jimbot58

Also missing is a round vent along side the nose gear bay- I'm trying to craft a small piece of brass tubing for this. There are also engraved lines where this goes, but nothing provided in the kit.

Looking good, Jim!  One thing you might try for this vent if the brass tubing doesn't work out is some aluminum foil. Once you get it into the shape you want, coat it with layers of superglue to give it strength.

BTW, What kit and scale is this? The detail looks impressive.

Russ

Bockscar

Russ:

Sorry for being so cryptic:

That is my F-4G in those links:

No problem, Dom. I figured there was some hidden meaning there that my fuzzy logic couldn't unravel  . What kit did you have that had such bad warpage? I plan to buy an F4 and I'll want to avoid that one.

Russ

Striker8241

Striker8241

For all you F-105 buffs - When I was stationed at Takhli, Thailand, we got a new F-105F two-seater aircraft fitted with a Halicrafters communications jamming system called Combat Martin. It consisted primarily of a large rectangular electronics cabinet that took up the whole rear seat.

I will continue to look for a picture of the actual "computer" installed in place of the rear seat. The rear ejection seat and control column were removed.

As I recall, the box was about twice as big as a large desktop computer. It came to just below the lip of the cockpit.  I think it could jam up to 15 channels and possibly it was under control of a very rudimentary computer-like circuit - many commenters refer to the box as a computer. However, we had other jammers that could lock on and automatically jam an enemy transmission without any computer control.  

Instead of barrage jamming a frequency, each circuit detected an enemy radio transmission, delayed it slightly and then retransmitted it, producing a highly garbled version in the receiving controller's headset (and anyone else's listening). As far as I know, there was only the single box and the antenna in the system. The box was a light, almost sandy olive drab color and was featureless except for a grill on the front and cables connected to the back.

The systems weren't around long and I don't remember how many cables or exactly where they were connected. They would be at the rear of the unit and there would have been at least a cable for power (probably 1/2 to 1 inch in diameter) and a 3/4 in diameter coaxial cable going to the antenna.

Here's an interesting quote from a site called "Plastic Wings" (http://www.plasticwings.be/F-105FG/F-105FG.html): "Rumour has it that because of the peculiar noise of the jammed communications, one of the aircraft received the not so flattering (flatulent would be a more befitting expression) name of "Fartin' Martin".

Thank you once again for the information and the link!  Great stuff!  I just can't get enough of it.

Ken

jimbot58

A few issues with my A-7 has turned up: While studying the drawings for the AM decals I'm using I noticed several omissions. First was this antenna/fairing that the kit instruction neither showed or mentioned, but was included with the kit. I just cemented it into it's place.

Just this side of it, is where an oblong vent should be-you can see the marking where it belongs. I'll add something there to represent it.

Also missing are several blade antenna on the belly- some spares from completed F-4 kits will provide those.

Two pitot tubes just below the canopy/wind screen are missing. I have some spares from a failed f-15C that are very similar to me will be used here.

Also missing is a round vent along side the nose gear bay- I'm trying to craft a small piece of brass tubing for this. There are also engraved lines where this goes, but nothing provided in the kit.

I might have to make a trip to the Wings museum this weekend to look at the real thing....

Nice work there Jim!  It looks like you are going all out to make this as authentic as possible.  Very cool!  By the way, how are things going for you?

Ken

Russ:

Sorry for being so cryptic:

That is my F-4G in those links:

The combination of inaccuracy and warping forced me to use two tubes of Squadron Putty.

I can't remember whom it was, but they nick-named my bird the F-4P, i.e. F-4Putty, in honour of all the puttying and sanding I have been doing on it.

New cost cutting measures

US Navy got some new carriers?

Bockscar

F-4P:

Russ;

The F-4P got started in the The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/134344.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=22

and

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/134344.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=31

and

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/134344.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=79

I don't know, Dom. I searched for "F-4P" in the first link and it says there's 1 match but it doesn't highlight it and I can't find it. I didn't see anyting related to F-4P in the other two links. Spell it out for me pls .

F-4P:

Russ;

The F-4P got started in the The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/134344.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=22

and

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/134344.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=31

and

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/134344.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=79

Striker8241

For all you F-105 buffs - When I was stationed at Takhli, Thailand, we got a new F-105F two-seater aircraft fitted with a Halicrafters communications jamming system called Combat Martin. It consisted primarily of a large rectangular electronics cabinet that took up the whole rear seat.

I will continue to look for a picture of the actual "computer" installed in place of the rear seat. The rear ejection seat and control column were removed.

As I recall, the box was about twice as big as a large desktop computer. It came to just below the lip of the cockpit.  I think it could jam up to 15 channels and possibly it was under control of a very rudimentary computer-like circuit - many commenters refer to the box as a computer. However, we had other jammers that could lock on and automatically jam an enemy transmission without any computer control.  

Instead of barrage jamming a frequency, each circuit detected an enemy radio transmission, delayed it slightly and then retransmitted it, producing a highly garbled version in the receiving controller's headset (and anyone else's listening). As far as I know, there was only the single box and the antenna in the system. The box was a light, almost sandy olive drab color and was featureless except for a grill on the front and cables connected to the back.

The systems weren't around long and I don't remember how many cables or exactly where they were connected. They would be at the rear of the unit and there would have been at least a cable for power (probably 1/2 to 1 inch in diameter) and a 3/4 in diameter coaxial cable going to the antenna.

Here's an interesting quote from a site called "Plastic Wings" (http://www.plasticwings.be/F-105FG/F-105FG.html): "Rumour has it that because of the peculiar noise of the jammed communications, one of the aircraft received the not so flattering (flatulent would be a more befitting expression) name of "Fartin' Martin".

A few issues with my A-7 has turned up: While studying the drawings for the AM decals I'm using I noticed several omissions. First was this antenna/fairing that the kit instruction neither showed or mentioned, but was included with the kit. I just cemented it into it's place.

Just this side of it, is where an oblong vent should be-you can see the marking where it belongs. I'll add something there to represent it.

Also missing are several blade antenna on the belly- some spares from completed F-4 kits will provide those.

Two pitot tubes just below the canopy/wind screen are missing. I have some spares from a failed f-15C that are very similar to me will be used here.

Also missing is a round vent along side the nose gear bay- I'm trying to craft a small piece of brass tubing for this. There are also engraved lines where this goes, but nothing provided in the kit.

I might have to make a trip to the Wings museum this weekend to look at the real thing....

Striker8241

For all you F-105 buffs - When I was stationed at Takhli, Thailand, we got a new F-105F two-seater aircraft fitted with a Halicrafters communications jamming system called Combat Martin. It consisted primarily of a large rectangular electronics cabinet that took up the whole rear seat. It was intended to jam the North Vietnamese fighter control network, and it worked very well - too well in fact. It shut down any intelligence gathering by the NSA, which they strongly objected to and the program was squelched immediately.

The pictures below are the only ones I've been able to find so far. They don/t show the jammer but they do show the large square jamming antenna located behind the cockpit.

While there were several aircraft modified, only one mission was flown before the program was shut down. The tail number of this aircraft is 62-4444 but I don't know if it flew the mission.

 It would be an interesting and very unique model.

Russ

Hi Russ,

I do have the F-105F on my list of aircraft "to do".  You have my attention!

Ken

Bockscar

It must have been all the MEK and acetone fumes from putty,

I started work on the F-4P yesterday,

I had to delaminate a wing section and resculpt the leading edges,

one was dished pretty bad, but putty and sandpaper helped.

Also, I got the intake ducts kind of sorted out.

What I really need to do is figure out the sequence of assembly,

the ducts are squishy and need to be clam-shelled into place.

Smelling Tamiya thin cement, with that sweet candy-apple aroma.......

Hi Dom,

Very cool to hear that you have started back on that project!  I won't spoil the fun of telling Russ what the special version of F-4 you are working on.  I will leave that up to you!

Ken

Thats cool Russ. Ive been a fan of the Thud ever since dad bought home a line drawing he did of one at work. Always though the cut back intakes were really odd and cool.

Dad did a bunch of drawings for me when i was a kid. Intruder, Thud, Skyraider, etc.

Unfortunatly most of them got destroyed through several moves and a destructive child (I was a quiet destroyer as a kid. Mild mannered but loved pulling stuff apart)

For all you F-105 buffs - When I was stationed at Takhli, Thailand, we got a new F-105F two-seater aircraft fitted with a Halicrafters communications jamming system called Combat Martin. It consisted primarily of a large rectangular electronics cabinet that took up the whole rear seat. It was intended to jam the North Vietnamese fighter control network, and it worked very well - too well in fact. It shut down any intelligence gathering by the NSA, which they strongly objected to and the program was squelched immediately.

The pictures below are the only ones I've been able to find so far. They don/t show the jammer but they do show the large square jamming antenna located behind the cockpit.

While there were several aircraft modified, only one mission was flown before the program was shut down. The tail number of this aircraft is 62-4444 but I don't know if it flew the mission.

 It would be an interesting and very unique model.

Russ

Bockscar

I started work on the F-4P yesterday,

It must have been all the MEK and acetone fumes from putty,

I started work on the F-4P yesterday,

I had to delaminate a wing section and resculpt the leading edges,

one was dished pretty bad, but putty and sandpaper helped.

Also, I got the intake ducts kind of sorted out.

What I really need to do is figure out the sequence of assembly,

the ducts are squishy and need to be clam-shelled into place.

Smelling Tamiya thin cement, with that sweet candy-apple aroma.......

Man, you ought to go into business making replacement parts for folks who lost theirs.  I used to do resin as craft when I was a kid, but I am no good at prototyping parts.  These look really really good.  I can hardly wait to start this baby...

Rich

Bockscar

Rich, it's been a pleasure;

Last shot of the struts, shissh,

a main-gear bracket:

and another, I hope that is it for scratch on this kit:

I over built the top layer, and it

is biased because Heller used it to support the upper wing

half and maintain the correct cross-section.  Heller's crappy part was thinner than my

smiling veneer.... so I beefed it up a bit:

What an entertaining day off!

I've just gone into the aircraft bracket business....lol

I might put these on an 'ITCHIN' FOR SCRATCH' post......

I actually started sanding an re-sculpting my F-4P wingset...lol

What ever it takes....

Many thanks guys!

Really appreciated!

Those were mostly inside parts, soze' ya' nevr' see'em' ...lol'll'll'

They are ugly but meet the manufacturer's specifications

for quality, "quality?, what quality???, go some where else son...'.lol

yeah, I hate see'in a perfectly dysfunctional kit, older'n your shoes,

older'n your best jacket.......older'n............ your gal.....wait a minute....

that kit was only 30 years or so old.......any yooooze gotta a real 'ole

gal like that....LOL......

yeah, Klem, sheeez don' neeer thirty.......oldernn' dirt, an' not

half' uzzz pretty.....lol....

Yeah, bring it on....BRING IT ON......I can fix any styrene thing....phhht....pphhhht....

phhhht....phhhtttt.....smack....smack....lol....

Yeah, yeah.....time is money......yeah........

I got no money......

but I got lot'sa time.........yeah......phhhtt....phhhhtttt......I wish!

So, if you get stuck, let me know. I might not build it myself...lol...

but I will 'do my best' to help anyone build anything, ........

Bockscar

Rich, it's been a pleasure;

Last shot of the struts, shissh,

a main-gear bracket:

and another, I hope that is it for scratch on this kit:

I over built the top layer, and it

is biased because Heller used it to support the upper wing

half and maintain the correct cross-section.  Heller's crappy part was thinner than my

smiling veneer.... so I beefed it up a bit:

What an entertaining day off!

I've just gone into the aircraft bracket business....lol

I might put these on an 'ITCHIN' FOR SCRATCH' post......

I actually started sanding an re-sculpting my F-4P wingset...lol

What ever it takes....

Dang! Beatiful work, Dom!  Now I know who to call when I lose a critical part ...   (notice I said "when", not "if"...).

Nice job Dom!  Looks really good!     

Ken

Rich, it's been a pleasure;

Last shot of the struts, shissh,

a main-gear bracket:

and another, I hope that is it for scratch on this kit:

I over built the top layer, and it

is biased because Heller used it to support the upper wing

half and maintain the correct cross-section.  Heller's crappy part was thinner than my

smiling veneer.... so I beefed it up a bit:

What an entertaining day off!

I've just gone into the aircraft bracket business....lol

I might put these on an 'ITCHIN' FOR SCRATCH' post......

I actually started sanding an re-sculpting my F-4P wingset...lol

What ever it takes....

Scorpiomikey

I always seem to lose the glass on my builds.

Great work on the scratch. Looks better than the original.

Gosh, I don't even have carpets!!!

Glass? Losing Glass??? Where are my F-84F canopies!!?????....lol....

Thanks for the kind words, it isn't really work when you enjoy scratch!

Gamera

Thanks guys, I'll be better, as you said I just need a little time.

 I think I end up with at least one missing part in every build.

thanks for the compliment. The only thing i ever lost that I could not replace,

was my mind.....

I always seem to lose the glass on my builds.

Great work on the scratch. Looks better than the original.

Thanks guys, I'll be better, as you said I just need a little time.

Dom, really nice work there - I think I end up with at least one missing part in every build.

Thanks Guys:

Here's the door showing a tiny modification

to fit the fuselage a bit better, it could use a tiny bit of putty and sanding:

And the T strut from the main landing gear:

I could not get the camera to focus and no tripod, sorry for the fuzzy pics:

Yikes, couldn't get the light right, or get steady.

Any how, given the kit is ancient and has more tha a few little warps, the

scratch is within acceptable tolerences.

Rich, I know you are going to have even more fun than me with this kit.....

Dom

Dom did a great job on it.  This is a kit he's sending to me.  I asked him to see if he could fabricate a new door for the missing one because I don't have any tools or supplies to do that kind of work anymore.  Thanks again Dom.

Striker8241

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

I had a little problem with a missing part:

So i scratched a little:

The line is a little different because the original has a thicker bend radius:

but it is only a few thousands difference. Sanding the original a wee bit, and bending the scratch part a wee bit, and you will have to go looking to see the difference at 10 feet away.

Nice job Dom!  I would say after some paint it will be very hard to notice the difference!

Ken

Very nicely done, Dom! Is this your XB70 project?

Russ

Son Of Medicine Man

Bockscar

I had a little problem with a missing part:

So i scratched a little:

The line is a little different because the original has a thicker bend radius:

but it is only a few thousands difference. Sanding the original a wee bit, and bending the scratch part a wee bit, and you will have to go looking to see the difference at 10 feet away.

Nice job Dom!  I would say after some paint it will be very hard to notice the difference!

Ken

Very nicely done, Dom! Is this your XB70 project?

Russ

Bockscar

I had a little problem with a missing part:

So i scratched a little:

The line is a little different because the original has a thicker bend radius:

but it is only a few thousands difference. Sanding the original a wee bit, and bending the scratch part a wee bit, and you will have to go looking to see the difference at 10 feet away.

Nice job Dom!  I would say after some paint it will be very hard to notice the difference!

Ken