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That's Amore (Italian GB) Jan 1-June 30 2012

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Posted by bsyamato on Monday, March 5, 2012 4:22 PM

these gaps was after the cut of inside parts under the superstructure, or was even with a dry test fit ? (hope write corrrect Embarrassed )

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Posted by TD4438 on Monday, March 5, 2012 4:41 PM

The part I had to cut out didn't affect it.I did test fit it,but something screwed up afterwards.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, March 5, 2012 4:42 PM

Is it already glued down? If not perhaps you could shim the gap with some styrene?

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, March 5, 2012 7:15 PM

TD4438

 

 tigerman:

 

Yes, it won't be too noticeable to the naked eye. when you zero in with a camera, it does stand out, but still isn't that bad.

 

Yes it is. My language would have made Jason Mewes blush in embarassment.

 

Big Smile

I think we've all been there. 

Already I'm cursing my choice of paint and lack of some AM. Oh well, I'll get over it. Wink 

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, March 6, 2012 5:51 AM

DoogsATX

Is it already glued down? If not perhaps you could shim the gap with some styrene?

I glued everything and set it in place inch by inch just like I did during test fitting.Trying to remove it would cause chaos with all the fragile bits.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, March 6, 2012 7:58 AM

More small steps last night. 

Flap internals painted:

Backing for ANR fasces insignia. 

I'll be masking the underside tonight and hopefully starting to preshade the upper. 

I've also noticed Great Models is having free shipping week. Trying to resist the PCM Reggiane Re.2005!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, March 6, 2012 8:20 AM

I'm itching to see this bad boy completed.

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Posted by bsyamato on Tuesday, March 6, 2012 8:51 AM

good update Doogs Yes

wishing to add g-55 and re-2005 to the Veltro Confused

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, March 6, 2012 7:43 PM

I sprayed my camo today and it stunk. It's not unusual for me to respray 2-3 times. Just disappointed, but it's not a big deal.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:52 PM

Epic masking session last night made ridiculous by 1) dealing with the "wrap-under" of the upper scheme colors to the leading edge of the wings and stabs and 2) running out of anything but 6mm or 40mm Tamiya tape.

All for some hurry up and wait, apparently. Alas.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Italian Starfighter on Wednesday, March 7, 2012 2:48 PM

..............Go Doogs Go..............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ciao EnricoYes

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Posted by bsyamato on Wednesday, March 7, 2012 3:39 PM

Go faster that weather Cool LOL Local weather  throwing down thunders and raining continuously by this afternoon LightningLightning

waiting for updates Surprise

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:57 AM

Weather held out last night so I managed to get some painting in. Definitely need to do something to lighten and yellow the Tamiya Dark Yellow.

First, pre-shading.

Paint. 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:09 AM

Shaping up nicely DoogsATX. Yes

Weather here... 9 degrees below freezing yesterday, sunny and +9 today, chance of T-storms here as well????

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:34 PM

Thanks Vance!

Question to the group. Lightening and yellow Tamiya Dark Yellow. Thinking of adding (obviously) Flat Yellow. Perhaps a dash of orange. Maybe Buff or Deck Tan to lighten? Feel like I'm going after a frustratingly elusive color...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by Italian Starfighter on Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:42 PM

Excuseme DoogsATX......what is the color you want replicate?Anyway Buff ,I think,is right.ciao Enrico.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:48 PM

Italian Starfighter

Excuseme DoogsATX......what is the color you want replicate?Anyway Buff ,I think,is right.ciao Enrico.

This...

The color callouts just say "Sand", frustratingly, but I believe it's Giallo Mimetico 4. Not striving for an exact match, but Tamiya's Dark Yellow is too dark and not yellow enough, so trying to work out ideas of what to mix in to kick it up to where it needs to be.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:21 PM

Doogs, I'd stay away from Deck Tan, might make it too brown. How about RLM 04 Gelb mixed in? Buff is worth a try. Just an opinion, but if you're after the yellow shade in the profile, there's a chance its not correct. I think in real life Giallo Mimetico 4 was closer to middlestone, thus being more of a sand color as opposed to the yellow in the profile anyway.

 

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:41 PM

Nathan T

Doogs, I'd stay away from Deck Tan, might make it too brown. How about RLM 04 Gelb mixed in? Buff is worth a try. Just an opinion, but if you're after the yellow shade in the profile, there's a chance its not correct. I think in real life Giallo Mimetico 4 was closer to middlestone, thus being more of a sand color as opposed to the yellow in the profile anyway.

Tamiya doesn't do an RLM 04, but their Flat Yellow isn't far off. But yeah, I'm thinking adding yellow to, you know, make it yellower, and the Deck Tan/Buff/White as an option for making it a bit lighter.

The sand color in the profile is a bit off thanks to the awesome color metering of the iPhone. I've got a scan somewhere, but you can see a snippet of it printed out here - think this is closer.

And this is FS 20266, which is stated in a few places as the FS equivalent for GM4:

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by Italian Starfighter on Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:41 PM

@DoogsATX:Check your mail!You need this book!Ciao Enrico

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:54 PM

Doogs you're right, that's a bright yellow in the profile. Its based off a real life scheme isn't it? If its based on GM4 its a little off, but whatever color u choose to use I can't wait to see it.

 

 

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:55 PM

That's a wild scheme Doogs, but i'll bet that you can pull it off.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:41 PM

Nathan T

Doogs you're right, that's a bright yellow in the profile. Its based off a real life scheme isn't it? If its based on GM4 its a little off, but whatever color u choose to use I can't wait to see it.

I can't either! Whatever comes of it, it'll be striking, that's for sure!

I'm also starting to get a bug up my *** to pick up another PCM G.55 with the torpedo conversion...

Craziest thing about this version? The complete reducting of the radiator from the centerline to the wings.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:55 PM

And this is FS 20266, which is stated in a few places as the FS equivalent for GM4:

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If sticking to Tamiya, to me that looks very close to their desert yellow with perhaps some yellow and white?
Thing is with their dark yellow, I always found it had a green or olive tinge to it.  If you mix in a brown or tan the result will have a grey tone to it, which may or may not be what you want. 

Why do I say grey?  Properties of primary colours - when you mix blue, red and yellow you will get black.  Dark yellow has yellow and blue already and when you add tan, brown or orange (all of which contain a percentage of red) the result will be a shade of black - a grey.

Doogs, if you think it is Giallo Mimetico 4, why not just purchase a bottle.  I know saving money on a paint colour you may never ever use again, but there is consideration of paint wasted in trying to mix your own.

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So now I ask the opinion of the members here.  How should the tracks for an afv in a desert region be painted? Seems many are of the opinion that there is very liitle if any rust colour and and the constant abrasion of sand should create very clean surfaces.

Here is where I'm at.  I first airbrushed  an overall brown and then attempted a light spray of  metalizer steel.  Once dry added a wash of dark blue, the metallic though seems to have just over powered it.

regards,
Jack


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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, March 8, 2012 5:52 PM

jgeratic1
If sticking to Tamiya, to me that looks very close to their desert yellow with perhaps some yellow and white?
Thing is with their dark yellow, I always found it had a green or olive tinge to it.  If you mix in a brown or tan the result will have a grey tone to it, which may or may not be what you want. 
Why do I say grey?  Properties of primary colours - when you mix blue, red and yellow you will get black.  Dark yellow has yellow and blue already and when you add tan, brown or orange (all of which contain a percentage of red) the result will be a shade of black - a grey.
Doogs, if you think it is Giallo Mimetico 4, why not just purchase a bottle.  I know saving money on a paint colour you may never ever use again, but there is consideration of paint wasted in trying to mix your own.

I actually looked at Desert Yellow. It has a rather pinkish tinge to it, which is what I'm really trying to avoid (the yellow tinge plays very well with the green and brown...the pink mutes it all on some of the builds I've seen).
I'll try yellow and white then, I guess. Mix some small amounts first to test.
I'm not buying a bottle because very few manufacturers do good Italian colors - WEM does, but I've had difficulties with their paint. I may try them for when I get around to the Reggiane Re.2005, though. Single color, hard lines, stunning olive green.
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So now I ask the opinion of the members here.  How should the tracks for an afv in a desert region be painted? Seems many are of the opinion that there is very liitle if any rust colour and and the constant abrasion of sand should create very clean surfaces.
Here is where I'm at.  I first airbrushed  an overall brown and then attempted a light spray of  metalizer steel.  Once dry added a wash of dark blue, the metallic though seems to have just over powered it.
regards,
Jack
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Metal in the desert tends to take on a slightly burnished quality over time...I've heard of people using jet exhaust to good effect, since it has a very slight bronzish tint to it. 

 

 

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:25 PM

Good question on the tracks Jack. I primed with black and dry brushed steel. After they are installed, I will add a burnt umber wash and finish off with pastels. I won't be adding any rust, because like you said, the sand should keep them from getting over rusted.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, March 9, 2012 2:20 AM

Repainted tonight. Yellow and white (surprisingly high ratios of each!) did the trick to de-brown the Dark Yellow.

Before:

After:

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, March 9, 2012 8:39 AM

Nice job Doogs. You captured the GM4 look really well. Definately better than the original dark yellow. You using Lacquer thinner with the tamiya?

 

 

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Posted by bsyamato on Friday, March 9, 2012 6:24 PM

Good updates guys Yes

Sorry for absence but right finished another kit and now workbench cleared from main projects, then here updates on the Veltro

Started engine section, the engine suppoert before drill/cut cure

and afetr the weight cure, the white stiyene parallelepiped was the engine draft ....

... before to turn into a new one in balsa wood as base

put on a layer of tamiya putty thinned in acrilyc thinner

The wood is really raw but less weighted than a styrene scratchbuild, will improve the surface with more putty and add gradually more pieces with evergreen sheets.

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Posted by Italian Starfighter on Saturday, March 10, 2012 5:30 AM

........This kit is full of trouble.....the top is at the end:the wings struts don't fit....they seem to be of another airplane,so to don't throw all in the rubbish I try to replicate them......not easy......Ciao Enrico

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