Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

Ken,

Will the fuselage panel fit over top of that rail flush with the fuselage when you are done, or is it going to be open permanently?

Dom

Hi Dom,

There are three panels that came with the kit that fit over the top.  But as far as I am concerned, why bother with them after all this work?  Unless I wanted to put together a diorama and have them laying on the ground next to the plane.

Ken

Ken,

For some reason, I couldn't find a picture, but I'm pretty sure the avionics bay cover was hinged at the top and had a rod that supported it when open.

Russ

Hi Russ,

Sorry friend, but that is incorrect.  I do have pictures, courtesy of "The Modern Phantom Guide:  The F-4 Phantom Exposed" and the panels are held on entirely by screws and come completey off.  Apparently there was not a need to get into this area on a regular basis to warrant a hinged panel or panels.

Ken

Wet sandings fantastic, but ive found using a sanding wheel on a dremel causes too much heat and melts the plastic, thats my experience with them anyway,

Thanks, Dom,

Wet sanding is looking more and more appealing to me. But what about sanding wheels for a Dremel tool? Are there wet sanding wheels and cylinders available?

Russ

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

Ken,

Will the fuselage panel fit over top of that rail flush with the fuselage when you are done, or is it going to be open permanently?

Dom

Hi Dom,

There are three panels that came with the kit that fit over the top.  But as far as I am concerned, why bother with them after all this work?  Unless I wanted to put together a diorama and have them laying on the ground next to the plane.

Ken

Ken,

For some reason, I couldn't find a picture, but I'm pretty sure the avionics bay cover was hinged at the top and had a rod that supported it when open.

Russ

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

What I think my plan of attack will be is to glue (epoxy of course!) the avionics panel in place first.  Then cut the fuselage just enough for the photo-etch piece to lay flat on top.  Then with the photo-etch piece out of the way, fill in the areas that need built back up with epoxy and square it off with a file.

Ken

 

Sounds like a plan, man! .  That's gonna look great, Ken!

 

Russ

Thank you Russ!  It is coming together, slow but sure.

Ken

Gamera

Ken: that avionics bay looks great, I really want to see how it looks painted.

Thank you Cliff for the compliment!  It is getting closer.

Ken

Bockscar

Ken,

Will the fuselage panel fit over top of that rail flush with the fuselage when you are done, or is it going to be open permanently?

Dom

Hi Dom,

There are three panels that came with the kit that fit over the top.  But as far as I am concerned, why bother with them after all this work?  Unless I wanted to put together a diorama and have them laying on the ground next to the plane.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

What I think my plan of attack will be is to glue (epoxy of course!) the avionics panel in place first.  Then cut the fuselage just enough for the photo-etch piece to lay flat on top.  Then with the photo-etch piece out of the way, fill in the areas that need built back up with epoxy and square it off with a file.

Ken

Sounds like a plan, man! .  That's gonna look great, Ken!

Ken: that avionics bay looks great, I really want to see how it looks painted.

Dom: yeah she's a Cougar. Probably some photos in there of the whole plane, my stupid ISP is on the fritz again and typing this on the phone or I'd look myself.

Ken,

Will the fuselage panel fit over top of that rail flush with the fuselage when you are done, or is it going to be open permanently?

Dom

Hi Everyone,

Well the epoxy held and very well.  I did some filing and several fitting tests and no problems!  Here is a picture before I did the final filing.  You can see the panel rail is uneven against the fuselage:

And here it is after I straightened it up:

Well after all that work, I cut out the photo-etch panel rail (which came from the same Verlinden kit) and laid it on top and got a surprise.  It does not exactly match.  It is close, but not close enough:

Which means I have to do some more custom work to make this look right.  And I am going to make this look right.  What I think my plan of attack will be is to glue (epoxy of course!) the avionics panel in place first.  Then cut the fuselage just enough for the photo-etch piece to lay flat on top.  Then with the photo-etch piece out of the way, fill in the areas that need built back up with epoxy and square it off with a file.

Ken

I got an old 1/4 hp furnace blower fan and built it into a big card board box about 36" long and 20" or so high. i placed curved ducting inside to allow for smooth air flow and maximum over-spray take-up.

i think it moves about close to 700-900 CFM, but I paint inside the hood, and I designed an adaptor so the unit plugs into the outside dryer vent.

These days I wet-sand almost exclusively, i can't take anymore dust. If I get a chance this weekend I'll send pictures.

I think Ken has a great idea there. We do what we gotta' do.

mikeymize

 Finally getting a chance to catch up on postings. I'm still using the "old sable brush" and certainly did so on the power plant as required. Did a little dry brushing etc. even though won't be seen; if only for practice. I'm currently doing much sanding and smoothing of the fuselage seams in prep of the metalizer. I'm a huge fan of century series aircraft Ken and hope to take what I'm learning and apply it to those builds when the time comes, plus when I get my Badger up and running I may try Alclad on some. BTW, the threads about using film instead of digital shows our collective age lol!

 I have been having a real heck of a time trying to determine what color to paint the radome in the intake of this jet. I've seen some a pale blue a green and even one red. I'm leaning toward the blue. I'm not sure how essential it is to accuracy but would like to come as close to real as possible. That being said, I could always just keep it roughly the same color as the rest of the plane but really would like to contrast it if possible. Any ideas / info will be much appreciated!

Hi Mike M.

I have not done any research on any MiGs so I could not give you any advice there.  Everytime I have seen any footage from that era it has always been black and white.  The U.S. National Air Force Museum has one done in SEA scheme but of course that won't help you.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

The vent I am using is a bathroom vent.  I went to the hardware store and purposely bought the highest air volume output unit they had.  I also got it with lights so it has a double function.  It really moves the air when I turn it on.  I also chose the quietest unit at that air volume since I did not want to go deaf.  It was almost the most expensive unit they had but worth every penny.  The only unit higher in price had heat in it but I did not see a purpose for that.

Ken

Cool! I didn't think of that!. As a matter of fact, I have one somewhere around the house - never installed it. Wonder where it is ....

Thanks!

Russ

Hey Mizer;

Given the Soviet era shortages of everything all the time,

I'll bet they painted in what ever color came out of the unmarked containers.

You do pretty well with that sable, but yeah, nothing like badger.

Dom

PS, Mizer, you've checked out the MiG Alley GB?

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/137627.aspx

 Finally getting a chance to catch up on postings. I'm still using the "old sable brush" and certainly did so on the power plant as required. Did a little dry brushing etc. even though won't be seen; if only for practice. I'm currently doing much sanding and smoothing of the fuselage seams in prep of the metalizer. I'm a huge fan of century series aircraft Ken and hope to take what I'm learning and apply it to those builds when the time comes, plus when I get my Badger up and running I may try Alclad on some. BTW, the threads about using film instead of digital shows our collective age lol!

 I have been having a real heck of a time trying to determine what color to paint the radome in the intake of this jet. I've seen some a pale blue a green and even one red. I'm leaning toward the blue. I'm not sure how essential it is to accuracy but would like to come as close to real as possible. That being said, I could always just keep it roughly the same color as the rest of the plane but really would like to contrast it if possible. Any ideas / info will be much appreciated!

Hey Guys,

Rich is very sick with pneumonia.

He's had shots for it, but is pretty much

bed-ridden for a while.

He asked me to mention the Secret Santa GB,

I think I'll throw in a beginner's kit for a new enthusiast.

Link here:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/p/150747/1614511.aspx#1614511

His computer is also on the fritz so he will be rare.

Here's hoping you get better soon pal!

Dom

Well Ken;

I can see how you contoured the cross-sectional outline of the wing root bulge to get that wheel well to fit snug! That means you are becoming an artist alright!

Bockscar

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Here are the pictures that I promised last night.  In this picture you can see the difference in height from the original wheel well and the new Aires resin piece.  You can see the part of the left original wheel well in the left side of the picture.  That is the air brakes directly behind the wheel wells.

 And here is a picture of the other piece:

I mixed up some epoxy and glued the avionics bay back together.  Hopefully it will hold together so I can get started on the fuselage tomorrow.

By the way Dom, I always turn on my vent whenever I do any sanding or cutting on resin.  In fact, I turn on my vent any time I use any toxic substances such as epoxy, super glue, paint, etc.

Ken 

Ken;

Your patience is showing, very nice sculpting there!

Dom

Thank you for the compliment Dom!  Coming from you (being an artist) that really means a lot!   

Ken

Gamera

Thanks Ken, funny I've got a pile more of the Yorktown, just figured I'd post the aircraft related ones.  I love digital cameras, I can fit over 340 photos on a card the size of a matchbook so there's really no reason not to go 'snap-happy'!

I totally agree with you Cliff!  Man I wish I had a digital camera back in my earlier years.  So many times I did not have enough film with me to take all the pictures I wanted to, not to mention the cost of developing the pictures and the film itself!

Ken

Striker8241

Hi, Ken! Looking good, bud! .

BTW, what kind of vent are you using? I adapted a range hood vent but it doesn't move much air.

Russ

Hi Russ,

Thank you for the compliment!

The vent I am using is a bathroom vent.  I went to the hardware store and purposely bought the highest air volume output unit they had.  I also got it with lights so it has a double function.  It really moves the air when I turn it on.  I also chose the quietest unit at that air volume since I did not want to go deaf.  It was almost the most expensive unit they had but worth every penny.  The only unit higher in price had heat in it but I did not see a purpose for that.

Ken

Scorpiomikey

Lol i always thought those cages were to assist non military types (and fatties like myself lol) into and out of the cockpit so they too can experience the interior of a fighter.

errrr......you are one cruel dude Mikey.....lol....

Striker8241

Gamera

BTW: Finally got the photos from the Mighty Eighth Museum uploaded to PhotoBucket. Sorry it took so long, ISP problems and just putting things off, but they're up now. And a few photos of the aircraft on display on the USS Yorktown, I'm going to see about getting more Yorktown photos added.

Mighty Eighth Photos

 

And yes the dorky looking guy here is yours truly...

Hi, Cliff. Thanks for taking the time to provide those pictures.

Hey, isn't that cage meant to keep dorky looking guys out of the cockpit??!!  How did you get in there?

Russ

Cliff, is that a Panther, or Cougar,,,,, guessing Panther....

Toko-Ri had such a tragic ending, but it did inspire to get one of those carbines.....in a former life.....

Dom

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Here are the pictures that I promised last night.  In this picture you can see the difference in height from the original wheel well and the new Aires resin piece.  You can see the part of the left original wheel well in the left side of the picture.  That is the air brakes directly behind the wheel wells.

 And here is a picture of the other piece:

I mixed up some epoxy and glued the avionics bay back together.  Hopefully it will hold together so I can get started on the fuselage tomorrow.

By the way Dom, I always turn on my vent whenever I do any sanding or cutting on resin.  In fact, I turn on my vent any time I use any toxic substances such as epoxy, super glue, paint, etc.

Ken 

Your patience is showing, very nice sculpting there!

Dom

Lol i always thought those cages were to assist non military types (and fatties like myself lol) into and out of the cockpit so they too can experience the interior of a fighter.

Hi, Cliff. Thanks for taking the time to provide those pictures.

Hey, isn't that cage meant to keep dorky looking guys out of the cockpit??!!  How did you get in there?

Russ

Funny, that's the same thing the security guy said as he pulled out his nightstick. I think he used the term 'punk' instead of 'dork' though. 

Still, it was worth it, the more I look at the photo the more I think I look like William Holden in 'The Bridges of Toko-Ri' ... 

Gamera

BTW: Finally got the photos from the Mighty Eighth Museum uploaded to PhotoBucket. Sorry it took so long, ISP problems and just putting things off, but they're up now. And a few photos of the aircraft on display on the USS Yorktown, I'm going to see about getting more Yorktown photos added.

Mighty Eighth Photos

 

And yes the dorky looking guy here is yours truly...

Hi, Cliff. Thanks for taking the time to provide those pictures.

Hey, isn't that cage meant to keep dorky looking guys out of the cockpit??!!  How did you get in there?

Russ

Thanks Ken, funny I've got a pile more of the Yorktown, just figured I'd post the aircraft related ones.  I love digital cameras, I can fit over 340 photos on a card the size of a matchbook so there's really no reason not to go 'snap-happy'!

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Here are the pictures that I promised last night.  In this picture you can see the difference in height from the original wheel well and the new Aires resin piece.  You can see the part of the left original wheel well in the left side of the picture.  That is the air brakes directly behind the wheel wells.

Here is a closer look at the Aires piece before I started work on it:

 Here is what it looke like after I ground it down as small as I could:

 Another view:

 And here is a picture of the other piece:

I mixed up some epoxy and glued the avionics bay back together.  Hopefully it will hold together so I can get started on the fuselage tomorrow.

By the way Dom, I always turn on my vent whenever I do any sanding or cutting on resin.  In fact, I turn on my vent any time I use any toxic substances such as epoxy, super glue, paint, etc.

Ken 

 

Hi, Ken! Looking good, bud! .

BTW, what kind of vent are you using? I adapted a range hood vent but it doesn't move much air.

Russ