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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:09 AM

what is SNJ?

Shrikes: Yes, there is a reason why I chose the signature that I did. Sanding and more sanding. I still haven't quite perfected it, as I have only been modelling "full-time" for a couple of years, but getting better.
At least my latest build, the F4-J Black Bunny, looks better than the rest.
Swanny's web-site has a technique for sanding that greatly redues the amount of effort needed.
http://swannysmodels.com/ that should get you to his hoime page. Check it out.
But don't sweat it, at the marks are on the bottom!! Big Smile [:D]

Liam

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shrikes

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November 2003
From: Manila, Philippines

Posted by shrikes on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 11:43 PM

Hey, fearlessgroupbuildleader Jim! Still having problems logging on? I've given up folowing the status of the log-on problem thing. Dave said he'd fix it, right? Oh, and Welcome aboard, Bones! I did an F-89 in my youth... and messed it up, as most 8 yearolds will do. Didn't realize back then that they carried nuclear rockets! Can't wait to see what you've done with it! Big Smile [:D]

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wibhi2

Member since
March 2003
From: Brooklyn

Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:28 PM

Jimz66 - I have heard that photo mount will work as a glue, but I have not tried that.
Microscale makes a foil adhesive which is a little thick for my tastes and at 2.50
for 1/2 a fluid oz. is a bit expensive. I found the same type of glue (it's called gold leaf adhesive size) at a local art store for $5.00 a pint. Cleans up with water or alcohol when wet, but you'll need mineral spirits if it's dried.

I used that with renolds wrap on a f-100 I finished a couple of months ago - didn't come out great but was a dang fine learning experience.

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Bones-coa

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April 2003
From: Savannah, GA USA

Posted by Bones-coa on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 9:54 PM

Ok, I'll come aboard. I think I can definatly finish this by October.

What's the rules here? No pics? As many as you want?

I just finished a Mig-19 with a NMF and now I'm starting Revell's OOP F-89J. I'm hoping Mike Grant will be able to create some markings for the 59th FIS out of Goose Bay, Labrador. My father was based there is the mid to late 50's and I'm doing this as a gift.

I know I'll be using SNJ as it worked well for the Mig. The Mig was my first NMF and while it wasn't perfect, I was happy with it.

Dana F On the bench: Tamiya DO335B-2 with LOTS of Aires stuff (On Hold) Trumpeter A-10 with LOTS and LOTS of aftermarket goodies! (On Hold) Tamiya 240ZG (In work)

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shrikes

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November 2003
From: Manila, Philippines

Posted by shrikes on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 7:25 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by yeehah12001
Each step progressively and gently smooths out the scratches, which is vital when trying to acheive a NMF finsh as scratches will show.

Ah, nuts. I just had a look at my sabre, where some of the heavy sanding was done, and there are a number of obvious scratches on the underside. My problem is that i'm all done with painting and i have no inclination to mask it off again. I hope this doesn't come out on the B-17 I'll be putting together for this GB. Smile [:)]

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jimz66

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December 2002
From: Winsted CT

Posted by jimz66 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 7:23 PM

What kind of glue do you need to use for that. I have a full roll of Reynolds wrap in my kitchen that I have never used. I think I bought it several years ago. Can I use any glue and do I need to do as much sanding?

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fightnjoe

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September 2011

Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 7:10 PM

not sure which i want to do. want to see the kit first. painting is easier but the foil has the potential to look better.

joe

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wibhi2

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March 2003
From: Brooklyn

Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:21 PM

Anyone going to try Aluminum Foil as a finish? or are you all gonna paint?

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 2:17 PM

Some related discussion here: http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16075

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 6:29 AM

02-03-04
Jimz: Not sure about the dust ( light wash under the tap?), but for the scratches, I'd recommend buying several grades of sandpaper/ wetand dry. Start at 800 grit (as you have already used 600 grit), then go to 1000, then 1200 and some ppl even recommend going a further step to the next grade. Each step progressively and gently smooths out the scratches, which is vital when trying to acheive a NMF finsh as scratches will show.

When finished sanding, check for any "deep" scars that might need filled and do so, repeat sanding when ready, then polish the model. I use Peek as it does all kinds of materials. Not sure wha tit might be called in your neck of the woods. Once that's done, you are ready to spray!!
Liam

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jimz66

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December 2002
From: Winsted CT

Posted by jimz66 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:41 AM

I tried the toothbrush with soap and water but it did not get all the grit out.

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wibhi2

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March 2003
From: Brooklyn

Posted by wibhi2 on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:16 PM

There's a couple of ways you can deal with the scratches - depending on your budget
(1) polish it with a plastic polish like novous (sp)
(2) Use ultra fine steel wool - sometimes I'll use 0000 (hardware store)
(3) In the cosemetics dept. you can find nail polish boards for high gloss finishes(one board will have 3 seperate polishing grits) - these are also great for polishing canopies before a future dip.
(4) In the automotive supply or jewelry supply you can usually find polishing papers upto 2k grit - or micro papers.

For really effective metal finishes you'll need to have a glass-arse smooth surface and virtually perfect seams (an area where I fail alot).

May I also suggest using a tooth brush under tap water to get the dust out of the seams.

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jimz66

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December 2002
From: Winsted CT

Posted by jimz66 on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 10:01 PM

OK guys I need some advice. I have built the F100D that I am working on for this GB. As I have never made a NMF aircraft before I need some pointers. First I rescribed all the lines and can't seam to get all the dust out. Second I sanded with 600 grit sandpaper and their is still a lot of scratches. What type of sandpaper can I use and what grit should I use and where can I get it when I can afford it? Thanks. In the meantime I am going to start painting the F-84 cockpit. The color wont be quite right but thats ok. Hope all is well. Take care and thanks for the interest in this GB.

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tigerman

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March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:52 PM

Actually it's Hasagawa's P-47D Bubbletop, one of my favorite planes. Hope I can join, this will give me some inspiration to build it. I might be able to talk another treadhead whom I know has one, into it too.

Eric

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fightnjoe

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September 2011

Posted by fightnjoe on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 6:49 PM

very nice pics all of you.

joe

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 5:33 PM

02-03-04
Sorry Guys, I have been trying to crack this nut for a couple of nights....how to post here from the ron george site! Finally, I cracked it!!

This isn't my NMF group-build effort, but just picked it to test the post. Will be picking up the F-84G Thunderjet on Saturday.
Liam
Cool [8D]

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obiwan

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May 2003
From: Malaysia

Posted by obiwan on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:19 AM

shrikes: lookin great ! what good start to the group build.

What baby wants baby gets

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wibhi2

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March 2003
From: Brooklyn

Posted by wibhi2 on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 9:25 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by shrikes

I used plain old Tamiya TS-17 Gloss Aluminium in the rattle can. I really didn't think it would come out so well! When you say tint and polish panels, i assume you mean to make it look something like this:
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This is from the aircraft resource center (the map and helmet were a nice touch!)...
I was thinking about doing that but didn't know how to go about it. Any suggestions? Off hand, i suppose i could mask off and polish certain panels with polishing compound. or maybe use thinned down Tamiya smoke...

Yes I did. You could use smoke as a tint - that would be interesting to see.

collectaire resin f-86d with snj and metallizer tints. The speed brake interior was a cast from the hasegawa f-86 sabre.

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usmcsm

Member since
September 2003
From: Yuma

Posted by usmcsm on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 8:25 AM

shrikes,
Looking real good! This build looks like a blast but I am up to my behind as it is so I guess I'll have to watch from the sidelines. I use the old Tamiya TS-17 alot. It has never failed me!

"Livin' and dyin' in 3/4 time..."

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shrikes

Member since
November 2003
From: Manila, Philippines

Posted by shrikes on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 12:24 AM

Welcome! No allegiance breaking needed here! Hmmm... you seem to favor radial engines. It's always nice to see a NMF Razorback, if you're still unsure what to build, my vote goes for the P-47!

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 12:05 AM

Hmmmm, I could break my allegance to the armor forum (I'm committed to three builds there) and pick either my Nakajima Ki-84 Frank or my P-47. The completion date is very friendly so I might commit. Be prepared for many questions from a rogue treadhead.

Eric

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fightnjoe

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September 2011

Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, March 1, 2004 8:54 PM

shrikes, looks good. constructive criticizm? of what? hope mine looks that good when i get that far.

joe

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shrikes

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From: Manila, Philippines

Posted by shrikes on Monday, March 1, 2004 8:33 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by wibhi2
Looks great so far.
What did you use for your NMF and are u gonna tint and polish panels?

I used plain old Tamiya TS-17 Gloss Aluminium in the rattle can. I really didn't think it would come out so well! When you say tint and polish panels, i assume you mean to make it look something like this:

This is from the aircraft resource center (the map and helmet were a nice touch!)...
I was thinking about doing that but didn't know how to go about it. Any suggestions? Off hand, i suppose i could mask off and polish certain panels with polishing compound. or maybe use thinned down Tamiya smoke...

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jimz66

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December 2002
From: Winsted CT

Posted by jimz66 on Monday, March 1, 2004 8:31 PM

I have the outside area of the F-100D already assembled. I forgot to put the lights in underneath but did not install the access panel for the machine guns, as plan to seal that area up so I could install them. I hope it will not be too difficult to fix but I have started to sand with wet sandpaper. I hope all is well. I have only recieved six emails so far. Keep them coming, as soon as this is resolved I will post them on the first page as I promised. I just can't get to my account right now.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 1, 2004 1:37 PM

Yes, I mean the -52 with SEA camo... and Big Belly mod scratchbuilt... I can see why I build things in the "teensy" scales! 1:144 B-58 and such...

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wibhi2

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March 2003
From: Brooklyn

Posted by wibhi2 on Monday, March 1, 2004 10:17 AM

Looks great so far.
What did you use for your NMF and are u gonna tint and polish panels?

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jimz66

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December 2002
From: Winsted CT

Posted by jimz66 on Monday, March 1, 2004 7:23 AM

Looks great Shriikes, looks absolutely great.

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shrikes

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November 2003
From: Manila, Philippines

Posted by shrikes on Monday, March 1, 2004 12:08 AM

Okay, I just peeled away the masking on my F-86F, and it's turned out rather well for my first NMF aircraft. Here are some pictures of the sabre awaiting final assembly and detailing. Constructive criticisim would be very much appreciated! Smile [:)]

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wibhi2

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March 2003
From: Brooklyn

Posted by wibhi2 on Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:41 PM

Okay, I've come to a decision. I'm gonna do Revell's 1/48 F89 D/J Scorpion. Not sure of the markings just yet.

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fightnjoe

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September 2011

Posted by fightnjoe on Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:01 PM

shrikes,
i can only come up with photos of the a/c as a whole. was trying to find something with photos of cockpit, bombadier area, and the bomb bay area. will keep looking i have a month before i get the kit. besides i have almost as much fun researching as i do building.

joe

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