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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:48 PM

Now Ken;

We all know that research has shown, by a million scientists, that birds flap their wings and that offsets damaging global weather effects.

We also know, that research has shown, by 10 million scientists, that bird poop is critical to enriching the nutrient soil infrastructure of urban, city, and country areas, and that millions of farm animals would starve every year because the nutrient replenishment within critical high turn over soil matrix complexes is severely compromised by recreational and industrial activities that impose toxic intrusions into an otherwise healthy and sustainable bio-environment.

errrr.....we do believe in recylcing, so i featherd a few of those squab an' we rosted 'em and washed 'em down with beer and the company of sleezy female folk.Big Smile

Thanks for the windfall Ken!Pirate

Dom

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Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:41 PM

Hey Ken,  I was just getting some final stuff done on my other model (VNAF A-1) and saw your request for a full view of the tank. Glad to oblige. Hope this one will work!

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:37 PM

Gamera

Guys, just got back home, and am typing this finally on a real keyboard instead of a tiny friggen' smartphone!!!

Lemme first say great work all around guys, love what you've got going there Ken and MikeM.

Rich: Seriously hope you're feeling better soon, sounds really rough.

MikeM: well Alclad needs an undercoat since it's 'hot' enough to attack the plastic. MM Metalizer does not need an undercoat and I'm not sure about Talon. For the Alclad I just spray down a good coat of MM gloss black. You really need the gloss black only for a super shiny chrome look but I generally use it anyway, it's easier to make it duller than shiner. Frankly a coat or two of Tamiya primer works fine as an undercoat as well.

Bad news though, the Mighty Eighth Air Force Museum in Pooler, Ga only has a handful of aircraft.  

B-17 being restored

Mig-17 on grounds

F-4 on grounds

B-47 Stratojet on grounds

Trainer (forgot which model)

Two replicas of a P-51 and a Bf109

I snapped photos of pretty much everything, will try to get them uploaded to photobucket soonish.

Gosh Cliff, totally unacceptable!...we were hoping for a few thousand pics of a few hundred aircraft!Big Smile

You're right about Alclad, it's 95% solvent, 4% resin, and 1% metal powder.

Glad yer' back!

Dom

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:28 PM

Guys, just got back home, and am typing this finally on a real keyboard instead of a tiny friggen' smartphone!!!

Lemme first say great work all around guys, love what you've got going there Ken and MikeM.

Rich: Seriously hope you're feeling better soon, sounds really rough.

MikeM: well Alclad needs an undercoat since it's 'hot' enough to attack the plastic. MM Metalizer does not need an undercoat and I'm not sure about Talon. For the Alclad I just spray down a good coat of MM gloss black. You really need the gloss black only for a super shiny chrome look but I generally use it anyway, it's easier to make it duller than shiner. Frankly a coat or two of Tamiya primer works fine as an undercoat as well.

Bad news though, the Mighty Eighth Air Force Museum in Pooler, Ga only has a handful of aircraft.  

B-17 being restored

Mig-17 on grounds

F-4 on grounds

B-47 Stratojet on grounds

Trainer (forgot which model)

Two replicas of a P-51 and a Bf109

I snapped photos of pretty much everything, will try to get them uploaded to photobucket soonish.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:28 PM

Bockscar

NIce

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Today was a busy day.  First I washed the Aires wheel bay set with the vinegar and water solution.  Next I cut off the resin base stub from the front wheel well:

Another thing I plan to install is the Verlinden open avionics panel:

It also has excess resin that needed to be removed:

 

Here it is with the excess removed:

 The Aires cockpit includes the side panels that are molded into the sides of the fuselage as shown in the next two pictures:

And here is the fuselage halves with the molded instruments filed off:

 

Ken 

Very nice resin parts, but you have to line up those pictures with the picture frame orthogonally, because when I scroll them to fast i get motion sickness.Ick!....lol....

Great job cleaning up those intake duct areas.

By the way, I found a dozen or so dead birds on my lawn, resin dust poisoning Ken.

Shame on you....lol....Big Smile

Dom

Thanks for the compliments Dom!

(As far as the birds are concerned, they are filthy disease carrying pooping varmits!  Stick out tongue )

Ken

 

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:10 PM

NIce

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Today was a busy day.  First I washed the Aires wheel bay set with the vinegar and water solution.  Next I cut off the resin base stub from the front wheel well:

Another thing I plan to install is the Verlinden open avionics panel:

It also has excess resin that needed to be removed:

 

Here it is with the excess removed:

 The Aires cockpit includes the side panels that are molded into the sides of the fuselage as shown in the next two pictures:

And here is the fuselage halves with the molded instruments filed off:

 

Ken 

Very nice resin parts, but you have to line up those measurement graph lines with the picture frame orthogonally, because when I scroll them to fast i get motion sickness.Ick!....lol....

Great job cleaning up those intake duct areas.

By the way, I found a dozen or so dead birds on my lawn, resin dust poisoning Ken.

Shame on you....lol....Big Smile

Dom

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:57 PM

Hi Everyone,

Today was a busy day.  First I washed the Aires wheel bay set with the vinegar and water solution.  Next I cut off the resin base stub from the front wheel well:

Another thing I plan to install is the Verlinden open avionics panel:

It also has excess resin that needed to be removed:

 

Here it is with the excess removed:

 The Aires cockpit includes the side panels that are molded into the sides of the fuselage as shown in the next two pictures:

And here is the fuselage halves with the molded instruments filed off:

 

Ken 

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:15 PM

Striker8241

Bockscar

That was the last time I ever used super-glue, I got so sick we thought I had contracted asthma.

Dom

 
Dom, what do you use in place of super glue?
 
Russ

Russ;

There is no replacement that comes close, but I have used various acrylic polymers for different situations.

Future Floor finish works pretty good, as the basic polymer in super glue is an acrylic base. I have tried this thick stuff, Gator's Grip, but it is thick like Elmer's White glue.

I can't really do resin work or anything that requires a strong bond and is able to fill gaps through capillary action.

Of course, over the years I have found any bond made with super glue to be very fickle, it is easy to snap, and then you can't use regular glue to fix it until you remove all of the cyanoacrylate first.

My ultimate glue is MEK for styrene, followed by lacquer thinners(toluene) and anything from industrial acrylic sealer to epoxy for the rest. There are glues that use acetone as a solvent, and they are good for non-gap situations, they sometimes come filled with iron or aluminum or copper.

I didn't realize that even a small whiff of cyano, and I have lung disease for half a year.

Dom

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:31 PM

Striker8241

Thanks, Ken! Big Smile

You are more than welcome Russ!  Smile 

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:23 PM

Thanks, Ken! Big Smile

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 6:10 PM

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Russ,

It is cool to use acrylics on top of enamel.  That is in fact what I use.  I use "Xtra Color" enamel because it comes in gloss, which is the best choice if you are going to use a wash on top.  The wash will wipe cleanly off of a gloss finish.

Ken

 
Hey, Ken,
 
That sounds good. Where can I get acrylics reasonalby cheap?

Thanks,

Russ

Hi Russ,

My favorite place is Scale Hobbyist, but you need to buy at least 5 bottles to make up for the price of the shipping.  Less than that then Sprue Brothers.  Here is a link to Scale Hobbyist:

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/manufacturers/Testors_Models_and_Paints/Paints/browse.php?s=3&t=1&micr=212&pg=1&ppp=24&sb=stocknumber&so=a&man=tes 

And here is a link to Sprue Brothers:

http://store.spruebrothers.com/category_s/1982.htm 

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:59 PM

mikeymize

Hello once again all. Just a quick question concerning NMF. I have used an undercoat of gloss black before but it's been years ago.If I'm using any kind of metalizer type paint is it advantageous to do this?

Also, thanks for the comments on the Panzer, Ken and yes I would be more than happy to have it on the first page.

Hi Mike M,

Do you have a picture of your Panzer II with the entire tank in the picture?

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:58 PM

Bockscar

That was the last time I ever used super-glue, I got so sick we thought I had contracted asthma.

Dom

 
Dom, what do you use in place of super glue?
 
Russ

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:55 PM

mikeymize

Hello once again all. Just a quick question concerning NMF. I have used an undercoat of gloss black before but it's been years ago.If I'm using any kind of metalizer type paint is it advantageous to do this?

Also, thanks for the comments on the Panzer, Ken and yes I would be more than happy to have it on the first page.

Hi Mike M,

I have never painted NMF, but I did have a lengthy email discussion with one of the engineers of Alclad on the subject.  If you are going for a nice shiney finish using Alclad, you will need to use their black base.  But I believe Cliff has some experience painting NMF so he can probably give you some personal experience tips.

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:53 PM

mikeymize

    Well, it looks I have some catching up to do; so far everyone's projects are looking great. I'm amazed at the level of expertise and am somewhat humble by it to be honest. I look at it though, as a chance to learn some techniques that may be new and to appreciate all this hobby of ours has to offer.

    As promised I have the finals shots of my "diversion" ,aka Panzer II. It was a pretty straightforward build as  many Tamiya ones are. That's good too cause I was definitely out of my comfort zone doing this. I also remembered what I hate about tanks: TREADS! They're kind of like armors' version of canopies for me. I did screw up on the tiny decals and had to wing it with what was left on the sheet but other than that and the aforementioned tracks it was a nice change.....now to the real build; the dreaded MiG 17!  

 
Nice job, Mike! In fact, it pretty darn near looks real!
 
Russ

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:48 PM

Sparrowhyperion

Hi everyone.  I'm still alive, sorta..  This bug has gotten worse, so if you don't hear from me for a while it means they put me in the Hospital.  I managed to do a little putty sanding on the Revell kit and my wife surprised me with a new tube of green putty so I would stop "beotchin" about it. lol   Apparently the one who trashed the last tube eventually stepped up and paid for it.  Now I am getting the "Santa better be good to me this year" suckup face. lol

Hey, Rich,

Sorry to hear that. Hope you can shake this thing without going to the hospital. Get well soon!

Russ

 

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:45 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Russ,

It is cool to use acrylics on top of enamel.  That is in fact what I use.  I use "Xtra Color" enamel because it comes in gloss, which is the best choice if you are going to use a wash on top.  The wash will wipe cleanly off of a gloss finish.

Ken

 
Hey, Ken,
 
That sounds good. Where can I get acrylics reasonalby cheap?

Thanks,

Russ

 

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    September 2010
  • From: California
Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:39 PM

Hello once again all. Just a quick question concerning NMF. I have used an undercoat of gloss black before but it's been years ago.If I'm using any kind of metalizer type paint is it advantageous to do this?

Also, thanks for the comments on the Panzer, Ken and yes I would be more than happy to have it on the first page.

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:35 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Once again your research is as thorough as ever!

Ken

 
Thanks Ken!  But you're too kind. If my research had been thorough, I would have made the cut in the right place Big Smile.
 
Russ
 
 

Now c'mon Russ, now you are talking like you expect to be perfect.  Anyone here who pretends to be that is lying.  You are being thorough in the fact that you caught it, and have a plan on how to correct it!

Ken

For what it's worth, the BUFF wingroot is very robust, and from the fuselage to the first engine it is designed to be very rigid, so Russ is right in his analysis of where the 'bend' begins. I used a different approach, and the wings on my BUFF reflect the opposite or upward arc. I 'trained' the wings in a dry-fit truss before gluing, and put long aluminum spars the entire length of the wings.

Those long pieces of aluminum were pre-bent starting at the inboard engines and matched the dry-fit training of the wings themselves. Wen everything was satisfactory i used cyanoacrylate to seal the whole shebang up, and must of used and ounce in each wing in progressive stages to ensure the aluminum struts were 'stuck real good' to the insides of the wing.

That was the last time I ever used super-glue, I got so sick we thought I had contracted asthma.

It turned out okay.

This crft is as persnickity as watch making, so the most important thing is not to get ourselves too bent out of shape when we take a wrong turn in the process. i think what makes it so humbling is that, as Ken said, none of us are perfect, but we do what all men instinctively do, and strive for perfection.

Dom

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Posted by Bockscar on Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:15 PM

Striker8241

Bockscar

Russ:

That F-4 build is a Revell 1/32 Phantom from way back a' when.

Here's the link to the J-79 engine build here on FSM, not sure you got that:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/44/t/144655.aspx

Struggling with work and time to get this putty-bird done and

move on to OOB builds....lol

Dom

 
My God, that's fantastic scratchbuilding, Dom! I saw pieces of your work in the GB but this is the first time I've seen the whole build. That is some innovative use of available resources too! Big Smile.
 
Outstanding effort, bud. I can't wait to see it finished!
 
Russ

Thanks for that Russ, very much appreciated!

The life-saver on that project was to get my swollen cranium

around the idea that my scratch work didn't have to have closer tolerances

or accuracy Than the original, as some of the engineering mistakes on that Revell

kit were down right Aurora.

Dom

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:05 PM

Hi Guys.  I put up the thread for this years Secret Santa Build.  Here is the link.

cs.finescale.com/.../150747.aspx

Let me know if you are interested.  And please feel free to pass the address around.

In the Hangar: 1/48 Hobby Boss F/A-18D RAAF Hornet,

On the Tarmac:  F4U-1D RNZAF Corsair 1/48 Scale.

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56 PM

Hey Dom,

Heads up buddy!  I am about to do some cutting and sanding on some resin with the exhaust fan on!  So bring your children and pets indoors!  Big Smile  Dead  Storm  Ick!  Lightning 

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:51 PM

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

One other thing I forgot to mention is the fact that along with the acrylic paint you should mix some water and dish soap.  It is called a sludge mix.  It makes it easier to wipe off when it is dry.  There are a few articles out there about how to do it.  When I go to do mine I will dig one up and post it.

Ken

 
Duly noted, and thanks, Ken!  I would like to use acrylics but unfortunately, I started with enamel so I will finish this project with enamels. But the next one I will convert to acrylics.
 
Cheers,
 
Russ

Hi Russ,

It is cool to use acrylics on top of enamel.  That is in fact what I use.  I use "Xtra Color" enamel because it comes in gloss, which is the best choice if you are going to use a wash on top.  The wash will wipe cleanly off of a gloss finish.

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:47 PM

Son Of Medicine Man

One other thing I forgot to mention is the fact that along with the acrylic paint you should mix some water and dish soap.  It is called a sludge mix.  It makes it easier to wipe off when it is dry.  There are a few articles out there about how to do it.  When I go to do mine I will dig one up and post it.

Ken

 
Duly noted, and thanks, Ken!  I would like to use acrylics but unfortunately, I started with enamel so I will finish this project with enamels. But the next one I will convert to acrylics.
 
Cheers,
 
Russ

 

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:37 PM

mikeymize

    Well, it looks I have some catching up to do; so far everyone's projects are looking great. I'm amazed at the level of expertise and am somewhat humble by it to be honest. I look at it though, as a chance to learn some techniques that may be new and to appreciate all this hobby of ours has to offer.

    As promised I have the finals shots of my "diversion" ,aka Panzer II. It was a pretty straightforward build as  many Tamiya ones are. That's good too cause I was definitely out of my comfort zone doing this. I also remembered what I hate about tanks: TREADS! They're kind of like armors' version of canopies for me. I did screw up on the tiny decals and had to wing it with what was left on the sheet but other than that and the aforementioned tracks it was a nice change.....now to the real build; the dreaded MiG 17!    

Hi Mike M,

Very nice Panzer II!  And by the way, armor is allowed in this build, so if you would like, I would be more than happy to post it on the front page.  Smile 

Don't be concerned about skill level here.  I think we all have something to learn from each other.  The main focus is to have fun and enjoy each other's company while doing it!  Smile 

Ken

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Posted by mikeymize on Saturday, November 3, 2012 2:49 PM

    Well, it looks I have some catching up to do; so far everyone's projects are looking great. I'm amazed at the level of expertise and am somewhat humble by it to be honest. I look at it though, as a chance to learn some techniques that may be new and to appreciate all this hobby of ours has to offer.

    As promised I have the finals shots of my "diversion" ,aka Panzer II. It was a pretty straightforward build as  many Tamiya ones are. That's good too cause I was definitely out of my comfort zone doing this. I also remembered what I hate about tanks: TREADS! They're kind of like armors' version of canopies for me. I did screw up on the tiny decals and had to wing it with what was left on the sheet but other than that and the aforementioned tracks it was a nice change.....now to the real build; the dreaded MiG 17!    

"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time".


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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:58 AM

One other thing I forgot to mention is the fact that along with the acrylic paint you should mix some water and dish soap.  It is called a sludge mix.  It makes it easier to wipe off when it is dry.  There are a few articles out there about how to do it.  When I go to do mine I will dig one up and post it.

Ken

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  • From: Lafayette, Indiana
Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:54 AM

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man
Well I think you are doing a great job on that model!  A lot of scratch building and detailing that at least 90% of the modelers don't try to tackle.  So the compliment is heart felt!

Ken

 
Thanks, Ken. Very much appreciated! Big Smile.
 
Russ

You are very welcome Russ!  Smile 

Ken

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Posted by Son Of Medicine Man on Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:54 AM

Sparrowhyperion

Hi everyone.  I'm still alive, sorta..  This bug has gotten worse, so if you don't hear from me for a while it means they put me in the Hospital.  I managed to do a little putty sanding on the Revell kit and my wife surprised me with a new tube of green putty so I would stop "beotchin" about it. lol   Apparently the one who trashed the last tube eventually stepped up and paid for it.  Now I am getting the "Santa better be good to me this year" suckup face. lol

I saw Prometheus.  I really think my favorite scene was the funny one with Charlize Theron's character and the Prometheus captain on the bridge alone together.  Anyone whos seen it knows what scene i am talking about.  I found it hilarious.  I hope someone comes out with a model of the Prometheus.  I thought it was the coolest ship to come alone in the movies for quite some time.

Anyways, keep up the good work, I am off to have mu lunch of jello and chicken soup...

Rich

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

No work at the bench last night.  I had a friend over and we watched a couple of sci-fi movies and drank a couple of beers.  Hey Scorpio Mike, I watched an oldie, "Serenity".  I caught the line "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar".  I had seen that movie several years ago but before I had watched the series "Firefly".  Now that I have seen the series the movie made a lot more sense.

We also watched "Prometheus".  It is a prequel to the "Alien" movie.  I thought it was very good.

Ken

Gosh darn Rich, I hope you can avoid the hospital!  I am rooting for you!

Ken

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Posted by Striker8241 on Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:48 AM

Son Of Medicine Man
Well I think you are doing a great job on that model!  A lot of scratch building and detailing that at least 90% of the modelers don't try to tackle.  So the compliment is heart felt!

Ken

 
Thanks, Ken. Very much appreciated! Big Smile.
 
Russ

 

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