Ju 87 Stuka GB

Now that's nice Tim. How was it to build. We have a couple of guys building the hase 48th B, which I guess is the same kit.

Well, if you feel like doing another Stuka this year, feel free to jump on board when ever you like.

11 more days

The only thing holding my sanity together is the P-47 from the 1944 group build. But the Stuka I'd screaming st me

I'm anxious to get started too, but I need to finish my LCVP first.  I can't focus if I'm working on more than one thing at a time.  Plus, I'm still waiting for my PE set to arrive.  It should be shipped any day now...I hope.

Same here. I wanted to start working on her quite while ago butt never had the time...

Bish

falconmod, to many GB's, not enough time, I know the feeling.

SS, me neither, I have a funny looking thing with a propeller at each end to do first

    Ooooo.  I have one of those too!  I've only got the resin exhausts on one side done and pretty much nothing else. 

Bish

Quick question guys, who is twiddiling their fingurs (or anything else for that matter ) waiting for this GB to start.

falconmod, to many GB's, not enough time, I know the feeling.

SS, me neither, I have a funny looking thing with a propeller at each end to do first

I won't be able to start right away either, but I'm really excited to see what all the other guys here post once it starts...

Me.  but then I can't find time for the other 3 GB's I'm in.  Ill never catch up!

Quick question guys, who is twiddiling their fingurs (or anything else for that matter ) waiting for this GB to start.

Bish

Joe, do you mean you have no photo's for those areas, or you have photo's but what should be there is missing.

I think I'll paint the interior "Polish Crimson", or "Pepto Bismol Pink".  Whatever... 

"But Herr Major..."

"No, anything but that Panzer Gray!  Do it!"

There's some good information being tossed around here.

I really like Gunze's RLM66 version. It's noticeably lighter than Tamiya's German Gray. I usually spray it on top of a black base coat to have some shading in all the recesses of the cockpit. The lighter shade actually makes the details on the model more visible instead of just turning the 'pit into a dark hole

Nathan T

Tamiya's German gray works great for RLM 66. I sometimes lighten it just a tad with white for the kicks and giggles. Even a bit of blue/violet could be added to it by the looks of some photos. God only knows what Tamiya meant it to be used for...

..And yes, any online color chip will not resemble the true color out of the bottle, not even close, so don't go by that.

Point well taken - I picked up a bottle at lunch today and it is definitely much lighter than that.

Tamiya's German gray works great for RLM 66. I sometimes lighten it just a tad with white for the kicks and giggles. Even a bit of blue/violet could be added to it by the looks of some photos. God only knows what Tamiya meant it to be used for...

..And yes, any online color chip will not resemble the true color out of the bottle, not even close, so don't go by that.

Raven728

Good stuff, Nathan. I looked at Tamiya's German Grey and wrote it off as being too dark, but after looking at those photos, I'm reconsidering:

It's funny, it wasn't all that long ago that I didn't consider myself the type of modeler to spend a lot of time researching or worrying about accurate paint colors.

Oh no  I work the hobby store tonight,  must resist!!! do not buy anything!!!

John

Bish

Its funny how Tamiyas German Grey and can used for both RLM 66 and Pz Grey. I wonder if the two have ever been compared.

It's interesting you say that, I noticed that the armor models that come up in the Google Image search for 'German Grey Tamiya' look much lighter in comparison to the swatch I posted.

Its funny how Tamiyas German Grey and can used for both RLM 66 and Pz Grey. I wonder if the two have ever been compared.

Good stuff, Nathan. I looked at Tamiya's German Grey and wrote it off as being too dark, but after looking at those photos, I'm reconsidering:

It's funny, it wasn't all that long ago that I didn't consider myself the type of modeler to spend a lot of time researching or worrying about accurate paint colors.

Thanks for posting that, Nathan.

Here's some cockpit photos of various luftwaffe aircraft to see just what 66 can look like:

Here's what I think is a B model Stuka in North Africa. Notice the lighter colored 02 firewall, and what looks to be a darker cockpit and headrest??:

Nathan, it does sound like a case of using what paint was to hand. This is one of the problems with this sort of thing. We have a record of various regulations saying this or that, but regulations are one thing, what happened out in the world is another.

Joe, do you mean you have no photo's for those areas, or you have photo's but what should be there is missing.

Thanks for the input there Nathan. What's interesting about all the pics that I do have is that none of them have the detail/ components shown for the R/H side of the pilots area right around the upper arm/ shoulder area where the base of the glass is for the cockpit as well as the L/H front corner of the cockpit where the IP is. Also missing are the areas in the RH  rear area of the cockpit at the gunners area. I should be able to have the pics that I do have posted by Friday so you can see what I'm saying. I have around 7 or 8 pics and although there is alot of detail displayed, there are also gaps in the photo coverage as well.

Bish, unfortunately I know of no standardization, except for the fact already mentioned that 66 appeared in basically every cockpit after '41. 

Nathan, thanks for that info, looks like swannies article might be a bit off. I was thinking the IP's should be RLM 66 throughout, the pics I have seen, though mainly B&W, do show a darker colour, but I was confused by the use of the term Grey rather than Black grey. Do you know if this earlier use of the 66 was in any way standardized, or could it have been a case of not having 02 to hand, and seeing as the IP's in 66, the rest was painted in that as well.

pilot, I use Xtracolour and that is very dark as well. The official term was black grey and the xtracolour does match the colour cards I have.

What are your opinions on RLM66 and paints? MM, Tamiya, and pollyscales (that I have used) are a bit too dark, almost a black. I think the real birds would have been slightly lighter, but maybe that would be wear or element induced? It's been a lingering question of mine for a while.

I'm planning on 66 for my Stuka pit.

Mustang- You are generally correct about 66 appearing in basically every German cockpit by Nov. '41. However, that is just a generalization. Junkers Aircraft were found to have rlm 66 cockpits as early as 1940. The proof is in the Ju88 A-1 that was brought up from a lake in Norway. (the one Revell used for ref. when they made the 1/32 Ju88).That cockpit was 100% 66. Also, Messerschmitt 110 Cs were found with all 66 cockpits as well during the Battle of Britain. It is very safe to assume that many "B" model Stukas had a cockpit painted in 66, not 02. Also, keep in mind, that the aircraft that did have a cockpit painted in 02, still had RLM 66 colored instrument panels and radio panels/circuit breaker panels. Just keep this info in mind as you study cockpit photos. 

mustang1989

Bish

That was it, so much going on its hard to keep track.

Hey Bish! I thought I was the only one that did that!lol

Not by a long shot. Have you ever posted progress pics in the wrong GB. Have you ever posted them in a GB your not even in.

In regards to the cockpit interiors, I do have the page on Swannies models site on German aircraft interiors. I think one of the main questions is the colour of the Instrument Panels. With late war aircraft, I think most of us paint those RLM 66.  From what the article say's, in early war RLM 02 pit's the panels were grey not grey green. It then goes onto say that when the switch was made to 66 the panels stayed the same grey.

So what I am confused about is if this grey is a third colour or is it 66 all the way through. RLM 66 is usually referred to as Black Grey and this applies to the article on Swannies site as well.