Now, I don't know if that includes the intake housing.  Nor do I know if the information from the IPMSStockholm site is accurate, but that's the explanation for why I painted the cowl the way I did.

Gary

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 22, 2013 9:06 AM

Hmmm, think I've painted the interior cowling on most of mine yellow zinc chromate. But if IPMS Stockholm says NM then they're probably right. I guess my next P-47 I'll have to go with NM too.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by GAF on Friday, March 22, 2013 12:59 PM

Gamera:  Don't let me sway you.  What was painted at the depot or in the field could be anything.  I've considered painting the interior the same outside color as on the cowl.  Not sure how realistic that would be, but it would certainly look good.  Smile

GAF

My P-47 Bubbletop is probably going to be from the 61st FS, built as an unknown HV-E.  The Razorback I'm going with "Pied Piper".  That red and white striped rudder sold me. 

Just to prove a point, I've got to correct the above.  The 'red and white' striped rudder is not for "Pied Piper", which has a white tail section.  That red white and blue rear rudder is actually a bubbletop scheme, and I think I will go with it instead of the 61st scheme.  I can't find a good picture of it, but you can see it here:

http://simhq.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1031527/1.html

And some information on its pilot, Alvaro J. Hunter:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ghunter/AlvaroJHunter.html

I found the scheme in the "Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 26: Mustang and Thunderbolt Aces of the Pacific and CBI".

Best thing about it is that I don't have to do those invasion stripes everyone complains about! 

Gary

PS> Figures!  Seems that IPMSStockholm.org appears to be down.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Friday, March 22, 2013 1:31 PM

Gaf - Thanks for the headsup on the canopy for the razorback, It looks like were doing the same kit. My plan all along was to have it in the open position. Pictures will be coming soon. Things (modeling that is) have ground down to a halt latley. Well, almost a halt. it's been slow going latley

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Posted by GAF on Friday, March 22, 2013 11:38 PM

Greentracker98:  I understand about "slow".  I had a few months of it myself!  Hopefully, you'll get back on track.  Would like to see your Razorback build.  Big Smile

As for the canopy, I was in Hobby Lobby today (Picking up a Revell B-17G) when I came across some plastic sheet used in picture frames.  It looks about the right thickness, and I began to think  "You know, if I built a form out of sheet brass using the inside of the existing canopy as a guide, then took some of this clear plastic and laid it on top and stuck it in the oven until it began to droop..."

Okay, that may be a bit beyond what I need to do on this kit!

P-47 Colors:  It appears that the IPMSStockholm site is down, and I don't know if it will come back up.

HOWEVER, I (with foresight) copied the relevant pages to my computer for information.  So here's what the IPMS Stockholm site has to say about the P-47:

Republic P-47 Thunderbolt

The subject of cockpit colours of the P-47 seems to have thus far defied conclusive analysis. Surviving P-47s and contemporary photos show a dark green shade in the cockpit, similar or possibly equal to Dull Dark Green. This is in contrast with the available Erection and Maintenance manuals which invariably call for green-tinted primer in cockpit areas.

The 1944 Erection and Maintenance Instructions covering P-47C, G and D state that "cockpits shall be finished with one coat of tinted zinc chromate primer to eliminate glare resulting from untinted primer." As can bee seen, the use of "tinted primer" is not consistent with the Dark Dull Green found in other evidence.

Perhaps an explanation is to be found in the formula of tinted primer given in the above manual. Nowhere in the above document is the tinted Zinc Chromate specified to match ANA Interior Green. Instead, the specifications include a rudimentary mixing formula, described as one gallon Black to one gallon Yellow Zinc Chromate primer. The formula is probably an error. If the intended colour was to be Interior Green, the document should have stated 1/10 gallon Black to 1 gallon Zinc Chromate, consistent with other Erection and Maintenance documents of the period.

A possibility remains that Republic followed the instructions to the letter, obtaining some sort of black-green colour for the cockpit areas. Other hypotheses claim that the colour used could be Bronze Green or Dull Dark Green. Another mystery.

Another conventional wisdom states that Curtiss-built P-47Gs differed from Republic-build P-47Ds by having Interior Green (actually, Curtiss Cockpit Green) in the cockpit and wheel well areas. However, this does not seem to be consistent with examination of wrecked P-47G parts, which show Dark Dull Green in the cockpit.

Since there were less than 200 P-47Gs made and they were only used for training in the US, this controversy is of limited interest to modellers, which would usually be interested in Republic-made Thunderbolts.

According to the Erection and Maintenance manuals, the fuselage decking under the bubble canopy of the P-47D from the windscreen to the area aft of the cockpit armour plating, was to be painted Dark Olive Drab 41, the same colour being specified for the anti-glare area of the forward fuselage. Armour plating was specified to the same colour as the interior finish of the cockpit.

Another yet unresolved mystery is the turtleback area beneath the rearmost cockpit window of the razorback versions. Many variants have been called for, but the most likely choices (based on the available contemporary colour photographs) are Olive Drab for the early camouflaged aircraft, and some kind of medium grey further down in the production.

According to factory instructions, the fuselage decking inside the canopy on bubbletop Thunderbolts was to be painted in Olive Drab, with the inside of the canopy framing in flat black. The rear armour plate in the cockpit was to be painted to match the cockpit interior colour.

Interiors of P47 aircraft cowlings were natural metal. The aluminium in this area was anodised giving a darker and very dull greyish appearance. The engine firewall was left unpainted. Engine mounts were primed in Zinc Chromate Green.

All other interior surfaces of the fuselage with exception of the firewall were finished in Zinc Chromate Yellow. This included also wheel wells, undercarriage covers and armament compartments in the wings.

Undercarriage legs were painted Dark Olive Drab 41 on camouflaged aircraft. This practice continued over to at least some natural metal machines. At some point in production the requirement seems to have changed to allow an Aluminium lacquer finish to be used.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:57 PM

From what I gather on the P47, I think it will be close to specs I'm using yellow zinc primer in the wheel wells and green zinc primer in the cockpit area. I have these areas taped off right now, as I'm not finished painting. But here are a couple of pics. The bare spot just under where the canopy will go is from me getting a finger print in the wet paint Embarrassed

Oh Well, Some things I'll never learn. I think I do something on every build that creates more work for me to do Geeked

 

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:48 PM

greentracker98

From what I gather on the P47, I think it will be close to specs I'm using yellow zinc primer in the wheel wells and green zinc primer in the cockpit area. I have these areas taped off right now, as I'm not finished painting. But here are a couple of pics. The bare spot just under where the canopy will go is from me getting a finger print in the wet paint Embarrassed

Oh Well, Some things I'll never learn. I think I do something on every build that creates more work for me to do Geeked

That's a nice looking Jug!  And the colors sound good to me.  You're much further along with yours than I am, even with sticky fingers. Wink  Keep posting updates!  BTW, how did you do your gun tubes?

I have not made much progress on my "Double Ds" as I've come to call them.  The weather outside has turned wet, so no spray painting.  On the other hand, I've been detailing what I can.  No pictures, but here's a list.

RAZORBACK:

* Finished up the engine.  Just need to give it some oil wash and smoke.  Gave a second coat of "steel" to the interior of the cowl.

* Took a saw to the cowl flaps and separated them a bit.  Not sure how this is going to look

* Precoated the interior of the cockpit fuselage black, then painted it Euro Dark Green.

* Removed the kit gunsight.

* Finished detailing the Razorback cockpit except for the IP.  I'm thinking about what to do on this.

* Started trying to open up the vents on the front.  Very slow and painful.

  Bubbletop:

* This one I've finalized the paint scheme on.  Since I don't have some decals for "My Baby", I will have to make my own.  First, I copied the color profile from the Osprey book, then printed it out to scale.  The image is the same length as the Monogram P-47 (I measured).  Using the image and a circle template (did I mention I'm a draftsman), I found the circle that best matched the curve on the cowl.  Then using that circle, I cut out the mask for the cowl from painters tape and placed these in position.  When the weather clears up, I'll finish painting the cowl red.  It appears from the image that the red of the cowl has a thin black outline, and I'm hoping to do that with a fine tip marker.  We'll see.

Oh!  And got a package from Sprue Brothers in the mail today with some nice new wheels for the Razor.  Big Smile  I guess I couldn't get away from AM stuff completely on this build.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:27 PM

Thanks Gaf,

When I opened the kit my eyes went straight to the guns Revell molded into the wings, They did not look like guns to me, they were pathetic. So I went to Ebay and found brass tubes made especially for  it. After I clicked on buy it now, I thought "Oh where is this coming from? Then I looked and thought ut oh, it came from Poland. But I had them in 10 days. No problems at all. I put guns in one side first when I was tired. When I looked at it the next day, I seen I have two barrels in backwards and one gun is just a little bit off, (its not out enough). But I figured most people aren't going to notice that. And it isn't bad enough to warrant tearing it apart and doing it over.

I want to do a bubble top too, but I am on Social Security Disibilty and don' t make that much.and Since i signed up to do a couple more GB's, it will have to wait a while. Maybe i can get it for Christmas this year. I'll throw a few hints out.:-)

I opened up the shell ejectors tubes under the wings.

What did you do for a gun sight?.

What is the IP?

What vents on the front do you mean; and where are they?

I found a few pics of the canopy and it looks like the top window all the way back in the canopy is painted? Did you find that. ?

PS I painted it already and now I'm wondering if it should not be painted

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 25, 2013 8:05 AM

Ken: Looks good! If I may I think he means instrument panel when he says IP. Btw: I try to leave the model lying on the bench to spray the bottom and then the top but I've picked them up when still wet and got fingerprints in there too, think we all do it....

GAF: Sounds like you're doing some serious work on her. And thanks for the head's up on the interior colours, working on a F6F now and I've been surprised by how much I thought I knew is wrong!  

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Posted by greentracker98 on Monday, March 25, 2013 11:36 AM

Thanks Gamera. Oh okay on the instrument panel. At least it was only one fingerprint LOL I had a few other places to touch up that needs to be resprayed. I have them done now so It can go back into the spray booth later today. I'll try to leave it sit before i pick it up again this time LOL

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Posted by GAF on Monday, March 25, 2013 8:12 PM

It was a slow weekend for me, what with the weather and getting other stuff done.
There's not much to report.  I'll just post some pictures of some of what I've been
doing, though they're out of date now.

First, the paint scheme for the Bubbletop. I've printed this out to the same size as
the Monogram model and am using it as a guide for curves and decals.  Those vents I
mentioned are the ones on the lower part of the aircraft, just before the wings, behind
the cowl flaps. The Bubbletop is masked and waiting for me to paint the cowl.



The cockpit is waiting on an Instrument Panel. (Thanks, Gamera! IP = Instrument Panel)  I've
got the resin one soaking in degreaser to remove that black paint.  Once that's done,
I can finish it up and glue the fuselage together.  Got some nice new wheels!  And the cowl flaps have been separated.  The engine is further along than this, and is ready to be installed.
The resin piece below the IP are gunsights which came with the True Details cockpit I installed
in the Bubbletop.  They supplied 3, and I will use one for the Razorback cockpit.



And the inside of the fuselage cockpit area is painted.



Meanwhile, while surfing the web for P-47 information, I came across this picture that seems
to show some of the interior of the cowl.  I cannot be certain, but it looks like natural metal
to me.  Some Opinions May Differ.

Greentracker98>  The guns look fine to me.  We strive to be as accurate as possible, but at a certain point you just have to go with what you've got.

I opened up the shell ejectors tubes under the wings.

I need to do that for the Razorback when I put the new gun tubes in.  I didn't on the Bubbletop.

What did you do for a gun sight?.

As you can see above I have a couple of resin replacements ready.

What is the IP?

Gamera answered that one.  IP is a common abbreviation for Instrument Panel around here.  Smile

What vents on the front do you mean; and where are they?

They're as shown above.  They should be open like the shell ejector tubes, but it's a bear to get them opened up.

I found a few pics of the canopy and it looks like the top window all the way back in the canopy is painted? Did you find that. ?

PS I painted it already and now I'm wondering if it should not be painted.

No, that's correct.  I think the panel is painted the same color as the frame.  I've seen a picture of a blue one painted that way.

Thanks for reading!  I have a short week and will be off for Good Friday.  I hope I can make more progress with a long weekend.

Gary

PS>  Greentracker, check your messages.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Monday, March 25, 2013 11:55 PM

Gary - Thanks again. I'm interested to see how your 47s turn out. Now I'm thinking invasion stripes and what color scheme.Hmm, NMF Maybe

Good Luck on your weekend

PS Check your messages

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:52 AM

Gary: She looks good to me. I hate painting those odd shaped patterns on the nose of aircraft. 'Gladys' at least came with a set of templates on the decal sheet I was able to transfer to Tamiya tape to mask off the yellow.

I've been painting the cowling interior yellow zinc chromate on top and grey on the bottom like the  Tamiya instructions say. Not sure if it's right. Funny I've been building a F6F and sources I've seen indicate it the cowling interior could be yellow zinc chromate, Grumman grey, or natural metal so it's possible the P-47 cowling could be different colours from different factories - darned if I know!

Cliff

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

GAF
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Posted by GAF on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 8:38 PM

Well, I had a disaster tonight with the Bubbletop.  I tried to spray the cowl and it ran under the masking tape.  So I have created a new headache for myself.  *sigh*  Back to the proverbial drawing board it seems.

Guess I need to stop and rethink how I'm proceeding on this one.  Maybe I'll put it aside and concentrate on the Razorback for awhile until they're both ready to paint.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:16 AM

Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I've lately been spraying a thin coat of Future over any masked areas. It 'seals' any gaps in the mask and since it's clear the overspray won't show.

If it helps put the thing back in the box and step away for a little while.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:29 PM

GAF

Well, I had a disaster tonight with the Bubbletop.  I tried to spray the cowl and it ran under the masking tape.  So I have created a new headache for myself.  *sigh*  Back to the proverbial drawing board it seems.

Guess I need to stop and rethink how I'm proceeding on this one.  Maybe I'll put it aside and concentrate on the Razorback for awhile until they're both ready to paint.

I know that feeling GAF.

I sprayed my Razorback again today. I'm still learning the airbrush and was trying for exhaust soot and gun soot. I didn't get those, but I think I have feathery edge between the olive drab and the neutral gray. After spending what seemed like forever on that, I cleaned the airbrush and put it all up for the night. I'll have pics tomorrow.

Wht is the trick for getting the soot from the gun and the exhaust? Should I turn the air pressure down to almost nothing? I have an Aztek brush.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:51 AM

Well, some people use Tamiya 'Smoke' and some use pastels. If you want to use regular paint you might want to thin it down and then spray with low pressure as you said. It should work, just build it up slowly, I've done it too fast and ended up with more than I wanted and it's hard to remove once it's there.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:15 AM

Well, I'm enjoying this balmy spring weather but it's been way too windy to take any photos outside for the past two weeks. So since the lighting is good in the office I took these photos there- please excuse the file cabinets! 

Applying the thisfilter got rid of most of the weird green neon effect on the yellow nose I had from the outside photos- so here's pilot Hans von Hornet ready to take 'er out! 

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GAF
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Posted by GAF on Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:07 PM

Gamera,

She does look good in an office setting. Wink  Congrats on a great build.  You even have the guns numbered.

I haven't done much.  I'm trying to get a project done at work, gather up forms and bills for my taxes, and take care of things such as laundry and groceries.  I did decide to strip the paint from the cowl on the Bubbletop, and I have most of it off.  Then I will re-spray the cowl with primer.  After that, I'm not sure.

I may go ahead and paint her NMF, then work on the cowl.  I may try making a decal for her instead of painting.  After that mess-up, I'm leery of attempting another oddly shaped paint job.  We'll see.  Work continues on the Razorback at least.  I've about got the IP finished, and have the gunsight glued on to its back.  I'm waiting for it to dry, and then I need to fit it into the cockpit and fuselage, as I will have to cut out a portion of the front decking to fit the sight through.

Greentracker:  Can't help you on the smoke question as I don't have an airbrush.  I would probably do any shading like that using charcoal and a brush.

Should get the package out in the mail tomorrow.

Gary

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