Fw 190 Butcher Bird 2013 (extended to June 2014) Group Build

Speaking of panels this is where I'm at with those. Still have to re-work the weathering on the inside of them but the outside is coming along. That air intake is two pieces and not along the seam either. The intake ring is a separate piece that still has a few gliches in it.

Nathan, thanks for the additional color info and the reference pics!

Joe, your stuff looks better in process than mine does after all done.

Clemens, from what I can see sliding the rear section of M151 in through the gear bay won't work. Hopefully this shot shows why....

I suppose you could install those rear sections (and kit parts J12 and J13 (if memory serves, the Eduard parts that attach to the gun bay rear bulkhead), then press the barrel ends in after the wing halves are joined. That'd scare me a little, might not bother you a bit.

Thats how you have to do it Greg/Clemens, if you don't want the barrels sticking out during the whole build. I usually use Master Barrels, and have to sandwich the rear part in between the wing halves, then attach the barrels at the end of the build.

Live and learn, Nathan. I really didn't want the barrels sticking out for the rest of the build. Too late now, but I'll know next time. :) BTW, these are brass barrels, with a paint job I'm not very happy with.

Heck I was just gonna comment how I liked the metallic drybrushing on them. Are these Master? The ones I use the barrel tip comes as a separate piece anyway.

Joe: Looking very nice!

Greg: Thanks for that pic! The paint job on your barrels looks great indeed!

Nathan: I was actually planning on glueing the barrel tips in at the end of the build, but my approach would've been way more tricky then what you suggested. Greg is using those 2 piece Master barrels BTW.

Hey Greg you could always mask em off the way I've done the last two Eduard builds with Master Models gun barrels. A little electrical wire heat shrink tube. Whan you're ready to take em off theres just a little touch up where the tubes meet the fuselage....................

 By the way.....your build looks great so far Greg!!

Just like the real bird in the war...........It came all too little, too late for the GB!!!

Nathan: Thanks for posting those reference pics of the bulkhead. I didn't know there were 190s with RLM66 in that area. Just out of curiosity: All the Pictures Show Doras, were there some A-models painted like that as well?

Joe: Using shrink tubing is a great idea! It would be great if you could build that Eduard kit as well. come on, we both know you want to do it...

Nathan and Clemens, I'm tickled pink that you like the paint job on the Master barrels! It is Vallejo Model Color Gun Metal Grey, thinned and sprayed. I thought the finish was too rough, but if you guys are good with it, I'm golden. :)

Thinking further on those two-piece Master barrels and Nathan's suggestion, I can now see it almost makes no sense not to do it as Nathan said.

Joe, would you believe I used heat shrink tubing on my last 190 gun barrels, then totally forgot and have been thinking of ways to mask these??? Yikes! Thanks for the reminder, buddy. And it is a great tip.

Very nice.

I'm noticing on mine when I put the lower wing section on(not glued all the way just partway because of this issue), that while it glue sup nice on one side it appears that the fuselage is narrower.  Now this wing section was a super pain in the rear to just get on there thanks to the parts sticking down, but during test fitting the issue never showed up  Of course at this point it's kind of too late, and I can't exactly putty it either, as the one side that is like this, I have the gun bay closed up on, and if I glue it up and try to sand down that thing sticking out of the fuse I'll mess it up.    Don't have the tools, time, patience, or the skills to do that kind of work yet.  Any idea's?  I suppose if I have to I can carefully break the glue joints after softening them, pull the wings off, and then spread the fuselage with some sprue.

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Nathan: Thanks for posting those reference pics of the bulkhead. I didn't know there were 190s with RLM66 in that area. Just out of curiosity: All the Pictures Show Doras, were there some A-models painted like that as well?

Thats the thing Clemens. Nothing late in war was for sure, so Late A-8s or A-9s might have been painted 66 in the firewall too, but maybe not. If I do come across a pic showing the firewall area looking really dark, I'll post it up. I literally have 100s of pics of late 190As, so I can't look through them all atm...

Would you mind sending me the folder with those pics (maybe as a .zip file)? I'd love to have some more reference pics without having to bother you for every single one.

Do you happen to have any diagrams or pics on how the SC250 bombs attach to the pylon on the 190s (or how SC500s are attached to larger aircraft)? I want to hang some of those 500kg beasts on my captured P-47 (what-if field modification), but to do so I have to know how they are held in place.

fantacmet:Hey Mike. Sorry about the delayed response. The only way I've seen folks avoiding the issue that you are talking about is to do what you are talking about and spread the fuselage with a piece of sprue on these Eduard kits. Eduards 190s have been known to be finicky but if persistence is your game then you will be rewarded in the end. These are superb kits for the money when they are finished! Lemme know how it works out for you.

I could possibly do that Clemens, they're not all organized, so it would take me awhile. I'll do some checking on the bomb racks too.

So now I gotta figure out exactly how to get the super tight wing section off, adfter it's been glued one side and down the backside.  HAHAHA

FYI I use Tamiya Extra Thin Cement.

Thanks Nathan!

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So now I gotta figure out exactly how to get the super tight wing section off, adfter it's been glued one side and down the backside.  HAHAHA

FYI I use Tamiya Extra Thin Cement.

Show us a pic of the troubled area, maybe there's another way, like filing the gap with sprue.

Thankfully I realize my "pocket knife" as it were(a Smith and Wesson Specs Ops folder), is beyond wickedly sharp, and far sharper then the sharpest exacto blades I have ever seen.  Soooooooooooooo, just the right thickness it was guided by the unglued portion and sliced the seam perfectly like a hot knife through butter.  I mean literally, I cut front to back in under 4 seconds.  Both sides of the fuselage together.  So I was able to get it apart, and I dropped in a bit that spread it out, just a few thousands wider then the same space in the wing.  I got it snugged in there and it's wonderful now.  Hopefully I can get some paint on this thing this weekend..  Unfortunately I snapped off and lost gun barrels in the process.  SIGH.  Time to see if I can get ahold of some more IV or syringe needles.  I was hoping to use just stuff from the box, but oh well.

Too bad re the gun barrels, but good job getting those glued parts apart. I didn't think you'd be able to, frankly. Glad everything lines up for you now.

Hello everyone sry I haven't bin on didn't mean to disappear seems like one electronic problem after another my build has bin done for awhile I'll have pics up on the weekend.

Being my first real build since the early 80s I did  what I remember. I have never did a pin wash and tryd 3 times on this build only worked on few panel lines.

NATHAN..... it's the blue 12 190d mine happens to be black 12 I was waiting to put the marks on the fuselage balkenruse/ crosses till I chatted with you didn't you say that there from rust my instruction say elm 75 ?

Looking back through the post it still amazes me how much info is in this GB not to mention the skill in the builds. My schedule allows me time to get back involved. :)

Hey BD, good to hear from you!

Hi   Greg I see you Edward kit is going nicely. What's the name of the company that you orderd your barrels from I mostly order from squadron and I notice the items you guys are using aren't available there ?

NATHAN.    Sry I wanted to say rlm 75

Good to see you back Bdog. Sorry I didn't quite understand your question. You wanna know what colors to use?

Blackdog it's good to see you in here again! Been wondering where you'd gotten off to!

Hey you guys. Well the build has been going spectacular ...........right up to this point. It seems in my nose module to airframe module assy the other day that ALOT  of glue/ epoxy "splashed" forward causing this mess( how I didn't catch this then I'll never know). I also have some blending/ weathering to do to make all of this whole firewall issue presentable.

I've been talking back and forth to Nathan T on this but it's hard to understand text only so these are the tools I'll use in removing this crap from the affected area.

At this point I've already got the stuff removed and it turned out at least decent. Will post pics in another couple of hours. I'm hoping this doesn't take me out of a show worthy model. You know how judges are! lol

Hello NATHAN yes that's my question. I think there called balkenruse the crosses on both sides the aircraft.  in the middle of them there are little squiggly lines. Now that I think about it you may of said they was red primmer my call out calls for RLM 75. And this is for fw-190D black 12 I think the info was from the after market decal kit that you used which explains it actually blue 12.

Heya Blackdog!! You sure can enter another one!! Upload your pics of your finished build here and I'll post them on the intro post.