First Annual Berny Memorial Group Build

Hi everyone.  I'm still alive, sorta..  This bug has gotten worse, so if you don't hear from me for a while it means they put me in the Hospital.  I managed to do a little putty sanding on the Revell kit and my wife surprised me with a new tube of green putty so I would stop "beotchin" about it. lol   Apparently the one who trashed the last tube eventually stepped up and paid for it.  Now I am getting the "Santa better be good to me this year" suckup face. lol

I saw Prometheus.  I really think my favorite scene was the funny one with Charlize Theron's character and the Prometheus captain on the bridge alone together.  Anyone whos seen it knows what scene i am talking about.  I found it hilarious.  I hope someone comes out with a model of the Prometheus.  I thought it was the coolest ship to come alone in the movies for quite some time.

Anyways, keep up the good work, I am off to have mu lunch of jello and chicken soup...

Rich

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

No work at the bench last night.  I had a friend over and we watched a couple of sci-fi movies and drank a couple of beers.  Hey Scorpio Mike, I watched an oldie, "Serenity".  I caught the line "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar".  I had seen that movie several years ago but before I had watched the series "Firefly".  Now that I have seen the series the movie made a lot more sense.

We also watched "Prometheus".  It is a prequel to the "Alien" movie.  I thought it was very good.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Russ,

I will start off with the base color and air brush the entire piece that color.  Then it is time to get out my very fine brush and paint the detail by hand.  I haven't looked yet but in a lot of cases the entire interior of these types of exposed areas were usually spray painted.   If that is the case then it will be a simple matter of adding a shadow effect to the detail by using arylic paint a few shades darker than the color of the interior on the detail areas and wiping it off.  It will leave behind the paint in the corners where the "shadows" would appear giving depth and highlighting the details.

Ken

Cool! I finally broke down and bought a compressor and spray kit so I'll use your project as a guine pig - guene pig - one of them little furry critters .

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Once again your research is as thorough as ever!

Ken

 

Thanks Ken!  But you're too kind. If my research had been thorough, I would have made the cut in the right place .

 

Russ

 

 

Now c'mon Russ, now you are talking like you expect to be perfect.  Anyone here who pretends to be that is lying.  You are being thorough in the fact that you caught it, and have a plan on how to correct it!

Ken

 

Ahh well, no bud, I don't expect to be perfect. I was just embarassed by your compliment - I don't handle compliments very well . 

 

Russ

Well I think you are doing a great job on that model!  A lot of scratch building and detailing that at least 90% of the modelers don't try to tackle.  So the compliment is heart felt!

Ken

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I opened up the Aires wheel well set for my F-4E and once again I am blown away by the level of detail!  Take a look:

Next it is off to the vinegar water bath to wash off the resin mold release agents that may be left on the parts.  Then I will cut off the resin mold bases and start fitting them into the kit parts.

Ken 

Wow, you've got some work ahead of you bud! That is terrific detail. Will you paint the detail by hand or mask and spray?

Russ

Hi Russ,

I will start off with the base color and air brush the entire piece that color.  Then it is time to get out my very fine brush and paint the detail by hand.  I haven't looked yet but in a lot of cases the entire interior of these types of exposed areas were usually spray painted.   If that is the case then it will be a simple matter of adding a shadow effect to the detail by using arylic paint a few shades darker than the color of the interior on the detail areas and wiping it off.  It will leave behind the paint in the corners where the "shadows" would appear giving depth and highlighting the details.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Once again your research is as thorough as ever!

Ken

 

Thanks Ken!  But you're too kind. If my research had been thorough, I would have made the cut in the right place .

 

Russ

 

 

Now c'mon Russ, now you are talking like you expect to be perfect.  Anyone here who pretends to be that is lying.  You are being thorough in the fact that you caught it, and have a plan on how to correct it!

Ken

Ahh well, no bud, I don't expect to be perfect. I was just embarassed by your compliment - I don't handle compliments very well . 

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Once again your research is as thorough as ever!

Ken

 

Thanks Ken!  But you're too kind. If my research had been thorough, I would have made the cut in the right place .

 

Russ

 

 

Now c'mon Russ, now you are talking like you expect to be perfect.  Anyone here who pretends to be that is lying.  You are being thorough in the fact that you caught it, and have a plan on how to correct it!

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

I opened up the Aires wheel well set for my F-4E and once again I am blown away by the level of detail!  Take a look:

Next it is off to the vinegar water bath to wash off the resin mold release agents that may be left on the parts.  Then I will cut off the resin mold bases and start fitting them into the kit parts.

Ken 

Wow, you've got some work ahead of you bud! That is terrific detail. Will you paint the detail by hand or mask and spray?

Russ

Hi Everyone,

I opened up the Aires wheel well set for my F-4E and once again I am blown away by the level of detail!  Take a look:

Next it is off to the vinegar water bath to wash off the resin mold release agents that may be left on the parts.  Then I will cut off the resin mold bases and start fitting them into the kit parts.

Ken 

Son Of Medicine Man

Once again your research is as thorough as ever!

Ken

Thanks Ken!  But you're too kind. If my research had been thorough, I would have made the cut in the right place .

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Thanks, Ken! .

You know, after I made the cuts, I reailzed I probably should have made the cut on the other side of the first engine nacel slot. Now I'll have to correct the angle of the engine when I install it.

Sigh.  Live and learn...

Russ

But would you?  I mean, wouldn't on the real aircraft when the wings drooped the engines also would be at an angle?

Ken

 

Actually, the engines are mounted to take this into account. The picture below is what I've been using as reference. Note the inboard engines actually still angle slightly outwards even with fuel on board.

 

Russ

 

Once again your research is as thorough as ever!

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Thanks, Ken! .

You know, after I made the cuts, I reailzed I probably should have made the cut on the other side of the first engine nacel slot. Now I'll have to correct the angle of the engine when I install it.

Sigh.  Live and learn...

Russ

 

But would you?  I mean, wouldn't on the real aircraft when the wings drooped the engines also would be at an angle?

Ken

Striker8241

Thanks, Ken! .

You know, after I made the cuts, I reailzed I probably should have made the cut on the other side of the first engine nacel slot. Now I'll have to correct the angle of the engine when I install it.

Sigh.  Live and learn...

Russ

But would you?  I mean, wouldn't on the real aircraft when the wings drooped the engines also would be at an angle?

Ken

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Striker8241

Hi, All,

Sorry I haven't posted any updates in a while. I've been struggling with these wings. And I thought the fuselage was difficult!  At any rate, I finally got the wings scribed (I decided not to scribe the undersides since they won't be seen anyway, so that saves a lot of work).

When I tried the wings on the fuselage I discovered that they don't have the necessary droop for the tip gear to touch properly. I read previously of one modeller's solution to this, but he cut slots in the top wing to insert strips of styrene. I didn't want to mess up the top so instead, I removed a 1 mm V-shaped strip on the underside of the wing (starting 135 mm from the top wing root), then weighted it down and glued the seam together.

The first try came out pretty good, as shown below. The cut is pretty ragged on this first wing since I was experimenting on just how wide to make the cut. I had to remove the flaps to do this, so check your droop before you install the flaps! . You may have to shorten the flaps slightly and institute a slight curve to match the wing's new curve, depending on where you make your cut.

 

Cheers,

Russ

Hi Russ,

Nice job!!  That droop looks very convincing and realistic!     

Ken

Hi, All,

Sorry I haven't posted any updates in a while. I've been struggling with these wings. And I thought the fuselage was difficult!  At any rate, I finally got the wings scribed (I decided not to scribe the undersides since they won't be seen anyway, so that saves a lot of work).

When I tried the wings on the fuselage I discovered that they don't have the necessary droop for the tip gear to touch properly. I read previously of one modeller's solution to this, but he cut slots in the top wing to insert strips of styrene. I didn't want to mess up the top so instead, I removed a 1 mm V-shaped strip on the underside of the wing (starting 135 mm from the top wing root), then weighted it down and glued the seam together.

[sn0ps] NOTE: After I made the cuts, I realized I should have made them on the outboard side of the first engine nacelle slot, to avoid having to correct the angle of the engine. I would make it so it parallels the nacelle slot and comes to the upper right corner of the flaps slot.

Disregard the above note - It now appears that cutting the wing after the outboard nacelle would cause problems with the ailerons if you decide to separate them. Anyway, the anticipated problem mentioned above didn't materialize - the engines look fine and the amount of droop is just right.

The first try came out pretty good, as shown below. The cut is pretty ragged on this first wing since I was experimenting on just how wide to make the cut. I had to remove the flaps to do this, so check your droop before you install the flaps! . You may have to shorten the flaps slightly and institute a slight curve to match the wing's new curve, depending on where you make your cut.

Cheers,

Russ

Hi Everyone,

No work at the bench last night.  I had a friend over and we watched a couple of sci-fi movies and drank a couple of beers.  Hey Scorpio Mike, I watched an oldie, "Serenity".  I caught the line "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar".  I had seen that movie several years ago but before I had watched the series "Firefly".  Now that I have seen the series the movie made a lot more sense.

We also watched "Prometheus".  It is a prequel to the "Alien" movie.  I thought it was very good.

Ken

Bockscar

Okay, here are the shots of my F-4P recent updates:

and the "moving Target" 'shoe-horn':

How do you cut the pattern for that mess.....shiiish ka bob, Barney,,,,,,,slave effort on that one....

That's the pattern i drew by eye,

I'll keep you updated......SO exciting friends......

Dom

Hi Dom,

Nice work there Mr. Scratch!  The artist in you coming out for sure!     

Ken

Bockscar

I love aircraft carriers.....

Russ, i don't know if you've had the pleasure of meeting Rex, AKA Tarnship.

He has every shade of Navy Grey memorized, and his challenge was to build a model of every Navy aircraft that served.

Another great guy is Tankerbuilder.

If you ever decide to build that carrier, those are the guys.

Dom

Thanks, Dom! It's really only a dream, my friend. I doubt I will ever have the time to get back into building a carrier again. If I get tired of aircraft, I still have a 3-foot half-built USS Constitution waiting for me . But I will keep these guys in mind.

Bockscar

Russ:

That F-4 build is a Revell 1/32 Phantom from way back a' when.

Here's the link to the J-79 engine build here on FSM, not sure you got that:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/44/t/144655.aspx

Struggling with work and time to get this putty-bird done and

move on to OOB builds....lol

Dom

My God, that's fantastic scratchbuilding, Dom! I saw pieces of your work in the GB but this is the first time I've seen the whole build. That is some innovative use of available resources too! .

Russ:

That F-4 build is a Revell 1/32 Phantom from way back a' when.

Here's the link to the J-79 engine build here on FSM, not sure you got that:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/44/t/144655.aspx

Struggling with work and time to get this putty-bird done and

move on to OOB builds....lol

Dom

Gamera

Ken: dang, I didn't know you were cutting ALL the control surfaces off, as I've said before she's gonna really be something worn done.

MikeM: nice work there. Btw seems that recent research is showing panzers in the Battle of France had dark brown camo patches randomly applied. Tigerman's Blitz GB had more discussion on this.

BTW I love the quote from Oddball; one of my all time favorite movies!

Bockscar

Okay, here are the shots of my F-4P recent updates:

and the "moving Target" 'shoe-horn':

How do you cut the pattern for that mess.....shiiish ka bob, Barney,,,,,,,slave effort on that one....

That's the pattern i drew by eye,

I'll keep you updated......SO exciting friends......

Dom

Heyyyyy, that's looking nice, Dom!   I've forgotten - what scale is that?

Russ

Okay, here are the shots of my F-4P recent updates:

and the "moving Target" 'shoe-horn':

How do you cut the pattern for that mess.....shiiish ka bob, Barney,,,,,,,slave effort on that one....

That's the pattern i drew by eye,

I'll keep you updated......SO exciting friends......

Dom

I love aircraft carriers.....

Russ, i don't know if you've had the pleasure of meeting Rex, AKA Tarnship.

He has every shade of Navy Grey memorized, and his challenge was to build a model of every Navy aircraft that served.

Another great guy is Tankerbuilder.

If you ever decide to build that carrier, those are the guys.

Dom

Great pictures, Dom! Thanks!  Dang, makes me want to build one ...

Russ

Here's a comparison of the fore-deck and bow of the Oriskany:

and here it is with the modified front end to prevent the swells from ripping off the forward flight deck:

See all those beauty aircraft....and the new angled deck....I wish I had that one for my Yacht Club head Quarters...

Check this out,

someone found a T-32/34 at the bottom of a lake and pulled it out!:

http://englishrussia.com/2006/09/17/russian-tank-recovered-from-the-lake-after-50-years-been-there/

Captured by the Germans, probably fell through the ice.

Dom

mikeymize

Striker8241

mikeymize

I have decided to get started on the HobbyBoss MiG-17 1/48 scale. It will be Soviet markings /NMF. First though I must finish up a side project, something I don't normally build: armor. ~

That's gonna look neat, Mike. I haven't built any armor kits since the 60's. My last kit was the Renwal Atomic Cannon. I think it was 1/32 scale but it was really big (about 3 ft long with the tractors connected). Sure wish I still had it... .

Russ

   Atomic cannon? That sounds like a 1950's Sci-Fi weapon, one that I too would like. I think I actually remember the one you're talking about. I have a great affinity for post WW2/ Cold War stuff like that. All the radical concepts like the pogo and the hovercraft for one soldier, wish I could remember it's name...anyway, back to reality. I've not had much time this week at my bench but have squeezed in an hour or so and plan on being done with the Panzer by Sat. morning. I'll post pics when finished. It was a nice diversion from wings but won't be doing another for a while; if only cause this darn MiG looks pretty daunting.

That's starting to look downright Nazty. I always want to have a huge mud covered diorama table the size of garage covered in panzers, T-32's, Shermans and a few Centurions and M-47 Pattons thrown in.

As for MiGs being daunting, I'll never forget that interview with Craig Cunningham talking about his encounters with the bastiges.

i am now the proud owner of a few MiGs of merit. They are so ugly they are beautiful, but for my warped sense of esthetics, my favourite ugly plane is the Grumman A-6 Intuder. It's the ugliest. i hope I get one for Christmas just to remind me.....

My pleasure, Dom!

Russ

Striker8241

mikeymize

Striker8241

mikeymize

I have decided to get started on the HobbyBoss MiG-17 1/48 scale. It will be Soviet markings /NMF. First though I must finish up a side project, something I don't normally build: armor. ~

That's gonna look neat, Mike. I haven't built any armor kits since the 60's. My last kit was the Renwal Atomic Cannon. I think it was 1/32 scale but it was really big (about 3 ft long with the tractors connected). Sure wish I still had it... .

Russ

   Atomic cannon? That sounds like a 1950's Sci-Fi weapon, one that I too would like. I think I actually remember the one you're talking about. I have a great affinity for post WW2/ Cold War stuff like that. ~

 

That looks like a neat kit but a lot of work, Mike. Just FYI, apparently Revell is re-issuing the atomic cannon kit. Here's a link to a review of the kit:

 

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/rm/kit_rm_7811.shtml

 

Russ

Here's one of the many great shots on that Site:

Thanks for the link Russ!

Dom